The question was, what is required to determine if a signature is valid? Are we not able to look people up by their voter ID provided and determine this? It sounds like we are waiting on the OK government to check this for us. I realize that in the end they WILL have to validate them. But again, is there not a way to do this in advance?<div><br></div><div>And it's frustrating that we can't have serious conversations about money in this group. My point was very clear. Often times there is not a benefit to paying people the minimum of what they will work for. While it might seem a better figure to start with, often it just means you pay more in the end. Seeing on how we were off by over 100% I merely asked if we had looked at that. </div><div><br></div><div>I don't expect anyone will raise much of a brow to us having estimated so poorly because after all, that's how it's always been done. But I thought I would just strike up the conversation piece in hopes that someone might take an interest in improving our situation. </div><div><br></div><div>Kevin <span></span><br><br>On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, Wes Benedict <<a href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<blockquote type="cite">3. 24,712 valid are required. The best
estimates I've heard for validity are 67%, which comes to 26,830.
But valid signatures is not a number that's knowable with
certainty, even with a theoretical unlimited resources. Our
validity checkers may make different judgements than the Oklahoma
elections officials in each county. We want plenty of extra
signatures to be safe. The LNC is not paying for more signatures,
but volunteer and local efforts continue. </blockquote>
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Also, some people read hand writing more carefully or less carefully
than others.<br>
See Ohio for a recent surprise issue that happened.<br>
See Maine for another recent surprise.<br>
Ken Moellman gave you lots of comments on the topic separately.<br>
The LNC Ballot Access Committee might like to give even more
reasons.<br>
See Alabama for a recent example (Paul Frankel can explain).<br>
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Kevin, separately you wrote how you thought we should be spending
more than $2.50 per signature. I'm sure the LP Oklahoma can arrange
that for any amounts you donate.<br>
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ability to know precisely how many verified signatures we have?<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I am absolutely certain that in Texas
I have access to all voter data from the state. I buy it
regularly. Given we are collecting the persons VoterID,
name, and address, surely we can verify for ourselves.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">What stops us from doing this and
what would it take to fix that? It seems awfully strange
that we guess and hope for the best.<br>
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