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<br>From: "Carol Moore 4liberty@carolmoore.net [GrassrootsLibertarians]" <grassrootslibertarians@yahoogroups.com>
<br>Sent: Jun 3, 2016 3:27 PM
<br>To: GrassrootsLibertarians@yahoogroups.com
<br>Cc: lnc-business@hq.lp.org
<br>Subject: Re: [GrassrootsLibertarians] Re: [lpradicals] Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Fwd: Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies

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    </p><p>Obviously the bylaws need changing.  If there should be some
      important decision where the judiciary committee must make an
      important decision, any member might challenge it on the basis of
      its being vs. the bylaws. Including a person who might need a
      judiciary committee spanking.</p>
    <p>I feel like doing a straw poll of those names and seeing if there
      is someone most people actively disapprove of.   I know I think
      one is great and another is questionable. So wonder what others
      would think. <br>
    </p>
    <p>It might also help to encourage LNC to have a deadline for
      running for office. Not a deadline for being nominated, but a
      deadline for being listed in a handout sheet, preferably something
      that goes in the delegate package, with a short bio. This would
      make candidates think more seriously about running in advance and
      give delegates who chose to study the list a chance to look at
      qualifications. It wouldn't just be based on a chance meeting with
      a prospective member, a recommendation from a seat mate, or what
      name sounded coolest to you - or whatever.</p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/3/2016 2:37 PM, Letitia Pepper
      <a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:letitiapepper@yahoo.com">letitiapepper@yahoo.com</a> [GrassrootsLibertarians] wrote:<br>
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            <div>I support Starchild's analysis of this problem.  All
              efforts must be made to prevent disenfranchising members.<br>
              <br>
              Sent from my iPhone</div>
            <div><br>
              On Jun 3, 2016, at 8:20 AM, <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>
              [lpradicals] <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:lpradicals@yahoogroups.com">lpradicals@yahoogroups.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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                      0);font-family: arial, sans-serif;"><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;">      </span>This
                      approach of committees filling their own vacancies
                      without regard to convention delegates'
                      preferences on the grounds that only a minority of
                      candidates for those vacancies received the
                      affirmative approval of a majority of delegates
                      seems ill-advised to me. Failing to receive such
                      approval is clearly not the same thing as
                      receiving the delegates' active <i>disapproval</i>.
                      Nor is there any guarantee that subsequently
                      appointed members of a committee would have
                      received majority approval at convention. It is
                      possible that one or more individuals appointed in
                      this case would have received a lower approval
                      percentage than the four next highest vote-getters
                      at the convention had they chosen to actively run
                      for seats on the Judicial Committee. 
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                      <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;">       </span><b>We
                          seem to have a situation in which a majority
                          of the candidates for office receiving the
                          most votes at convention are routinely <i>not</i>
                          meeting the 50% threshold required by
                          "approval voting". Thus if the method employed
                          by the remaining members of the Judicial
                          Committee in proposing to fill the vacancies
                          were to become standard practice, the result
                          could be a significant disenfranchisement our
                          membership</b>. it raises the prospect that an
                        individual could have a better chance of getting
                        onto a committee by privately expressing his or
                        her interest in serving to the existing
                        committee members, than by actually running for
                        the position and seeking the approval of
                        convention delegates. I do not think LP members
                        anticipated or desired such an outcome when they
                        were convinced to adopt approval voting.
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre;">     </span>I
                          therefore urge the members of the Judicial
                          Committee to reconsider this decision, and
                          appoint the next four highest vote-getters to
                          the four seats in question, as the LNC did in
                          filling the majority of its vacancies which
                          were similarly unfilled as a result of
                          m Indeed ost of the delegates' choices not
                          receiving more than 50% of the vote. My
                          recommendation is not based on any political
                          favoritism toward those individuals – with
                          whose identities I am in any case not
                          acquainted – or any animus toward Michael
                          Badnarik, John Buttrick, Bill Hall, and Rob
                          Latham, all of whom strike me as sound and
                          well-qualified choices. I write strictly from
                          the point of view of upholding bottom-up,
                          grassroots governance in the Libertarian
                          Party.</div>
                        <div><br>
                        </div>
                        <div>Love & Liberty,</div>
                        <div>                            ((( starchild
                          )))</div>
                        <div>At-Large Representative, Libertarian
                          National Committee</div>
                        <div>                          (415) 625-FREE<br>
                          <br>
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                            black;">-----Original Message-----
                            <br>
                            From: <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:lnc-votes@hq.lp.org">lnc-votes@hq.lp.org</a>
                            <br>
                            Sent: Jun 3, 2016 8:41 AM
                            <br>
                            To: <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>
                            <br>
                            Subject: Re: [Lnc-votes] [Lnc-business] Fwd:
                            Remaining Members of Judicial Committee Fill
                            Vacancies
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                              <div>I have been asked by a member in my
                                region to inquire:</div>
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                              Can someone verify eligibility for the
                              three elected and 4 appointed members?
                              Specifically, can the " All Judicial
                              Committee members shall have
                              been Party members at least four years at
                              the time of their selection." portion?
                              <div><br>
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                              <div>Thanks,</div>
                            </div>
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                              <div>
                                <div class="gmail_signature" data="gmail_signature">Brett C.
                                  Bittner
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                                  </div>
                                  <div><a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:brett@brettbittner.com">brett@brettbittner.com</a></div>
                                  <div>404.492.6524</div>
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                                    </div>
                                    <div>"I would rather be exposed to
                                      the inconveniences attending too
                                      much liberty than those attending
                                      too small a degree of it." --
                                      Thomas Jefferson</div>
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                              <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 3,
                                2016 at 12:20 AM, Alicia Mattson <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:secretary@lp.org"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:secretary@lp.org">secretary@lp.org</a>></span>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">
                                    <div>Forwarding a message by
                                      request.<br>
                                    </div>
                                    <br>
                                    -Alicia<br>
                                    <div>
                                      <div><br>
                                        <br>
                                        <div class="gmail_quote">----------
                                          Forwarded message ----------<br>
                                          From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Gary
                                            Johnson</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:sedition@aol.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:sedition@aol.com">sedition@aol.com</a>></span><br>
                                          Date: Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 9:03
                                          PM<br>
                                          Subject: Remaining Members of
                                          Judicial Committee Fill
                                          Vacancies<br>
                                          To: <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:secretary@lp.org">secretary@lp.org</a>,
                                          <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:AliciaDearn@bellatrixlaw.com">AliciaDearn@bellatrixlaw.com</a>,
                                          <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:chuck@moulton.org">chuck@moulton.org</a>,
                                          <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:scholar@constitutionpreservation.org">scholar@constitutionpreservation.org</a>,
                                          <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:jabuttrick@gmail.com">jabuttrick@gmail.com</a>,
                                          <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:whall@wnj.com">whall@wnj.com</a>,
                                          <a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:rob@roblatham.pro">rob@roblatham.pro</a><br>
                                          Cc: Rebecca Sink-Burris <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:rebecca.sinkburris@gmail.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rebecca.sinkburris@gmail.com">rebecca.sinkburris@gmail.com</a>>,
                                          Roger Roots <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:rogerroots@msn.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:rogerroots@msn.com">rogerroots@msn.com</a>>,
                                          Michael Dixon <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:dixonconsultinginc@gmail.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:dixonconsultinginc@gmail.com">dixonconsultinginc@gmail.com</a>>,
                                          M Carling <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:mcarling@gmail.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mcarling@gmail.com">mcarling@gmail.com</a>>,
                                          John Bowers <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:bojo3191@aol.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bojo3191@aol.com">bojo3191@aol.com</a>>,
                                          Michael Kielsky <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:Michael@krazlaw.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Michael@krazlaw.com">Michael@krazlaw.com</a>>,
                                          mikeljane <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:mikeljane@gmail.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mikeljane@gmail.com">mikeljane@gmail.com</a>>,
                                          steven r Linnabary <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:linnabary51@gmail.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:linnabary51@gmail.com">linnabary51@gmail.com</a>>,
                                          Robert Jim Fulner <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:jim.fulner@member.fsf.org"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jim.fulner@member.fsf.org">jim.fulner@member.fsf.org</a>>,
                                          "Christopher R. Maden" <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:crism@maden.org"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:crism@maden.org">crism@maden.org</a>>,
                                          Jeffrey Mortenson <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:jwmort@yahoo.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jwmort@yahoo.com">jwmort@yahoo.com</a>>,
                                          Thomas Robert Stevens <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:drtomstevens@aol.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:drtomstevens@aol.com">drtomstevens@aol.com</a>>,
                                          Tom Lippman <<a target="_blank" moz="true" href="mailto:tnlippman@juno.com"></a><a target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tnlippman@juno.com">tnlippman@juno.com</a>><br>
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                                                  <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                      Alicia Mattson,</font></div>
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                                                  <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                      post this message
                                                      online on the LNC
                                                      Business list:</font></div>
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                                                  <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                      Judicial Committee
                                                      is supposed to
                                                      have seven
                                                      members. Only
                                                      three received a
                                                      majority in the
                                                      approval voting
                                                      process at the
                                                      2016 national
                                                      convention.</font></div>
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                                                  <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                      three members of
                                                      the Judicial
                                                      Committee elected
                                                      by the delegates,
                                                      Alicia Dearn, Gary
                                                      Johnson of Texas,
                                                      and Chuck Moulton,
                                                      have communicated
                                                      by email.</font></div>
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                                                  <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                      have ruled
                                                      unanimously that,
                                                      as the "remaining
                                                      members" of the
                                                      committee, we have
                                                      the authority to
                                                      fill vacancies,
                                                      although we are
                                                      less than the
                                                      quorum of five
                                                      specified in the
                                                      bylaws.</font></div>
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                                                  <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                      have decided
                                                      informally to
                                                      reject, by 1 to 2,
                                                      the idea of
                                                      filling the
                                                      vacancies with the
                                                      next four vote
                                                      getters.</font></div>
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                                                  <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                      have decided
                                                      unanimously to
                                                      fill the vacancies
                                                      with four
                                                      individuals who
                                                      were not nominated
                                                      at the convention
                                                      and therefore were
                                                      not "disapproved"
                                                      of by a majority
                                                      of the delegates
                                                      in the approval
                                                      voting process.</font></div>
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                                                  <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                      have voted
                                                      unanimously by
                                                      email ballot to
                                                      fill the vacancies
                                                      with Michael
                                                      Badnarik, John
                                                      Buttrick, Bill
                                                      Hall, and Rob
                                                      Latham.</font></div>
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                                                  <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                      Dearn</font></div>
                                                  <span><font color="#888888">
                                                      <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                          Johnson </font></div>
                                                      <div><font face="Arial,
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                                                          Moulton</font></div>
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