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Kevin, the Oklahoma petition form does not have a space for voter
ID, nor a space for date of birth. See attached example. The
elections officials told us we were not supposed to write it on the
forms even if we think we found it in a database. That's
significantly different from Texas. When you petition in Texas, most
people do not fill out the blank for voter I.D., but having a
legible date of birth blank (like in Texas if I remember correctly)
certainly makes it easier to locate voters in a voter database. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/27/2016 8:52 PM, Kevin Ludlow
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type="cite">The question was, what is required to determine if a
signature is valid? Are we not able to look people up by their
voter ID provided and determine this? It sounds like we are
waiting on the OK government to check this for us. I realize that
in the end they WILL have to validate them. But again, is there
not a way to do this in advance?
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<div>And it's frustrating that we can't have serious conversations
about money in this group. My point was very clear. Often times
there is not a benefit to paying people the minimum of what they
will work for. While it might seem a better figure to start
with, often it just means you pay more in the end. Seeing on how
we were off by over 100% I merely asked if we had looked at
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<div>I don't expect anyone will raise much of a brow to us having
estimated so poorly because after all, that's how it's always
been done. But I thought I would just strike up the conversation
piece in hopes that someone might take an interest in improving
our situation. </div>
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On Wednesday, January 27, 2016, Wes Benedict <<a
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> As said before:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">3. 24,712 valid are required. The
best estimates I've heard for validity are 67%, which
comes to 26,830. But valid signatures is not a number
that's knowable with certainty, even with a theoretical
unlimited resources. Our validity checkers may make
different judgements than the Oklahoma elections officials
in each county. We want plenty of extra signatures to be
safe. The LNC is not paying for more signatures, but
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Also, some people read hand writing more carefully or less
carefully than others.<br>
See Ohio for a recent surprise issue that happened.<br>
See Maine for another recent surprise.<br>
Ken Moellman gave you lots of comments on the topic
separately.<br>
The LNC Ballot Access Committee might like to give even more
reasons.<br>
See Alabama for a recent example (Paul Frankel can explain).<br>
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Kevin, separately you wrote how you thought we should be
spending more than $2.50 per signature. I'm sure the LP
Oklahoma can arrange that for any amounts you donate.<br>
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<div>On 1/27/2016 7:19 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Could somebody explain to me why we do not
have the ability to know precisely how many verified
signatures we have?<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">I am absolutely certain that
in Texas I have access to all voter data from the
state. I buy it regularly. Given we are collecting
the persons VoterID, name, and address, surely we
can verify for ourselves.<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">What stops us from doing this
and what would it take to fix that? It seems
awfully strange that we guess and hope for the best.<br>
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