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<p>Staff can get pads printed in advance next time. They are
reasonably inexpensive and may come to about 10 cents per sheet.
We can make them look nice and official. A project for next year
(working with the Secretary). Can do different colors for each
election or at least put a different title at the top. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2016 9:41 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I see, didn't think of that. I agree, but wouldn't
have purchased them prior to this convention, since we didn't
know if we'd adopt the bylaw change to require balloted voting
within delegations. For the future, I think that would be good.</div>
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<div>Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:37 AM, Caryn
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<div dir="ltr">Joshua, having pads of paper that are title
with voting etc and pre-printed are an expense but are
WAY more professional. Yes things would still need to be
handwritten in but having a tablet with some pre-printing
on it lends gravitas and feels personal to the delegate.<span
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">In Liberty,</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px">Caryn Ann Harlos</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px">Region 1 Representative </div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px">(Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)</div>
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AM, Joshua Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com"
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<div dir="ltr">I favor approval voting for
at-large and JC. It is open to strategic voting
- as are all methods of voting. Delegation were
provided with index cards; if a state decided to
use torn up scraps of paper, that is their
decision. You might say an index card isn't
professional either - well, it's more
professional, and it just isn't practical to
print up in the neighborhood of 1,000 ballots
immediately after nominations.
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<div>I agree that it would be far superior to
use electronic voting. </div>
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<div>Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L
in R seat)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 2, 2016
at 9:24 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com"
target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">It wouldn't be the first
time I was unusual, and this could be
in part because I am exposed to a lot
of Frank Atwood and his advocacy of
approval voting.
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<div>The "don't understand it" is our
fault. I think the "too easy to
game it" falls under the don't
understand it part and the fact that
most of the delegates were voting on
torn up scraps of paper that don't
inspire confidence in the system.
Whether it would make a difference
or not is another matter, but
perception of professionalism goes a
long way. I really do not
understand how we don't have
something better than that.... but
that is another conversation.</div>
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<div>The ridiculous time to tabulate
is true. And needs to be improved
through modernizing. I know this
has been soundly rejected by
delegates before, but geez louise we
are dinosaurs in this.</div>
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<div>Yes, an issue for Bylaws to
consider, and I don't envy them
selling any of it to the delegates.</div>
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<div>But yes, I do defend approval
voting and ranked choice. Both of
them are monstrously difficult to do
manually, and trivially easy if we
were modernized.</div>
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<div style="font-size:12.8px">In
Liberty,</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px">Caryn
Ann Harlos</div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px">Region
1 Representative </div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px">(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming,
Washington)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu,
Jun 2, 2016 at 7:11 AM, Ken
Moellman <span dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:ken.moellman@lpky.org"
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<p>Everyone I've talked to
about Approval Voting
since the convention has
been quite negative on
it. You're literally the
first person to defend it,
Caryn. :)</p>
<p>Somewhere between the
"don't understand it" and
"too easy to game it", and
compounded with
"ridiculous time to
tabulate", Approval Voting
is not a good methodology.
</p>
<p>I'd personally recommend
using IRV for all
non-presidential/vp
votes. One round, and we
can get on with it. And
the committee gets filled
in appropriately. LPKY
does this and it works
like a champ.</p>
<p>It's an issue for the
Bylaws Committee to
consider, anyway.</p>
<div>---<br>
<p>Ken C. Moellman, Jr.<br>
LNC Region 3 Alternate
Representative<br>
LPKY Judicial Committee
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<p>On 2016-06-02 08:28,
Caryn Ann Harlos
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<div dir="ltr">Ken, I
believe the voting
technology and means
we use are the
problem, not
approval voting
itself. I think
most members would
be positively
riotous against the
removal of approval
voting, but the
means by which we do
it can certainly be
improved.
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<div
style="font-size:12.8px">In
Liberty,</div>
<div
style="font-size:12.8px">Caryn
Ann Harlos</div>
<div
style="font-size:12.8px">Region
1
Representative </div>
<div
style="font-size:12.8px">(Alaska,
Arizona,
Colorado,
Hawaii, Kansas,
Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington)</div>
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class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Jun 2,
2016 at 5:12
AM, Ken
Moellman <span><<a
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<p>Alicia,</p>
<p>I
understand
that you have
a ridiculous
amount of work
to do. As
long as it's
on the agenda
to get
published, I
think people
will be fine.</p>
<p>I'd like to
explore a
secure
mechanism to
increase
voting
efficiency -
both the
voting and the
tallying. </p>
<p>I'd also
like to see
the death of
Approval
Voting.
Blech.</p>
<div>---<br>
<p>Ken C.
Moellman, Jr.<br>
Libertarian
National
Committee<br>
Region 3
Alternate
Representative<br>
Ballot Access
Committee</p>
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<p>On
2016-06-02
01:45, Alicia
Mattson wrote:</p>
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<div>Ken,<br>
<br>
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Our standard
operating
procedure is
that
alternates
freely comment
on our email
list.<br>
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I know your
requests are
well intended,
but please
keep in mind
that my
post-convention
to-do list is
extremely
long. It
includes, but
is not limited
to:<br>
<ul>
<li>producing
minutes for 2
LNC meetings</li>
<li>producing
minutes for an
EC meeting</li>
<li>generating
nomination
certificates
for SOS
offices to
place our
presidential
ticket on the
ballot in
states where
we already
have ballot
access</li>
<li>updating
the bylaws</li>
<li>updating
the platform</li>
<li>generating
various data
sets and
articles for
LPNews, media
inquiries,
etc.</li>
<li>producing
minutes for
the convention
which
conducted
quite a bit of
business while
I was
tabulating
election
results, so I
have my
records, an
assistant's
records, and a
pile of slips
of paper that
were submitted
that contain
some of those
motions, and a
bunch of other
ideas for
motions that
were never
made</li>
<li>my email
inbox is full
of lots of
requests that
I won't get to
immediately</li>
</ul>
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When the
convention
minutes are
produced, it
will contain
state-by-state
breakdowns of
each of the
elections.
That info will
be shared, but
it just cannot
be at the top
of my priority
list at the
moment.<br>
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-Alicia<br>
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Wed, Jun 1,
2016 at 7:47
PM, Ken
Moellman <span><<a
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<p>I have had
2 of the 4
chairs in
Region 3 ask
about seeing
state totals
and possibly
even having
the state
ballots
scanned in for
Treasurer,
At-Large, and
Judicial
Committee,
since these
were skipped
over due to
time
constraints
and thus there
was no ability
to contest any
results.</p>
<p>I don't
know if it's
proper for me
to speak on
this list as
an Alternate.
I reached out
to Brett but
he was busy
today. And
since the
issue came up,
I thought I'd
mention it,
since it's
topical.</p>
<div>---<br>
<p>Ken
Moellman <br>
Libertarian
Party of
Kentucky <br>
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<p>On
2016-06-01
21:24, Sam
Goldstein
wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Many
members are
asking about
the JC
results. Can
someone please
<div>post them
here for
distribution?</div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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<div>Libertarian
National
Committee</div>
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Large</div>
<div>8925 N
Meridian St,
Ste 101</div>
<div>Indianapolis
IN 46260</div>
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