<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I strongly share Caryn's concern about this issue. Having multiple LNC lists, whether they are used or not, seems to be generating confusion and interfering with transparency. It is often not clear what is going on. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>For instance, I received Robert's message below <b><i>twice</i></b> – apparently because he copied it to both <b><a href="mailto:lnc-business@lp.org">lnc-business@lp.org</a></b> and <b><a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a></b>. I do not understand the difference between those two lists, or why both of them exist. Do they both forward to the public reflector list, or does only one of them get forwarded? (I've copied both lists on this email, so perhaps someone reading on the reflector list can say whether you receive the message once or twice).</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>This kind of confusing system seems entirely unnecessary, and if Caryn is right about some messages not showing up publicly, it is actively <b>harmful</b> – if there's something I'm missing, Robert or someone please explain in full detail. As things stand, I believe we should adopt one of the two following approaches:</div><div><br></div><div>(1) We maintain one and only one list for communication among LNC members, and scrap all other non-public lists entirely. Then it should be a simple matter to ensure that those other lists are not inadvertently used and that everything which appears on the sole LNC list gets forwarded to the public reflector list. </div><div><br></div><div>(2) We have everyone (LNC members and non-LNC members) subscribed to the <b><i>same</i></b> list, but with only LNC members having posting privileges. Then there would never be any question of whether all the messages on our list are properly making it to the public list, since they would not need to be forwarded at all.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I favor option #2 as being the best, if it is technically feasible, but option #1 could also go a long way toward resolving these issues. </div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Can we get one of these approaches implemented ASAP without passing a formal motion about it?</div><div><br></div><div>Love & Liberty,</div><div><br></div><div> ((( starchild )))</div><div>At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee (2016-2018)</div><div> <a href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net">RealReform@earthlink.net</a></div><div> (415) 625-FREE</div><div> </div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Jun 13, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Robert Kraus wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div class="Section1"><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">As Alicia pointed out the other day - please
note there is only one list <a href="mailto:lnc-business@lp.org">lnc-business@lp.org</a>
for LNC Business thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Live Free!</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"><o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="1" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><em><b><i><font size="6" color="navy" face="Freestyle Script"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Freestyle Script";
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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Caryn Ann Harlos
[mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 13, 2016 3:48
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Robert Kraus<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> Wes Benedict; <st1:personname w:st="on"><a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a></st1:personname><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: Not all of the LNC
emails are appearing on the LNC reflector list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">Okay someone on FB might have figured it out. Are there
"two" lists" LNC-Votes and LNC-Business and the google one
only is if you reply to LNC-Votes? <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">I can show you messages of mine which are days old which **do not**
appear on the google list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">The list on <a href="http://lp.org/" target="_blank">lp.org</a> is
complete. The list on the google groups (which is what members are
following) is not. There are emails that appear in one list and not the
other. This is an issue.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:
12.0pt">On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Robert Kraus <<a href="mailto:robert.kraus@lp.org" target="_blank">robert.kraus@lp.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:navy">I am not sure what list you are referring to however everything
posted to LNC-Business is available here: <a href="http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/date.html" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/date.html</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:navy"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:navy">And also via Google Group here: <a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lncvotes" target="_blank">https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lncvotes</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
color:navy">Live Free!</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"></span></font><o:p></o:p></p><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="1" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><em><b><i><font size="6" color="navy" face="Freestyle Script"><span style="font-size:24.0pt;font-family:"Freestyle Script";
color:navy;font-weight:bold">Robert</span></font></i></b></em><b><i><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;
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</span></font></i></b><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Robert S. Kraus - Dir
of Operations<br>
<a href="mailto:Operations@LP.org">Operations@LP.org</a><br>
Libertarian National Committee<br>
Ph: <a href="tel:202.333.0008%20x%20231" target="_blank" value="+12023330008">202.333.0008
x 231</a></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Join
today: <a href="https://www.lp.org/membership" target="_blank"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">https://www.lp.org/membership</span></font></a></span></font><o:p></o:p></div><div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><font size="2" color="navy" face="Verdana"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">LP
FB Page: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/libertarians" target="_blank"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman"">https://www.facebook.com/libertarians</span></font></a>
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width="100%" align=center tabindex=-1> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:
bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Caryn Ann Harlos [mailto:<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>]
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<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 13, 2016 3:34
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Robert Kraus; Wes Benedict; <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Not all of the LNC emails
are appearing on the LNC reflector list</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">There are large
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">"</span></font><font size="4"><span style="font-size:13.0pt">Fwd: Remaining Members
of Judicial Committee Fill Vacancies" that are missing
from the LNC reflector. I have my email copy of the thread and it is not
complete on the reflector.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="4" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:13.0pt">If the members are
going to be viewing this, it needs to be complete.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Caryn Ann Harlos</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><font size="2" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">(<st1:state w:st="on">Alaska</st1:state>,
<st1:state w:st="on">Arizona</st1:state>, <st1:state w:st="on">Colorado</st1:state>,
<st1:state w:st="on">Hawaii</st1:state>, <st1:state w:st="on">Kansas</st1:state>,
<st1:state w:st="on">Montana</st1:state>, <st1:state w:st="on">Utah</st1:state>,
<st1:state w:st="on">Wyoming</st1:state>, <st1:state w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Washington</st1:place></st1:state>)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<st1:state w:st="on">Colorado</st1:state>, <st1:state w:st="on">Hawaii</st1:state>,
<st1:state w:st="on">Kansas</st1:state>, <st1:state w:st="on">Montana</st1:state>,
<st1:state w:st="on">Utah</st1:state>, <st1:state w:st="on">Wyoming</st1:state>,
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