<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>Thanks for weighing in, Brett and Nick.<br><br></div>Brett,<br><br></div>Your points are well-taken. I also don't know what our current coffers hold. <u><b>Could you possibly weigh in on that Mr. Hagan?</b></u><br><br></div>I would also add that we were pretty quick to find $100k for our ballot access drives. I remain a little puzzled at how we can come up with 5 times the budget I'm requesting to secure ballot access for a single state, but not come up with the $20k to create something that would be viewed by people from all 50 states (and the world).<br><br></div>Point being that surely we could come up with the money if we really wanted to.<br><br></div>Nick,<br><br></div>That would be fine. I would propose a super aggressive timeline. This group has a tendency to talk about things 'til kingdom come. It's not really that complicated to get this sort of thing started. The work is difficult and we DO need to find a great firm to really make it worthwhile, but such firms exist all over the place and I certainly have connections to more than a handful.<br><br></div>-Kevin<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 2:44 PM, Nicholas Sarwark <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chair@lp.org" target="_blank">chair@lp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I'm open to a redesign, as long as we have a clear sense of what our<br>
requirements are and an open process for soliciting bids to do the<br>
work.<br>
<br>
That doesn't need to be a long or complicated process, but it does<br>
need to be an open one.<br>
<br>
-Nick<br>
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On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 1:29 PM, Brett Bittner <<a href="mailto:brett@brettbittner.com">brett@brettbittner.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Kevin,<br>
><br>
> I appreciate your initiative in driving this topic, and I agree<br>
> wholeheartedly that the site needs more than a facelift. It needs a complete<br>
> re-design. I had a similar design (done by the same firm that built the<br>
> bones of what we're using today at LP.org about the same time) when I was<br>
> the Executive Director in Georgia, and that site transitioned to a better,<br>
> more engaging, and easier to use tool for LP Georgia in 2013. <--- That's<br>
> three years ago.<br>
><br>
> Whether we use NationBuilder or another Content Management System (CMS), I<br>
> think our investment in getting a quality product is worth it. It's not like<br>
> we're building a website for mom's knitting hobby here. We need something<br>
> that is professional in appearance and can offer the functionality necessary<br>
> to make the connections with staff, CRM, and users more efficient.<br>
><br>
> My only concern is our cash flow position. I hope that the "Sky is falling"<br>
> rhetoric I've seen regarding it is just that. If not, we may need to examine<br>
> our priorities with regard to how the money we have on hand and expect to<br>
> bring in is spent. I only bring this up because I've seen the Chicken<br>
> Littles scurrying about with the information, yet I've not had the<br>
> opportunity to discuss with Tim the financial picture and questions that I<br>
> have. I intend to in Phoenix.<br>
><br>
> Thank you for taking the lead here, and I look forward to the end result.<br>
><br>
> Brett C. Bittner<br>
><br>
> <a href="mailto:brett@brettbittner.com">brett@brettbittner.com</a><br>
> <a href="tel:404.492.6524" value="+14044926524">404.492.6524</a><br>
><br>
> "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty<br>
> than those attending too small a degree of it." -- Thomas Jefferson<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 2:49 PM, Kevin Ludlow <<a href="mailto:ludlow@gmail.com">ludlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Scott,<br>
>><br>
>> No. I have gone out of my way to try and minimize the cost as best I can.<br>
>> For an organization like ours to spend only $20,000 on a website is already<br>
>> beyond ridiculous. Did I not mention that local theater company I work with<br>
>> that I pointed you to spent $15,000 on theirs. They put on occasional<br>
>> avant-garde shows; we nominate the president of the united states. I guess<br>
>> it's about the same thing.<br>
>><br>
>> Frankly, I'm a little insulted that I gave a detailed reality about the<br>
>> cost of this kind of work, have heard nothing back, and now the request is<br>
>> "how do we get equal value for lower cost?". We don't. I provided<br>
>> real-world numbers. I wouldn't be able to pay my newest 24 year old<br>
>> employee over $100k/annually if this work didn't cost a lot. It costs a lot<br>
>> because there is a great deal of work that goes into doing it right. Maybe<br>
>> you could point me to a place where I can get an x-ray taken for a grand<br>
>> total of $10.<br>
>><br>
>> When you do it on the cheap, it looks like it's done on the cheap. It<br>
>> misses the point of having it done in the first place. I guess it would at<br>
>> least be consistent, but I was really hoping our group wanted to change the<br>
>> glaring hole.<br>
>><br>
>> On that note though, if the pulse on the group is just to do it cheaper<br>
>> than it would really help me out if people would just say that. I'm putting<br>
>> in time making calls, ensuring that I have firms lined up, ensuring they<br>
>> have designers ready to go, etc. I would really prefer not to spend my time<br>
>> doing all of that if the effort is just to do it cheaper or not at all.<br>
>><br>
>> -Kevin<br>
>><br>
>> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Scott L. <<a href="mailto:scott73@earthlink.net">scott73@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> I would like to know if NationBuilder has "in-house" designers that could<br>
>>> design an equal quality web site at a lower cost.<br>
>>><br>
>>> In other words - would having NB or "NB approved" designers make the<br>
>>> interfacing between the web site and NB easier and/or less expensive?<br>
>>><br>
>>> Scott Lieberman<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>> From: Kevin Ludlow<br>
>>> Sent: Feb 18, 2016 10:11 AM<br>
>>> To: lnc-business<br>
>>> Subject: [Lnc-business] website motion<br>
>>><br>
>>> All:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I've only heard back from 2 people with respect to me putting the website<br>
>>> redesign into high gear. It would be a combination of getting a proper<br>
>>> design from a high-end design firm and then having it implemented into NB by<br>
>>> the NB team.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Could everyone give me an idea of where they sit with this idea in<br>
>>> general. Are there concerns? Are there impasses I'm unaware of? Do we<br>
>>> just not think the website needs an overhaul? Does it require more<br>
>>> discussion?<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Kevin Ludlow<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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