<div dir="ltr">Caren Ann,<div><br></div><div>1) I do not want my phone number published on LP.org. This is not negotiable for me.</div><div><br></div><div>2) I believe that committees should operate as they see fit. Given that they are only allowed to make recommendations to the LNC, and not actually create policy without LNC approval, I see no reason to require them to share every detail with the while of the membership. If they make proposals that violate our principles, we don't approve them. People who want to know everything the committee does, should find out how to get on the committee. </div><div><br></div><div>3) I do appreciate committees that give notice of their meetings, and allow folks to listen in.</div><div><br></div><div>4) I think it is best practice for a committee to solicit input from membership at-large via a partywide forum/medium, and receive such input via e-mail (example: <a href="mailto:policycommittee@lp.org" target="_blank">policycommittee@lp.org</a>) or by phone (numbers provided voluntarily by individual members, if they choose). </div><div><br></div><div>5) I do not agree with requiring any committee to operate in a certain manner...top-down control is not my thing. LNC members were elected to do the business of the Party, LNC members then vote to create committees/subcommittees. </div><div><br></div><div>6) I am the Chairperson of the LPTexas Policy Committee. We believe in keeping it simple....as you can see from the Policy Manual excerpt below: </div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><h2 dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.2;margin-top:10pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:17.3333px;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:rgb(0,38,100);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">STANDING COMMITTEES</span></h2><br><p dir="ltr" style="line-height:1.38;margin-top:0pt;margin-bottom:0pt"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Any standing committee formed shall be chaired by a current member of the SLEC unless decided otherwise by majority vote of the SLEC.</span></p><br><span style="font-size:14.6667px;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(0,0,0);vertical-align:baseline;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:transparent">Standing committees do not include the convention committees of rules, platform, and credentials.</span></span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">We do, however, have commitee e-mail addresses for standing committees...to which anyone can submit inquiries, suggestions, etc...all committee members see these messages, and they are addressed accordingly. While each committee may not always invite everyone to listen in to committee meetings, we do submit minutes after each meeting, and those are posted in the forum, as well. Nothing we do is in secret, and all decisions are made public. The SLEC, still has to vote on any proposal, and those sessions are streamed/videotaped in the case of the LNC anyway. So, no decisions get made in the shadows....at least, that is how I see it.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">7) Opening up every single conversation, deliberation, exchange of ideas, or proposal to the entire membership to scrutinize, question, challenge, or change is an invitation for confusion, convolution, inefficiency, and impasse. <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">8) What Daniel Hayes is doing, opening his calls to us all, is great! It works for that committee, and I expect it will render positive results. However, I don't agree with requiring Daniel to open his meetings. Those charged with that business should be empowered to take care of their business in accordance with the dynamics of their team. As Ken stated earlier, certain committee material is sensitive, and should be. Therefore, I oppose the notion that every single communication should be open.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">9) If an issue arises, and a committee's integrity is questioned, or evidence of wrongdoing is put forth, let's address it.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">10) The Policy Manual should be brief, concise, clear, and everything in it must be enforceable, without creating undue burdens on the LNC itself.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">11) I am not seeing in the Policy Manual where it says that (sub)committees must do all the things you suggest. You say you are only suggesting one thing different...that is the phone number publication. I think LNC meetings should be subject to more transparency than (sub)committee meetings. I don't wish to <b>require</b> committees (subordinate to the LNC) to do the things being suggested here.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Whitney Bilyeu</div><div class="gmail_extra">Region 7 Representative </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Whitney, I have to ask, do you then object to the current transparency level of the LNC? Because I have proposed little different (other than the listing of information about committee members) then presently exists.<div><br></div><div>And I have to ask all Regionals, and this is a drum I will constantly pound. Is opacity what the members of your Region want? I make it a point to interact as much as they wish with the members of my region and the affiliates, and not a single one has told me they favour opacity. I will be raising this question in my next regional mailer.</div><div><br></div><div>I thank Starchild for the very thorough post, and the "cost of secrecy" part had me nodding my head vigrously.</div><div><br></div><div>Another cost of secrecy is that we will not have great LNC candidates for the future. I do not flatter myself into thinking I was a "great" candidate but my region is happy so far, and the only reason I felt competent to run was that I spent the six months prior to convention studying all the decisions and information that was available in the open and attending every single open meeting I could. Slamming the door on this is slamming the door on opportunity to groom future Party leaders.</div><div><br></div><div>I still hope to provide my full response to Ken's thoughtful points this weekend.</div><span><div><br></div><div>-- <br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div><div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a>Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 8:59 AM, Whitney Bilyeu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:whitneycb76@gmail.com" target="_blank">whitneycb76@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I agree with Ken.</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:15 PM, Ken Moellman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ken.moellman@lpky.org" target="_blank">ken.moellman@lpky.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
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<div>First, there are committees with no power to spend, but are strategic in nature that would fall under this proposal. Specifically, I can tell you that the Ballot Access Committee has discussed important strategies on how to achieve ballot access. </div>
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<div>I have already heard from some members that they believe committee transparency would expose our strategy, putting us at greater risk of being on the wrong end of shenanigans. By the wording, these substantial strategies would be required to be exposed. </div>
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<div>And it's not even just the Ballot Access Committee. Look at Affiliate Support or Candidate Support; do we really want to let our opposition know our next few chess moves? I foresee a day where our opposition raises money to counter the actions of a candidate to be funded by the LNC before the candidate even gets the money from the LNC. Politics is a game of chess, and telling your opponent your next 3 moves means you're either really good, or really dumb. And I don't see us winning elections, so that might narrow such a move into only one of those two categories...</div>
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<div>I'm all about transparency, but only after the information is of no value to our opponents anymore, and cannot be used by our opponents to cause harm to the party or its candidates.</div>
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<div>Second, a committee would be able to set their own rules on executive session. What stops a committee from adopting rules that puts them permanently into executive session whenever they're in a business meeting? Unless, of course, we create special rules for every committee (and clutter up the Policy Manual -- sorry, but it's true!)</div>
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<div>Third, you're talking about creating new mailing lists aliases. That's more work for the LNC staff. </div>
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<div><br>Fourth, the Ballot Access Committee has had one or two emergency meetings. There are times when 48 hours notice is not realistic.</div>
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<div>Fifth, I strongly oppose publishing my phone number on LP.org. I'm already annoyed enough that I get phone calls from petition coordinators from around the US. It is great to have my phone going off in the middle of the day while I'm trying to be on a conference call, or trying to lead a meeting (sarcasm). Maybe some folks like having their phones blown up and being put on spammer phone lists. I do not.</div>
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<div>Finally, I would suggest not hardcoding the "public reflector" language. There are better ways to publicize mailing lists that don't involve the current configuration which could be examined in the future. </div>
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<div>So, now that I'm through everything that I see wrong with it, here's what I'd counter-propose:</div>
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<div><strong><em>Any committee which has been empowered to expend funds shall notify the LNC chair, in writing, of the exact wording of any motion passed by the committee to expend funds, and the LNC chair shall be responsible for approving those expenditures prior to funds being expended. All expenditures shall be recorded in compliance with the law and this policy manual. All expenditures shall be reported to the full LNC at the next in-person LNC meeting.</em></strong></div>
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<p>On 2016-08-11 22:20, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr">As per the request of several committee members, here once again is what I like to offer as a Policy Manual Amendment:
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<p>The names and contact information (phone number, email address, or both)for all committee members shall be posted on the LP.org website. Unless otherwise specifically excepted on a committee-by-committee basis or within the committee's own published standing rules for "executive session," all committee meetings shall be open to any member of the National Party to observe or listen and all electronic committee correspondences shall bemade available on a public reflector system on the LP.org website, the location of which will be published with the committee contact information. Notices, minutes, agendas, and call-in information of committee meetings shall be published to said reflector list or otherwise on the LP.org <<a href="http://lp.org/" target="_blank"><span>http://lp.org/</span></a>> website, including a record of all substantive committee actions and how each membervoted. At least 48 hours public notice will be given for any committee meeting.</p>
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<div>My intent for this is that I want to empower committees but will oppose that if it adds a layer of opacity that does not presently exist. Right now, we as an LNC are micromanaging things, but at least the members can see the decisions.</div>
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<div>I would like some real discussion on this and respectfully ask that any discussions about the policy manual being too long, or needing to be consolidated, that do not debate or make suggestions as to the merit of this specific proposal have their own email thread.</div>
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<div>I want to sponsor with Joshua Katz a Candidate Support Committee. But I cannot/will not unless we have transparency in place either in the description of that committee or as a general rule which guides all of our committees.</div>
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