<div dir="ltr">I vote Yes on Email ballot 2016-01.<div><br></div><div>LIve Free,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Sam Goldstein<div>Libertarian National Committee</div><div>Member at Large</div><div>8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101</div><div>Indianapolis IN 46260</div><div>317-850-0726 Phone</div><div>317-582-1773 Fax</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 12:34 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Alicia,<div><br></div><div>Thank you for the interaction. I am continuing to cc the LPCO state chair for input they may wish me to present.</div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div><div><div>==When you say the event has a "national focus", what do you mean? If all you mean is that people come from other states to the event, then we could say the same of Mardi Gras or Burning Man. People come from all over for a big party.==</div><div><br></div><div>I do mean it in the same way as yes, you could say for those events. They are big deals and people come from all over to be there. This one just happens to be in Colorado and is comprised of the youth who will be disappointed that Bernie Sanders is not going to be the Democratic nominee and are hungry for change.</div><div><br></div><span style="font-size:12.8px">==</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">That's an interesting sales pitch, but I just don't agree that it's our duty to do it, and CO is subsidizing it for us, and it's only fair that we contribute.==</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I do not believe that CO would say it is a duty either, but I do think that their position is that it would be ... perhaps fair isn't the right word... but reasonable and supportive and cognizant of the extra-Colorado exposure to do so.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div>==<span style="font-size:12.8px">I don't see that as being in the bonus category. I would just expect it if we helped fund it. Contact info is the main thing of value that could likely be a return on our investment. I just don't know how much of that we'll get.==</span></div></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">It is an unknown, but at this critical juncture with the Perfect Storm that is brewing, I don't think you can underestimate the potential value, and it is a reasonable investment. I agree that National should expect to get the contact information, but miscommunications and differing expectations between National and the affiliates happen all the time. This makes it clear that there would be no such misunderstanding or difference here.</span></div><span class=""><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px">In Liberty,</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Caryn Ann Harlos</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Region 1 Representative </div><div style="font-size:12.8px">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></span><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><i>PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.</i></div></div></div></span></div></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Alicia Mattson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com" target="_blank">agmattson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>When you say the event has a "national focus", what do you mean? If all you mean is that people come from other states to the event, then we could say the same of Mardi Gras or Burning Man. People come from all over for a big party.<br><br></div>CAH>> <span style="font-size:12.8px">CO essentially committed to fund an
event with a national focus thus subsidizing a national event, and were
willing to do it, if it became necessary but is asking the LNC to
contribute in fairness.<br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:12.8px">That's an interesting sales pitch, but I just don't agree that it's our duty to do it, and CO is subsidizing it for us, and it's only fair that we contribute.<br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:12.8px">CAH>></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">And they are offering to share all contact information received with the national party.<br><br></span></div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I don't see that as being in the bonus category. I would just expect it if we helped fund it. Contact info is the main thing of value that could likely be a return on our investment. I just don't know how much of that we'll get.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><span style="font-size:12.8px">-Alicia<br><br></span></font></span><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:44 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Alicia,<div><br></div><div>==<span style="font-size:12.8px">Isn't asking for extra beyond the $200-300 essentially a subsidy for the state party to back-fund their other efforts?==</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">That is certainly one reasonable way to view it, but I think there is an equally reasonable way to look at it, and this is CO's view as I understand it. CO essentially committed to fund an event with a national focus thus subsidizing a national event, and were willing to do it, if it became necessary but is asking the LNC to contribute in fairness. That is their perspective. And they are offering to share all contact information received with the national party. </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">==</span><span style="font-size:12.8px">Just because there are political overtones to the event, that doesn't necessarily mean that the attendees are likely voters. Maybe they are, but maybe they're not. I don't know.==</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">I think that makes it just as likely as, say, PrideFest (which most parties regularly attend) are likely voters--which LPCO did do this year as well. This is the Bernie Sanders crowd that we need to reach. And if they were not 'likely' voters when they walked in, perhaps seeing another way other than the Terrible Two, will turn them into likely voters. Additionally, there is a value itself in getting the "brand" out, and as mentioned, there is likely to be very youth-directed media there.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px">My perspective regarding national and the affiliates is well known and vocal. We exist to support them in whatever way possible (just stating my position, not to argue whether my position is right), and if that is the case, we have a state party that is aggressively doing outreach and is willing to staff and support an event that will likely not benefit them as much in CO itself as others. </span></div><span><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px">In Liberty,</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Caryn Ann Harlos</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Region 1 Representative </div><div style="font-size:12.8px">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></span><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><i>PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.</i></div></div><div><br></div></div></div></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 8:31 PM, Alicia Mattson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com" target="_blank">agmattson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>I understand the desire from CO to spend less if possible, but the LNC also has competing interests for its limited resources. Cash, sometimes more-so than budget, is often the big driver of spending decisions, as budget often exceeds cash. If we don't spend cash on this budget item, we have more cash left over for ballot access drive overruns and defending challenges.<br><br>If CO looked at their budget and decided they'd put in up to $800, then I don't think the LNC should be asked to pay more than the difference between that and the $1100 total. Isn't asking for extra beyond the $200-300 essentially a subsidy for the state party to back-fund their other efforts?<br><br></div><div>Just because there are political overtones to the event, that doesn't necessarily mean that the attendees are likely voters. Maybe they are, but maybe they're not. I don't know.<br><br>Yes, growing the base is always desired, but especially this year, I think we'll get the most bang for our buck by targeting likely voters who won't vote for Hillary or Trump. Are those the people at Riot Fest? I don't know. Are attendees there to talk politics or to party? I don't know.<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><div>-Alicia<br><br></div><div><br><br></div><div><br><br></div><div><br></div><br></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">First of all I abstain.<div><br></div><div>To answer Alicia's question, this is my understanding. CO is committed to pay $800 if necessary (that was their maximum) but that would potentially limit further outreach events that they could do in this season in addition to activities to promote the Johnson campaign that may arise. CO is next weekend going to the Western Conservative Summit, a major political event in CO, with a booth cost of $1,000. CO also just paid to fly in Will Coley to go on outreach visits to prominent CO mosques in order to reach the Muslim community. CO is aggressive in Outreach and commits quite a bit of limited funds to said activities. Riot Fest, as an event in CO that draws from all over the country, they were requesting that National assist to an extent that would relieve some of that burden since a good deal of the benefit would not go directly to CO but to the Party writ large. Further, in order to adequately staff the booth (2 would be a skeleton crew), additional passes would need to be purchased (it is unknown if passes can be transferred at this point as well), and this would free up resources to purchase items to sell (though no approval has been made on that by the LPCO board). Last year non-profits did get a 10% discount, but that has not been confirmed for this year, but there is the potential that the minimum cost to CO may be $920 (the booth fee is $800 and $200 for the liability insurance).</div><div><br></div><div>I have copied the LPCO State Chair on this email so he can communicate to me if I have mischaracterized or omitted anything here.</div><div><br></div><div>As far as information on Riot Fest, this is from an earlier email to the LNC on this:</div><div><br></div><div><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Riot Fest is a 3 day music festival that is held in 2 cities on separate
dates in September. This event is extremely popular as people travel from
across the county and internationally to attend. There are five to six
stages in all. Vendor tents are placed outside, usually along the perimeter
of the fenced in area by the outdoor stages. Attendance is expected to be
approximately 40,000 per day, so there are a lot of people walking around
from stage to stage. There is ample space to speak to the festival goers at
our outside tent. We will be able to carry on conversations with potential
voters. We can also expect national media coverage as MTV, Rolling Stone,
Huffington Post amongst others have covered the event in the past. The
target demographic will be the disenchanted Bernie Sanders supporters,
Independents and anyone looking for a 3rd party option. As the event is
built around, but not limited to, Punk Rock there are heavy political
undertones. I have also been in contact with Seth Levy from the Gary
Johnson campaign who says that this event is “right up his ally” however
due to potential security concerns at that point in the campaign can not
guarantee his appearance.<br></pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;white-space:normal"><div style="font-size:12.8px">In Liberty,</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Caryn Ann Harlos</div><div style="font-size:12.8px">Region 1 Representative </div><div style="font-size:12.8px">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington)</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></span><div style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;white-space:normal"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><i>PS: remember, please sign your emails... the sender information is often unclear when this goes to the public list, and the members can have a hard time keeping track of who said what, and they deserve to know.</i></div></div></pre></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jun 26, 2016 at 7:59 PM, Daniel Hayes <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>I vote Yes.</div><div><br></div><div>Daniel Hayes</div><div>LNC At Large<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div><div><br>On Jun 26, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Alicia Mattson <<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com" target="_blank">agmattson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>We have an electronic mail ballot.<br> <br><b><u>Votes are due to the LNC-Business list by July 6, 2016 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time.<br></u></b> <br><u>Co-Sponsors:</u> Harlos, Goldstein, Hayes, Bittner<br>
<br><u>Motion:</u> Move that the LNC provide $600.00 to LPCO for the Riot Fest event. These funds would come from the budget for Affiliate Support.<br><br>-Alicia<span style="color:rgb(7,55,99);font-size:12.8px"></span><br><br><span style="color:rgb(7,55,99);font-size:12.8px"></span></div></div>
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