Sam,<div><br></div><div>If no one gives a damn, then that info shouldn't be included.</div><div><br></div><div>I give a damn and as a member I gave a damn. I received an email from a member during this discussion who also gives a damn.</div><div><br></div>Reminds me of my tour guide at Hoover Dam. Leave the dam facts to the dam professionals.<span></span><br><div><br></div><div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font size="2">In Liberty,</font></b></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font size="2">Caryn Ann Harlos</font></b></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a>Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></font></div></div><div><font size="2"><br></font></div><div><br>On Saturday, August 6, 2016, Wes Benedict <<a href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<p>A sub-committee of the LNC designed this system, and then the
entire LNC adopted the system. I'm 200 emails behind on other
things so I'm going to ask if some of the LNC reps who were around
when the system was adopted can explain the details and answer
some of the detailed questions about what are on the reports. I
can do more of that once I catch up on things. <br>
</p>
<p>I made one serious effort to try to explain the LNC's membership
plan to our members on page 15 of this LP News: <br>
</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lp.org/files/lp_news/2014-4_LP_News.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.lp.org/files/lp_<wbr>news/2014-4_LP_News.pdf</a></p>
<p>Learning what the rules in the Policy Manual meant well enough so
that I could put them in writing in my own words was probably a
40-hour process. <br>
</p>
<p>I'll let the rest of the LNC take it from here. <br>
</p>
<p>Aaron Starr did not design this system, but I've found he's
particularly good at explaining some of the ins and outs, so if he
happens to be available to answer these tough questions, that
would be great. <br>
</p>
<p>Thanks,<br>
</p>
<pre cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wes.benedict@lp.org');" target="_blank">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
<a href="http://facebook.com/libertarians" target="_blank">facebook.com/libertarians</a> @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: <a href="http://lp.org/membership" target="_blank">http://lp.org/membership</a></pre>
<div>On 8/6/2016 11:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Thank you Wes, that was clear and straightforward.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It seems to me that this "active mem" number is not
terribly meaningful then for the membership report. A member
said to me that this also might include some "lifetime donors"
that get benefits but are not accorded BSM membership under
some old scheme. Is this correct?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I know to some people this seems hopelessly pedantic. I am
a paralegal. I am hopelessly pedantic. It is my super
power. But at least you know I truly examined this document.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><font size="2"><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">In Liberty,</b></font></div>
<div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font size="2">Caryn Ann Harlos</font></b></div>
<div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Region 1
Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming, Washington) - <a>Caryn.Ann.
Harlos@LP.org</a></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Communications
Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian
Party of Colorado</a></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Colorado
State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian
Party Radical Caucus</a></span></font></div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 9:06 AM, Wes
Benedict <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wes.benedict@lp.org');" target="_blank">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<p>If John signed the pledge and paid dues on 1/1/2015,
then, at that point, their "Active Membership" and
"Sustaining Membership" both expire on 1/1/2016.</p>
<p>We start sending renewal letters and renewal emails
before people's memberships expire.</p>
<p>If John renews his dues on 11/1/2015 (2 months before
his expiration date), then his "Active Membership" is
extended to 1/1/2017 (per the policy manual), but his
"Sustaining Membership" will expire 11/1/2016 (per the
bylaws).<br>
</p>
<p>The above kind of thing is one example of how the two
sets of numbers can vary--sometimes records aren't 100%
complete updated right when a report is run as well. And
sometimes errors are made.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<pre cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
<a href="tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232" value="+12023330008" target="_blank">(202) 333-0008 ext. 232</a>, <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wes.benedict@lp.org');" target="_blank">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
<a href="http://facebook.com/libertarians" target="_blank">facebook.com/libertarians</a> @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: <a href="http://lp.org/membership" target="_blank">http://lp.org/membership</a></pre>
<div>On 8/6/2016 10:52 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Wes, yes please!
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I am asking members and no one seems to
understand this.</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 8:50
AM, Wes Benedict <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wes.benedict@lp.org');" target="_blank">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<p>Cary, do you want me to answer this
question? <br>
</p>
<pre cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
<a href="tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232" value="+12023330008" target="_blank">(202) 333-0008 ext. 232</a>, <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wes.benedict@lp.org');" target="_blank">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
<a href="http://facebook.com/libertarians" target="_blank">facebook.com/libertarians</a> @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: <a href="http://lp.org/membership" target="_blank">http://lp.org/membership</a></pre>
<div>On 8/6/2016 10:37 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Well you couldn't have signed
the Pledge in 1971 since it wasn't around
then ;)
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But I am still confused by your
example. Maybe here is the better
question to help me.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What does one have to do to have
"member benefits" that are not
co-extensive with BSM? Because it says
"active mems" have signed the Pledge.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Does this just mean a contribution
under $25?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>How can you be an active pledge-signer
member (for active mem) and not be a BSM?
The only way I can see that is if one gave
less than $25.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><font size="2"><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">In
Liberty,</b></font></div>
<div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font size="2">Caryn Ann Harlos</font></b></div>
<div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Region
1 Representative, Libertarian
National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana,
Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a>Caryn.Ann.
Harlos@LP.org</a></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Communications
Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party
of Colorado</a></span></font></div>
<div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Colorado
State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party
Radical Caucus</a></span></font></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 6, 2016
at 8:28 AM, Robert Kraus <span dir="ltr"><<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robert.kraus@lp.org');" target="_blank">robert.kraus@lp.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="blue" lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">I
amy have signed the NAP in
1971. Doesn’t matter when I
signed the NAP or if I signed
the NAP ( for my active
membership benefits expire
date).</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">But
in this example the ONLY thing
the bylaws care about is that
I contributed $25 within the
last year.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Thus
the last time I did this was
$25 on 07/01/15 thus I am no
longer a BSM as of 07/01/16.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Now
on the “membership benefits
side” – which the Policy
Manual dictates – I get my
“benefits” expire date updated
by 12 months from my previous
date. So if my previous expire
date was 08/30/15 and I
renewed early on 07/01/15 my
new expire date is 08/30/16.
Thus you can say my BSM ended
on 07/01/16 yet my ?membership
benefits” expire date ends on
08/30/16.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">My
BSM would not end on 08/30/16
simply because that would
violate the bylaws since I had
not given since 07/01/15.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Keep
in mind it really doesn’t
matter when your BSM “ends”
except for counts for
delegates 6 months pior to a
convention or your status on
the LNC or JC which requires
you to be a BSM.</span></font></p>
<span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Live
Free!</span></font><font color="navy"><span style="color:navy"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><em><b><i><font face="Freestyle
Script" color="navy" size="6"><span>Robert</span></font></i></b></em><b><i><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic"><br>
<br>
<br>
</span></font></i></b><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="1"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Robert
S. Kraus - Dir of
Operations<br>
<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Operations@LP.org');" target="_blank">Operations@LP.org</a><br>
Libertarian National
Committee<br>
Ph: <a href="tel:202.333.0008%20x%20231" value="+12023330008" target="_blank">202.333.0008
x 231</a></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Join
today: <a href="https://www.lp.org/membership" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/membership</a></span></font></p>
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FB Page: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/libertarians" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/liber<wbr>tarians</a>
</span></font></p>
</div>
</span>
<div><span>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
size=2 width="100%"
align=center
tabindex=-1> </span></font></div>
</span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
Lnc-business [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org');" target="_blank">lnc-business-bounces@h<wbr>q.lp.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Caryn
Ann Harlos<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Saturday, August 06, 2016
10:16 AM</span></font></p>
<div>
<div><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business@hq.lp.org');" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re: [Lnc-business] Newbie
question - Membership Report</font></div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Ahh
okay (you messed up a
date in there, I think
you meant 7/1/16 in the
example of BSM
expiring). Is that
number even meaningful
for membership stats?
It is really terribly
confusing.</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">It
seems in most cases
that the two dates
would be concurrent.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">So
in your above example,
you had "membership
benefits" due to
paying some money
around 8/30/14 prior
to agreeing with the
NAP which was done on
7/1/15. Because if
you had agreed with
the NAP and paid money
on 8/30/14 and renewed
early on 7/1/15, your
BSM membership would
still go through
8/30/16, correct? </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Am
I understanding this
now? If I am, I am
going to write up a
mini-article on this
to explain it to
others. I cannot be
the only one
confounded by this, no
one just wasn't
obsessed enough to
pursue an answer since
the numbers were
negligible.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Times New
Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">In Liberty,</span></font></b></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Times New
Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">Caryn Ann Harlos</span></font></b></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Region
1 Representative,
Libertarian National
Committee (Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado,
Hawaii, Kansas,
Montana, Utah,
Wyoming, Washington)
- Caryn.Ann. <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Harlos@LP.org');" target="_blank">Harlos@LP.org</a></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Communications
Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of
Colorado</a></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Colorado</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
State</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party
Radical Caucus</a></span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On
Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at
8:06 AM, Robert Kraus
<<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','robert.kraus@lp.org');" target="_blank">robert.kraus@lp.org</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<div link="blue" vlink="blue">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Sorry
meant I would be a
BSM until
07/01/2016 not 15.</span></font></p>
<div>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:center" align="center"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">
<hr align="center" size="2" width="100%">
</span></font></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
Lnc-business
[mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org');" target="_blank">lnc-business-bounces@h<wbr>q.lp.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Robert
Kraus<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Saturday, August
06, 2016 10:05
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business@hq.lp.org');" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re:
[Lnc-business]
Newbie question
- Membership
Report</span></font></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times New
Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Simple
explanation: BSM
(Sustaining
Membership) is per
the bylaws which
basically says you
are a sustaining
member if you
contribute a total
of $25 within a
year and agree to
the NAP</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Example
– I agree with the
NAP and paid $25
for anything on
07/01/2015 thus I
was a “BSM” until
07/01/2015 (I am
no longer a “BSM”
in this example)</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">The
“Active” (doesn’t
matter Mem or Sub)
part is dictated
by the policy
manual and relates
to “membership
benefits” like LP
News. For example
I paid $25 on
07/01/15 to renew
my “active
membership” but my
benefits did not
expire until
08/30/15. In other
words in this
example I renewed
early. According
to our rules my
“expire” date for
“membership
benefits” would be
extended by one
year. Thus my new
“active membership
expire date” is
08/30/16. So I am
“active” until the
end of this month
even though I am
no longer a BSM. </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">So
if I come from the
state of PR and am
the only “active”
member – my state
will show zero (0)
for BSM and one
(1) for MEM.</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy"> </span></font></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><em><b><i><font face="Freestyle Script" color="navy" size="6"><span>Robert</span></font></i></b></em></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Robert
S. Kraus - Dir
of Operations<br>
<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Operations@LP.org');" target="_blank">Operations@LP.org</a><br>
Libertarian
National
Committee<br>
Ph: <a href="tel:202.333.0008%20x%20231" target="_blank">202.333.0008 x 231</a></span></font></p>
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<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">Join
today: <a href="https://www.lp.org/membership" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/membership</a></span></font></p>
<p style="margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><font face="Verdana" color="navy" size="2"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:navy">LP
FB Page: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/libertarians" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/liber<wbr>tarians</a>
</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Lnc-business [mailto:<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org');" target="_blank">lnc-business-bounces@h<wbr>q.lp.org</a>]
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Caryn
Ann Harlos<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b>
Saturday,
August 06,
2016 8:47 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b>
<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','lnc-business@hq.lp.org');" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b>
Re:
[Lnc-business]
Newbie
question -
Membership
Report</span></font></p>
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Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">First line should say on "page 2" of the
report.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:46 AM, Caryn Ann
Harlos <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos@gmail.com');" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Joshua, let me explain.</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">There are five columns on page of the report. </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">1. Total "MEM" - this is the total number of
constituents
in state that
have signed
the pledge -
whether they
have paid dues
or not. It
includes
inactive folks
who are not
reflected on
this chart.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">2. Active "MEM"- Current Dues Payer or
Lifetime Donor
with a signed
pledge</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">3. Active "SUB" - Current due payer or
lifetime
donors who
have not
signed the
Pledge</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">4. Total Active - that is just adding numbers
2 and numbers
3.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">5. Total BSM- By-Law Definition of "Sustaining
Member" and
number used
for delegate
count with a
parenthetical
comment of Art
5-3 that a
Sustaining
member is any
Party member
who has given
at least $25
to the party
in the prior
twelve months,
or who is a
life member.
By that
definition, a
Pledge signer.</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">What is the different between Numbers 2 and
Number 5?
Dues payers?
Check.
Lifetime
donors?
Check. Signed
Pledge?
Check. That
is true for
both of those
categories, so
what is the
difference?</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">And the different between those numbers in the
states is only
a few people,
and in some
states (such
as Hawaii,
Nebraska,
Rhode Island,
South
Carolina),
they are
exactly the
same.</span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Times
New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">In Liberty,</span></font></b></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><font face="Times
New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-weight:bold">Caryn Ann Harlos</span></font></b></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National
Committee (Alaska,
Arizona,
Colorado,
Hawaii,
Kansas,
Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington)
- Caryn.Ann. <a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Harlos@LP.org');" target="_blank">Harlos@LP.org</a></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of
Colorado</a></span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Colorado</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
State</span></font><font size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 6:04 AM, Joshua Katz
<<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','planning4liberty@gmail.com');" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Active subs need not sign the pledge, I agree.
I don't see
that this
challenges
what I said,
that MEM don't
pay dues and
BSM do.</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br clear="all">
</span></font></p>
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<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Joshua A. Katz</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)</span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 1:40 AM, Caryn Ann
Harlos <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos@gmail.com');" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I really suggest reading the categories in the
membership
report - that
isn't the
difference
here. There
is a
categories for
non-pledgers -
"active subs"
- that doesn't
answer the
difference
between
"active mem"
and BSM.</span></font></p>
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<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br>
On Friday,
August 5,
2016, Joshua
Katz <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','planning4liberty@gmail.com');" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">To become a member, one signs the pledge. To
become a
bylaws-sustaining
member, one
pays dues. </span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><br clear="all">
</span></font></p>
<div>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Joshua A. Katz</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)</span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Caryn Ann
Harlos <<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','carynannharlos@gmail.com');" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">hehe</span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">But I did read it. It doesn't answer my
question. So
perhaps it
needs to be
longer to
answer my
question.</span></font></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:16 PM, Ken Moellman
<<a href="javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ken.moellman@lpky.org');" target="_blank">ken.moellman@lpky.org</a>>
wrote:</span></font></p>
<div>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> </span></font></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">(If only the policy manual
weren't so
long...
Sorry, I
couldn't
resist. Heh.)</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> </span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">---</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Ken C. Moellman, Jr.<br>
LNC Region 3
Alternate
Representative<br>
LPKY Judicial
Committee</span></font></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana"> </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">On 2016-08-05 20:41, Caryn
Ann Harlos
wrote:</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font face="Verdana" size="2"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Verdana">Thank you Robert, I did,
and perhaps I
am being slow,
that doesn't
explain to me
the difference
between Active
MEM and BSM.
It seems to me
those two
categories are
identical, yet
for nearly
every state
they vary by a
few. </span></font></p>
<div>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div><div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br>