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    Kevin, the Oklahoma petition form does not have a space for voter
    ID, nor a space for date of birth. See attached example. The
    elections officials told us we were not supposed to write it on the
    forms even if we think we found it in a database.  That's
    significantly different from Texas. When you petition in Texas, most
    people do not fill out the blank for voter I.D., but having a
    legible date of birth blank (like in Texas if I remember correctly)
    certainly makes it easier to locate voters in a voter database. <br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lp.org/membership">http://lp.org/membership</a></pre>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/2016 8:52 PM, Kevin Ludlow
      wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAHSaL=Fa+iZ-kOFFj5pmjbx9EZMGoJ-UCg08+6XhBK9LuO1P2Q@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">The question was, what is required to determine if a
      signature is valid? Are we not able to look people up by their
      voter ID provided and determine this?  It sounds like we are
      waiting on the OK government to check this for us. I realize that
      in the end they WILL have to validate them. But again, is there
      not a way to do this in advance?
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      <div>And it's frustrating that we can't have serious conversations
        about money in this group. My point was very clear.  Often times
        there is not a benefit to paying people the minimum of what they
        will work for. While it might seem a better figure to start
        with, often it just means you pay more in the end. Seeing on how
        we were off by over 100% I merely asked if we had looked at
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      <div>I don't expect anyone will raise much of a brow to us having
        estimated so poorly because after all, that's how it's always
        been done. But I thought I would just strike up the conversation
        piece in hopes that someone might take an interest in improving
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        On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, Wes Benedict <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a></a>>
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> As said before:<br>
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            <blockquote type="cite">3. 24,712 valid are required. The
              best estimates I've heard for validity are 67%, which
              comes to 26,830. But valid signatures is not a number
              that's knowable with certainty, even with a theoretical
              unlimited resources. Our validity checkers may make
              different judgements than the Oklahoma elections officials
              in each county. We want plenty of extra signatures to be
              safe. The LNC is not paying for more signatures, but
              volunteer and local efforts continue. </blockquote>
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            Also, some people read hand writing more carefully or less
            carefully than others.<br>
            See Ohio for a recent surprise issue that happened.<br>
            See Maine for another recent surprise.<br>
            Ken Moellman gave you lots of comments on the topic
            separately.<br>
            The LNC Ballot Access Committee might like to give even more
            reasons.<br>
            See Alabama for a recent example (Paul Frankel can explain).<br>
            <br>
            Kevin, separately you wrote how you thought we should be
            spending more than $2.50 per signature. I'm sure the LP
            Oklahoma can arrange that for any amounts you donate.<br>
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            <pre cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wes.benedict@lp.org');" target="_blank">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://facebook.com/libertarians" target="_blank">facebook.com/libertarians</a> @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lp.org/membership" target="_blank">http://lp.org/membership</a></pre>
            <div>On 1/27/2016 7:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Could somebody explain to me why we do not
                have the ability to know precisely how many verified
                signatures we have?<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_extra">I am absolutely certain that
                    in Texas I have access to all voter data from the
                    state.  I buy it regularly.  Given we are collecting
                    the persons VoterID, name, and address, surely we
                    can verify for ourselves.<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_extra">What stops us from doing this
                    and what would it take to fix that?  It seems
                    awfully strange that we guess and hope for the best.<br>
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