<div dir="ltr">Why else would who sign it? Why else would the voter sign it? Dunno. If the $10k is to be paid to them, that seems like a reason. Why else would the candidate sign it? Well, I have trouble believing that the candidate is interested in risking money to get one voter's support.<div><br></div><div>If we add to the facts that the voter is agreeing to support the candidate, then I agree there's consideration, at least on the contract's own terms. Actually demanding the performance from the voter would almost certainly be illegal, but if treated as a bilateral contract the legal portion might still be enforceable. </div><div><br></div><div>Of the two options, the LNC option probably makes more sense, assuming the LNC promises to do something - it could be as small as promising not to attack the candidate. I'd need more details before knowing if I'd agree with it or not. I would oppose the example given - regardless of what I'd do, I am not interested in binding a candidate not to, for instance, increase sales tax by .01% in a deal that also eliminates the NSA, or something like that.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Joshua A. Katz<div>Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Why else would they sign it? I believe that was implicit in Arvin's scenario.<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><span></span><br><br>On Saturday, October 22, 2016, Joshua Katz <<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Where does the hypo say the voter promises support?<div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Joshua A. Katz<div>Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 4:01 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a>carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I believe the contact may be against public election policy if with the voter, but there is consideration. The voter promises support IF the candidate follows the pledge. Clear consideration. But I think this would violate some election law, it just doesn't pass the gut test.<div><br></div><div>Now as between the candidate and the LNC, I think that might be a different matter.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Joshua Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a>planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I believe the contract is unenforceable for want of consideration. The voter does not have their future actions constrained in any way, and so suffers no detriment.<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Joshua A. Katz<div>Westbrook CT Planning Commission (L in R seat)</div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Arvin Vohra <span dir="ltr"><<a>votevohra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr">Hi all,<div><br></div><div>A few years ago, we started doing candidate pledges. We basically based them off the Norquist tax pledge, but made them about cutting government instead not just not growing it. Some include sponsoring legislation to cut spending to 1998 levels to eliminate the income tax, sponsoring legislation to cut military spending by 60 percent, sponsoring legislation to repeal the Patriot act, etc. The pledges are obviously voluntary.</div><div><br></div><div>I've been considering advancing this from a pledge to a (voluntary) contract. There are two versions I have considered so far:</div><div><br></div><div>1. The contract would be signed by the candidate, with any voter able to act as a cosigner. The voter would download a signed pdf, sign it, and that would put the contract into effect.</div><div><br></div><div>2. The contract would be between the candidate and the LNC.</div><div><br></div><div>Unlike the pledge, the contract would have clear, defined, monetary penalties. As in: "The candidate will oppose any tax increase for any purpose, unless it is accompanied by a larger simultaneous tax decrease, or will pay $10,000." Or something along those lines.</div><div><br></div><div>Looking for legal and other input.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Arvin</div><div><div><br></div>-- <br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Arvin Vohra<br><br><a href="http://www.VoteVohra.com" target="_blank">www.VoteVohra.com</a><br><a>VoteVohra@gmail.com</a><br><a href="tel:%28301%29%20320-3634" value="+13013203634" target="_blank">(301) 320-3634</a></div>
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