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<p>There are problems with the images on the new website. All new
images appear and disappear intermittently. <br>
</p>
<p>Kevin Ludlow sounds to me like he is close to solving the
problem, but I can't make any promises on this.</p>
<p>I apologize for the trouble. <br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lp.org/membership">http://lp.org/membership</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/27/2016 11:26 AM, Caryn Ann
Harlos wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAL4U=_qGHvu27QuxumbtZ50ZmRHLcDuj+69QEQFC17hSa+OTwg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I am in the middle of a Federal lawsuit that is
getting a ton of media in CO. People are looking me up to
verify my credentials and it is terribly disturbing to not have
my picture. A ton of free LP publicity is being generated in CO
right now.
<div><br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#666666" size="4"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#666666" size="4"><b>Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div>
<div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative,
Libertarian National Committee </font><span
style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona,
Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming, Washington) - <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org"
target="_blank">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications
Director, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party of
Colorado</a></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small">Colorado
State Coordinator, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical
Caucus</a></span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 9:20 AM, Sam
Goldstein <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com" target="_blank">goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">The Radical purge has begun!<span
class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sam</div>
</font></span></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><br clear="all">
<div>
<div class="m_-7520360452250906315gmail_signature"
data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">Sam Goldstein
<div>Libertarian National Committee</div>
<div>Member at Large</div>
<div>8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101</div>
<div>Indianapolis IN 46260</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:317-850-0726" value="+13178500726"
target="_blank">317-850-0726</a> Phone</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:317-582-1773" value="+13175821773"
target="_blank">317-582-1773</a> Fax</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
</span>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:13
AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com"
target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">And now my picture has been
removed. Why? I did not object to the "live"
shots, and I rather preferred that picture. <span>
<div><br>
</div>
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class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815gmail-m_5638093761667842527gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#666666" size="4"><b>In
Liberty,</b></font></div>
<div><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif"
color="#666666" size="4"><b>Caryn
Ann Harlos</b></font></div>
<div><font size="1">Region 1
Representative, Libertarian
National Committee </font><span
style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii,
Kansas, Montana, Utah,
Wyoming, Washington) - <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org"
target="_blank">Caryn.Ann.
Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:x-small">Communications
Director, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/"
target="_blank">Libertarian
Party of Colorado</a></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:x-small">Colorado
State Coordinator, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/"
target="_blank">Libertarian
Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 27,
2016 at 7:49 AM, Sam Goldstein <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com" target="_blank">goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Here you go:
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.lp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20160526_LNC_Policy_Manual.pdf"
target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/wp-content/<wbr>uploads/2016/07/20160526_LNC_P<wbr>olicy_Manual.pdf</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Is is hiding on the LNC Minutes
page.</div>
<span
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</font></span>
<div class="gmail_extra"><span
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815HOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br clear="all">
<div>
<div
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581gmail_signature"
data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">Sam Goldstein
<div>Libertarian National
Committee</div>
<div>Member at Large</div>
<div>8925 N Meridian St,
Ste 101</div>
<div>Indianapolis IN 46260</div>
<div><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:317-850-0726" value="+13178500726" target="_blank">317-850-0726</a>
Phone</div>
<div><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:317-582-1773" value="+13175821773" target="_blank">317-582-1773</a>
Fax</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</font></span>
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class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815h5">
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu,
Oct 27, 2016 at 9:39 AM,
Joshua Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com"
target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">To get to the
Policy Manual, click on
"Meeting Minutes" in the
footer. It appears on the
top of the page, followed
by the minutes arranged by
year.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think the "type" of
pictures used should
either be an individual
decision (my preference)
or be based on the
recommendation of an
expert in
PR/design/something. I
am none of those things,
and so I don't know what
the most effective sort
of picture is. Unless
we hear from an expert
"all pictures should
look like X in the
context of this site and
what you're trying to
accomplish" I'm going to
stick with board
discussions about the
pictures, other than to
say people can choose
what they want their
picture to look like
(within limits - I don't
think my request to have
mine look like a lion
should be
respected...although...)
is rather pointless. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I look forward to a
report at the December
meeting where some of
these matters can be
discussed more fully.</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br
clear="all">
<div>
<div
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572gmail_signature"
data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">Joshua
A. Katz
<div>Westbrook CT
Planning
Commission (L in R
seat)</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
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class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581h5"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at
8:24 AM, Starchild <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" target="_blank">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0
0
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#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Thanks
for the laugh
this morning
at your photo
descriptions
Daniel, lol...
:-D</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>But
seriously,
that's kinda
what I <i>like</i>
about some of
the pictures –
they help
people come
across as the
diverse
individuals we
are. I'm not
saying none of
the shots
could be
better, and if
the LNC
members you've
mentioned want
to select or
provide
different
photos of
themselves, of
course they
should be able
to do so. But
I'd be
disappointed
if folks chose
to reject
individuality
in favor of
"institutional"
type photos
that look like
they could
have been
plucked from a
corporate
annual
report. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Good
catch on
noticing that
the LNC Policy
Manual is
missing from
the new site,
if that is the
case. I tried
to do a
search, but
either it
isn't loading
for me right
now, or when
you search for
results of a
term that
can't be
found, it just
displays a
blank page
rather than a
notice saying
it couldn't
find the term.</div>
<span>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Love
& Liberty,</div>
<div>
((( starchild
)))</div>
<div>At-Large
Representative, Libertarian National Committee</div>
<div>
(415) 625-FREE</div>
<div>
@StarchildSF</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<br>
</span>
<div>
<div>
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<div>On Oct
27, 2016, at
5:00 AM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lnc-votes@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-votes@hq.lp.org</a>
wrote:</div>
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type="cite">
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<div>I have
not looked
very hard yet,
but even at 5
am central in
the morning
the website is
godawful slow
to load.
That's not a
bitch,
consider that
informational
purposes.<br>
<br>
On the LNC
page. ( <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/"
target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/libertar<wbr>ian-national-committee/</a> )Many
of us paid for
head shots.
Moving away
from that I
think is a bad
idea. Also,
there are a
lot of
problems with
this page from
the standpoint
of basic human
psychology.
Most of what I
say below is
Nov. 9th
stuff, but I
think
correcting the
pictures is a
bit more
pressing.<br>
<br>
Nick's looks
real young and
innocent. He
reminds me of
a kindergarten
student in
that picture.
It's his
picture but I
suggest his
pro head shot.
I do think
Valerie might
like this one
though but he
convinced her
to marry him
so I think he
is past the
phase of
convincing her
he is credible
and competent.<br>
<br>
Arvin's looks
surprised like
someone just
told him he
got selected
to represent
the school in
the spelling
bee and
responded
with. "REALLY?
ME?!!!"<br>
<br>
Alicia's
picture has
her looking
away and you
can't see her
eyes. She
looks
occupied. Its
not as bad as
the others but
once again...
Pro Head shot.<br>
<br>
Bill's picture
is the one
that caught my
attention with
this
initially.
Bill looks
pissed off. He
might have
been pissed
off. I feel
ya Bill...I
get pissed off
a lot too like
I will be in
my next email
after this one
to the list.
That said..NOT
the picture to
use. Pro head
shot<br>
<br>
I think
Larry's is a
decent one but
why not use a
Pro head shot
if he has one
for
consistency.<br>
<br>
That said...
WHY? I now
find myself
involved in
the task that
this board
shouldn't be
involved in..
Micromanaging
things. But at
the same time,
I am annoyed
that staff
time was spent
deciding on
putting these
pictures here
when all of
the people I
mentioned with
"bad" pics in
my opinion had
professional
head shots
that they PAID
for. Also
where is
Sam's? Never
mind..I
thought it was
a broken link
but it just
failed to load
the first
time. Also, I
think his
picture is
less than
flattering
compared to
his head shot.
I know there
were others
that had
professional
head shots.
Now we have a
bunch of blank
spaces and
many of our
board members
not looking
very inspiring
of
confidence. <br>
<div
style="direction:rtl"><span
style="font-size:15px"> e</span></div>
Additionally,
the form of
the page. Get
the pictures
of the people
at the TOP
instead of a
Wall O Text
mapping out
all the
regions. Put
that below the
pictures. IF
someone needs
to figure out
their region
or is
interested
they will
look. Leave
the link to
the LNC
reflector list
at the top.
Also, lose the
spot where it
lists the
region of
every member
below the
pictures
because almost
half the
people listed
don't have a
region. Just
list the
region number
in between the
word Region
and
Representative
where that is
listed below
each person's
name.<br>
Let's include
a place for
people's phone
numbers that
want those
included.
Mine is <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:504-258-6176" value="+15042586176" target="_blank">504-258-6176</a>.<br>
<br>
Also where is
the link to
the Policy
manual these
days? I used
to be able to
find it by
going to this
page. It
doesn't seem
to be listed
here anymore
and doesn't
seem to be in
with the
bylaws.<br>
<br>
<br>
Daniel Hayes<br>
LNC At Large
Member
Region:At
Large</div>
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<div><br>
On Oct 26,
2016, at 05:05
PM, Starchild
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" target="_blank">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290msg-quote"
style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Thanks,
Kevin. Can you
tell me which
issues that I
mentioned are
<i>not</i>
being
addressed, and
if/when you
plan to
address them?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I'm
also wondering
about the
specific issue
I mentioned in
my previous
message about
the LNC page
losing
information on
the way over,
because I got
the impression
from your
comment "Staff
has copied
over existing
pages and so
nothing is
lost or
destroyed or
anything of
this sort",
that this
should not
have occurred.
Do you know
how it
happened in
this case, and
whether it may
have happened
in other cases
as well?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Love
& Liberty,</div>
<div>
(((
starchild )))</div>
<div>At-Large
Representative, Libertarian National Committee</div>
<div>
(415)
625-FREE</div>
<div>
@StarchildSF</div>
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<div>
<div>On Oct
26, 2016, at
8:32 AM, Kevin
Ludlow wrote:</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>Thanks,
Starchild.<br>
<br>
</div>
Your feedback
is well-taken
and to your
point, most of
the issues you
mention are
being
addressed.<br>
<br>
</div>
-Kevin<br>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Wed, Oct 26,
2016 at 4:04
AM, Starchild
<span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net"
target="_blank">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:#cccccc;border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;margin:0px
0px 0px 0.8ex">
<div
style="word-wrap:break-word"><span>
<div>On Oct
25, 2016, at
9:05 PM, Kevin
Ludlow wrote:</div>
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<blockquote
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>
<div>Thanks,
Ken, for the
constructive
position.<br>
</div>
As noted, I
would really
like to get
actual
problems with
the site
organized so
that they can
be tackled.
Staff has been
working on
testing; I
have been
building the
infrastructure.<br>
</div>
It is very
useful to be
informed of
visible
problems so
that we can
address them
so any effort
you're willing
to make in
that regard is
highly
appreciated.<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote
type="cite">~k</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
</span>
<div>Hi Kevin,
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Not
sure whether
you saw my
original post
to the LNC
list informing
on a number of
actual
problems with
the site, but
in case you
missed it,
here it is. In
light of your
explanations
in response to
Chuck and
Caryn, I'm
curious about
one page which
has been
ported over to
the new site
but still
somehow lost
some
information
along the way,
namely the LNC
page (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.lp.org/libertarian-national-committee/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/libe<wbr>rtarian-national-committee/</a>) w<wbr>hich
no longer
lists any
phone numbers
or other
contact info
beyond email
addresses. I
would like my
phone number
[(415)
625-FREE] and
twitter handle
(@StarchildSF)
added to that
page. (Ideally
I think every
LNC member's
listing should
include a
phone number
at which they
can be
contacted.)
Thanks, and
please let me
know if you
have any
questions
about anything
else I wrote
below.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Love
& Liberty,</div>
<div>
((( starchild
)))</div>
<div>At-Large
Representative, Libertarian National Committee</div>
<div>
(415)
625-FREE</div>
<div>
@StarchildSF</div>
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10/25/2016
12:53 PM,
Starchild
wrote:<br>
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<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341m_-8478872869291648195Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Yesterday,
I'm told, the
launch of the
new and
improved <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://LP.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">LP.org</a> website
took place.
And on the
whole, at a
quick look,
I'd say it <i>is</i> an
improvement.
Both
appearance-wise
and
organizationally,
I like the new
site. I
wouldn't call
the difference
earth-shattering, but my initial impression is generally positive.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341m_-8478872869291648195Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>There
are however a
number of
issues that
have come to
my attention
which could
use fixing,
some more
serious than
others:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>• While
the site looks
good on the
web, it looks
terrible on my
phone! The
"Latest News"
boxes show up
as long,
narrow,
unreadable
columns of
type with a
couple letters
on each line.
Considering
how many
people access
websites on
mobile
devices,
fixing this
should be a
high priority.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>• I don't
see either the
"Party of
Principle" or
"Minimum
Government,
Maximum
Freedom"
slogans shown
anywhere (a
search for key
terms doesn't
turn them up).
Nor do I see
the Nolan
Chart except
buried in a
link. Each of
these ought to
be listed
prominently,
imho. The
brief
introduction
statement when
you click on
"Libertarian
Party" at the
top of the
main page is
rather weak
("The
Libertarian
Party (LP) is
your
representative
in American
politics. We
are the only
political
organization
which respects
you as a
unique and
responsible
individual.")</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>• The
more detailed
description of
the party has
a conservative
leaning. Under
"The
Libertarian
Option" (at <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/about/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://libparty.zocalodesi<wbr>gn.com/about/</a> , a URL
that like that
of many pages
should also be
fixed so that
it doesn't
include the
web design
company's
website), it
reads:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>Consider
voting
Libertarian or
joining the
Libertarian
Party because…</div>
<div>
<div
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class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341m_-8478872869291648195faq_answer"><span
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341m_-8478872869291648195teaser">
<ul>
<li>We seek to
substantially
reduce the
size and
intrusiveness
of government
and cut and
eliminate taxes
at every
opportunity.</li>
<li>We believe
that peaceful,
honest people
should be able
to offer their
goods and
services to
willing
consumers
without
inappropriate
interference from government.</li>
<li>We believe
that peaceful,
honest people
should decide
for themselves
how to live
their lives,
without fear
of criminal or
civil
penalties.</li>
<li>We believe
that
government’s
only
responsibility,
if any, should
be protecting
people from
force and
fraud.</li>
</ul>
</span></div>
</div>
</div>
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<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341m_-8478872869291648195Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>The
first two
points above
appeal more to
conservatives
or people on
the right
(economic
freedoms),
while the
second two
points are
more neutral
in terms of
left/right
appeal. There
is no
balancing
appeal to
people on the
left by
explicitly
mentioning
things like a
non-interventionist foreign policy or civil liberties such as ending
Prohibition
and reining in
police abuse.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>• The URL
for the
candidate page
has changed
(hat tip to
Thomas Knapp),
and entering
the former URL
(<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lp.org/2016-libertarian-party-candidates"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.lp.org/2016-libert<wbr>arian-party-candidates</a>)
apparently
now results in
a page error
rather than
connecting
people to the
new page (<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.lp.org/2016-candidates/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/2016-candi<wbr>dates/</a>). </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>• If the
information
about how to
subscribe to
the LNC email
list as a
non-LNC member
got ported
over, I cannot
find it. I
would suggest
listing this
both on the
LNC leadership
page, and on
the LNC
meeting
archives page.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>• The LNC
page only
lists email
addresses.
Previously at
least a couple
LNC members'
listings
included phone
number and/or
other info
such as
Twitter
address, but
now those
listings are
gone and only
email
addresses are
listed. I
would
personally
like my phone
number and
Twitter handle
listed, and
encourage my
colleagues to
request their
phone numbers
likewise be
listed, so
that our
members can
readily reach
us directly as
well as in
writing.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>• Where
email
addresses are
listed on the
website (for
candidates,
LNC members,
staff, college
chapter reps.,
etc.), they
are spelled
out. That's
unfortunately
asking to get
us spammed by
web-crawling
bots that
harvest email
addresses. I
recommend
changing this
so that
addresses are
listed in a
less literal
format such as
Nick.Sarwark[at]LP.org</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>• The
page <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.lp.org/_2016/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/_2016/</a><wbr> mentions
Johnson and
Weld being our
presidential
and VP
candidates,
but the photo
next to the
text is <i>not</i> a
photo of
Johnson and
Weld, but of
Johnson and a
woman I'm
guessing is
his girlfriend
(which is
fine, but
should be
labeled as
such so as not
to give
visitors the
impression
that the
images reflect
the text).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>• Our
bylaws are
referred to in
the info at
the bottom of
each page as
"LNC Bylaws"
rather than
"Libertarian
Party Bylaws"</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>• A
number of
people (staff,
LNC members)
are missing
photos. To
whom can we
send photos of
these
individuals,
if we have
them, as well
as our contact
info updates
for the LNC
page?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341m_-8478872869291648195Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I
realize the
site has just
been updated;
hopefully some
of the above
issues are
being
addressed even
as I type this
message. And
on the bright
side, the new
"candidate
pledges"
section
listing
candidates
who've signed
each pledge is
a nice
addition,
along with the
listing by
name and state
of life
members,
candidates,
and elected
officials, not
to mention the
attractive
photos from
the convention
scattered
throughout the
site. I like
that the
membership and
donation forms
are
single-page,
and that the
FAQ page
addresses
arguments
against
participating
in the system
at all. And I
love the "Help
Us Grow" page
(<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/how-to-help/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://libparty.zocalodesign.<wbr>com/how-to-help/</a>)
and the
addition of a
"worldwide"
link in
addition to
the state
affiliates and
campus
organizations!
But I would
suggest that
link directly
to a list of
the
libertarian
parties around
the world,
with that page
then
containing a
link to and
information
about the
International
Alliance of
Libertarian
Parties. Right
now it
immediately
leads offsite
to the IALP
page, which is
a little
confusing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341m_-8478872869291648195Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>That's
my feedback at
this time. If
staff would
acknowledge
receipt of
this message
and keep us
appraised of
the progress
in addressing
the
above-mentioned
issues, that
would be
great.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Love
& Liberty,</div>
<div>
(((
starchild )))</div>
<div>At-Large
Representative, Libertarian National Committee</div>
<div>
(415)
625-FREE</div>
<div>
@StarchildSF</div>
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<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Tue, Oct 25,
2016 at 10:59
PM, Ken
Moellman <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ken.moellman@lpky.org"
target="_blank">ken.moellman@lpky.org</a>></span>
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<div>I've been
involved in
lots of
various
projects
throughout my
IT career.
This website
project seems
to fit the
stereotypical IT
project. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div>I
personally
don't like the
layout of the
website, but
I'm a grumpy
"old" man who
still
likes 2006-era website
layouts with
drop-down
menus and
whatnot. The
design we
need, however,
is one
targeted
at millenials.
We know this
because of the
Johnson
campaign's
polling.
That's the
future of this
party. I
believe that
this website
accomplishes
that task.
I'd be
interested to
see how it
looks on a
mobile (I'm
also still
using a
Blackberry.
Don't ask.)</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Kevin -
Thank you for
continuing
onward with
this project,
even though
you are no
longer on the
LNC. As one
who's been
embroiled in
volunteer
projects that
have run over
time and over
budget, I know
how much of a
PITA it is to
put the time
in and also
take the
inevitable
hits. I'm sure
you're all too
aware, as
well. But I
wanted to make
sure you knew
that at least
I knew and
recognized
what's up.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Chuck,
and others
with concerns
- Let's make a
list of the
"what's
wrong", try to
prioritize
that list
based on
importance and
easy
of resolution,
and try to
work through
them. Any
website
changeover
will take time
to fix. I know
there are some
"broken links"
where people
externally
linked things
like <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://LP.org/join" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">LP.org/join</a>
... I have a
cool graphic
from The
Advocates that
we used on <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://LPKY.org/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">LPKY.org</a>
that has the
same problem.
These can ad
should be
resolved. </div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>As the
new IT
committee is
formed, I'm
sure we'll be
tasked
with assessing
these issues
and
implementing
fixes. I ask
that everyone
please be
patient. We
have 2 weeks
until the
election is
over. If
there's
anything
election-related
that's not
working, then
we definitely
need to
address that
immediately.
Otherwise,
let's get
through Nov
8th and then
we can push
forward with
this and other
projects.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>---<br>
<p>Ken C.
Moellman, Jr.<br>
LNC Region 3
Alternate
Representative<br>
LPKY Judicial
Committee</p>
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<p>On
2016-10-25
23:38, Caryn
Ann Harlos
wrote:</p>
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<p>Thank you
Kevin. I will
cool my jets
on that issue
for a few days
and check back
in.</p>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></span></div>
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style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">-- <br>
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<div><strong
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span
style="font-size:small">In Liberty,</span></strong></div>
<div><strong
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span
style="font-size:small">Caryn Ann Harlos</span></strong></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Region 1 Representative,
Libertarian
National
Committee (Alaska,
Arizona,
Colorado,
Hawaii,
Kansas,
Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington) - <a
moz-do-not-send="true">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Communications Director, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Colorado State
Coordinator, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></span></div>
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style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"> </span></span></div>
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On Tuesday,
October 25,
2016, Kevin
Ludlow <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ludlow@gmail.com" target="_blank">ludlow@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>No
problem,
Caryn.<br>
<br>
</div>
I wouldn't
even think
days. I would
think A day.
Staff was
tasked with
taking each
page from the
old Drupal
system and
importing it
into the new
one. As far
as I know ALL
pages were
copied over.
They were
copied into 1
of 6 (or so)
different page
templates that
were created
to serve
different
formats of
data. So I'm
certain we
have
everything.
Even if it
hadn't been
copied over,
we still have
it and it
would just
need TO BE
copied over,
but I don't
believe this
is the case.
I believe in
those cases
the links
structure may
have changed.
We have been
updating these
so that all
incoming links
to the old
structure
point to the
appropriate
new structure
and send out
PERMANENT
REDIRECT
notifications
to Google and
such (so
things are
updated).<br>
<br>
</div>
~k</div>
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Tue, Oct 25,
2016 at 10:28
PM, Caryn Ann
Harlos <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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you Kevin.
<div> </div>
<div>That is
why I was
asking staff
about them.
If we are
talking a
matter of days
for that
content - that
is
reasonable.
If moreso, not
so much.</div>
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<div><strong
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style="font-size:small">Caryn Ann Harlos</span></strong></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Region 1 Representative,
Libertarian
National
Committee (Alaska,
Arizona,
Colorado,
Hawaii,
Kansas,
Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington) - <a
moz-do-not-send="true">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></span></div>
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style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Communications Director, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Colorado State
Coordinator, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></span></div>
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On Tuesday,
October 25,
2016, Kevin
Ludlow <<a
moz-do-not-send="true">ludlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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I genuinely am
not trying to
avoid those
issues. I
know content
is there.
What I'm
trying to
convey is that
from my point
of view, if
those
documents are
"opaque" for
another 12
hours, I'm
okay with
that. I
realize you
might not be,
but this goes
back to my
volunteering
work. I have
to prioritize
work that I am
personally
responsible
for.<br>
<br>
</div>
So I will
happily weigh
in with staff
and get links
to them. I
can even check
the admin
pages and see
what the
current URL is
provided they
have been
copied and not
linked.<br>
<br>
</div>
But I really
need to know
if anything is
actually not
functioning.
This is what
my current
workload is.<br>
<br>
</div>
I apologize if
any of that
sounds
dismissive.
It's not my
intent, but I
can't do
specific
projects for
you and/or
Chuck or the
LNC or
whomever else
right now as I
need to make
sure the site
is fully
functional.
If/when it IS
fully
functional
(which it very
well may
already be),
then we can
address any
missing
pieces.<br>
<br>
</div>
~k</div>
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Tue, Oct 25,
2016 at 10:15
PM, Caryn Ann
Harlos <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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you Kevin for
all your
work. <span></span>
<div> </div>
<div>I can't
though not
desire answers
on the minutes
archives and
LNC business
list not being
there. That
is essential
for members
and cannot be
optional.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Can staff
answer when
those can be
restored?
This is an
acceptable
situation of
opacity.</div>
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<div><strong
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span
style="font-size:small">Caryn Ann Harlos</span></strong></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Region 1 Representative,
Libertarian
National
Committee (Alaska,
Arizona,
Colorado,
Hawaii,
Kansas,
Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington) - <a
moz-do-not-send="true">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Communications Director, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Colorado State
Coordinator, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></span></div>
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On Tuesday,
October 25,
2016, Kevin
Ludlow <<a
moz-do-not-send="true">ludlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Caryn,<br>
<br>
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I've always
gotten along
with you just
fine as you're
very
reasonable.<br>
<br>
</div>
In this case,
I respectfully
disagree that
it's useful to
deliver a
6-page rant
citing the "I
told you so"
lines when the
decision has
been done,
executed, and
is live.
Further, I
have been in
this business
for 20 years
now. We had
roughly 2.5
hours of
outages this
morning
between
roughly 7:45AM
and 9:15AM
EST. This was
only because
of the
unknown.
Staff has
spent a lot of
time testing
this
software. It
was rolled
over twice
already and
rolled back
just to ensure
we COULD roll
it back if
there was a
major
problem. The
point being
that we
transitioned
an entire
infrastructure
from 6
services to
ONE, the
monthly cost
savings should
be about $500
once
everything is
in place, and
best I can
tell nothing
is broken -
there are just
complaints
that some
things are
missing (which
they're
definitely
not, but I'll
concede that
perhaps staff
hasn't
finished
adding links -
I honestly
don't know
right now).<br>
<br>
</div>
There are no
major problems
that anyone
has reported
save for the
overloading
this morning.
The page
content was
always
intended to /
has been / and
IS preserved.
If a link
isn't
immediately
visible, then
staff can
correct that
if
appropriate.<br>
<br>
</div>
IF there are
broken links,
namely as a
URL may have
changed and
needs to be
forwarded now,
I would
really,
genuinely like
to know so I
can fix those
problems. I
offered that
to Chuck. I
offered it to
you.<br>
<br>
</div>
That said, we
can start
however
necessary. I
have
ostensibly
worked on this
for 3.5
straight
weeks. That
is not because
of the website
itself, but
rather the
years of
garbaged up
infrastructure.
We would have
rolled the
site out 6
weeks ago if
not for all of
that. My
point being
that I've been
voluntarily
taking on FAR
more work than
was entailed
in the website
redesign
itself because
our
infrastructure
couldn't
handle the
modern
codebase (it
is roughly 8
years out of
spec).<br>
<br>
</div>
I would ask
that you leave
whatever
issues you
have with
content alone
for the time
being. I'm
not saying
they won't be
addressed, I'm
saying that
it's not a
primary
concern. The
primary
concern is
ensuring that
the site is
running so it
can serve up
any content.
IF there is a
problem with
something not
loading, we
need to know
that.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Staff has
copied over
existing pages
and so nothing
is lost or
destroyed or
anything of
this sort.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I need to
convey though,
that I am not
on the clock
for the people
on this
thread. I
have been, and
am continuing
to volunteer a
tremendous
amount of time
to ensure this
is completed
smoothly. I
am happy to
try and fix
things that
are broken.
I'm very
uninterested
in listening
to Mr. Molton
rant on about
his discontent
with the
structure.
It's done.
That ship
sailed in
February.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>So that's
where I'm at.
By all means,
please inform
me of broken
pieces so we
can look at
and correct
anything ASAP.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>~k</div>
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Tue, Oct 25,
2016 at 10:01
PM, Caryn Ann
Harlos <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div> </div>
<div>He was
writing as a
member to a
busy elected
to SERVE
members. That
means
sometimes we
will hear
things we
don't want to
and have to
respond to
very upset
complaints.
No matter what
anyone says -
high-handed
responses are
not
appropriate
IMHO.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>I didn't
agree with
Chuck's desire
to see heads
roll. I said
so
respectfully,</div>
<div> </div>
Can we start
again?
<div> </div>
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<div><strong
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><span
style="font-size:small">Caryn Ann Harlos</span></strong></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Region 1 Representative,
Libertarian
National
Committee (Alaska,
Arizona,
Colorado,
Hawaii,
Kansas,
Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington) - <a
moz-do-not-send="true">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Communications Director, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:small"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Colorado State
Coordinator, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></span></div>
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On Tuesday,
October 25,
2016, Kevin
Ludlow <<a
moz-do-not-send="true">ludlow@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div> </div>
<div>Chuck
opened with
whoever made
the decision
was a MORON
and should be
FIRED. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>I think
my response
was in line. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Regardless,
I remain open
to seeing
links broken.
I'm sure some
still exist.
We launched
the site this
morning. Staff
has spent
weeks testing
the site and
fixing links
and such. I'm
all for fixing
dead links,
but 6 pages of
complaints
without any
information is
not helpful. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Also, I'm
not a member
of the LNC.
I'm a
volunteer
only. So I
don't really
owe anyone
anything. I've
delightfully
put in a
couple hundred
hours so far.
That's the
best I'm
willing to do
at this point
given such a
response. </div>
<div> </div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
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<br>
On Tuesday,
October 25,
2016, Caryn
Ann Harlos
<<a
moz-do-not-send="true">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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that was an
inappropriate
response to
concerns of a
member IMHO-
his concerns
are valid and
shouldn't be
dismissed as
"oh you
Libertarians,
you are a
minority - we
can safely
ignore you."
<div> </div>
<div>Where are
the links to
the LNC
Business list,
the old blog
articles, and
the past
minutes? </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Can we
have the
discussion
without
sarcasm and
without
putting down
Libertarians
as
inconsequential?</div>
<div> </div>
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Liberty,</strong></span></div>
<div><span
style="color:#666666;font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:large"><strong>Caryn
Ann Harlos</strong></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:xx-small">Region
1
Representative,
Libertarian
National
Committee </span><span
style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
Montana, Utah,
Wyoming,
Washington) - <a
moz-do-not-send="true">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:x-small">Communications
Director, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">Libertarian
Party of
Colorado</a></span></div>
<div><span
style="font-size:x-small">Colorado
State
Coordinator, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div>
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Tue, Oct 25,
2016 at 8:19
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Ludlow <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true">ludlow@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hey
Chuck,<br>
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</div>
Thanks for the
constructive
feedback. <br>
<br>
</div>
I'll
delightfully
take
credit/responsibility
for whatever
and all
actions you've
written
about. Please
pardon Nick,
Robert, Wes,
and anybody
else in your
crosshairs.
I'm sure
they'll be
relieved to be
spared.<br>
<br>
</div>
I'm not going
to read that
entire
document
you've sent as
I've spent the
last 3 weeks
trying to fix
the party's
infrastructure
for the
website TO go
live. It was
finished two
days ago, it
was launched
last night.
That was my
call.<br>
<br>
</div>
What would be
useful right
now would be
if you could
point out the
broken links
so that we can
assign
permanent
redirects to
them. Any
page content
that existed
STILL exists.
This has been
made clear
over and over
again. It's
possible that
some page
links have not
been
forwarded, but
I've been
monitoring
logs on all 4
servers all
day and have
not seen many
404s. The
downtime this
morning wasn't
actually from
an outage, but
rather ME
under-predicting
the load our
servers would
take. This is
admittedly
because I
didn't have
any data to go
on because --
well -- we've
not really
ever kept any
before. I
made the best
prediction I
could; I way
under-estimated.
The servers
were scaled up
and unless
you're seeing
something
different, the
site has been
running fine
all day since
about 9:45am
CST. It was
running before
that just fine
too, but the
morning surge
in traffic
overwhelmed
it. <br>
<br>
</div>
So anyway, if
you'd like to
submit broken
links, we'd
love to set up
additional
forwards.
Overall
though, I'm
pretty happy
with the
change. I'm
happy we've
done it before
the election -
even if it
wound up being
delayed from
our proposed
launch of
September
29th.<br>
<br>
</div>
The old site
was very, very
bad. I know
you're a tech
guy all the
way. I know
words resonate
with you and
not colors and
images and
feelings and
emotions. But
you comprise a
very, very,
VERY small
portion of the
American
electorate and
the new site
was designed
to appeal to
people who are
visually
oriented, not
interested in
reading walls
of text, and
might have the
attention span
of a few
seconds at
best (eg: the
vast majority
of people).
It was
designed for
people who
might not care
about the
Libertarian
Party - in
hopes that
something
grabs their
attention and
they begin to
care. We
don't need to
"win over"
existing
Libertarians
-- or at least
one would
think, but
it's honestly
hard to tell
these days.
Regardless, it
was decided.
It's done.
You can hate
it. But I'd
still love
your help in
knowing where
links are
broken instead
of mostly
ignoring
another wall
of text. That
would help
ensure that
it's in good
shape.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>If you'd
like to vent
further, feel
free to call
me at <a
moz-do-not-send="true">512-773-3968</a>
to spare the
group.</div>
<div> </div>
Sincerely,</div>
Kevin</div>
</div>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<div>
<div><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>
<div
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341h5">On
Tue, Oct 25,
2016 at 8:56
PM, Chuck
Moulton <span><<a
moz-do-not-send="true">chuck@moulton.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341h5">LNC
members,<br>
<br>
Many of the
problems I
warned about
have in fact
come to pass.
It is
Cassandra's
Curse: always
right but
never
believed.<br>
<br>
See the
exchange from
IPR quoted
below (in the
P.S.) for
context and
institutional
memory. I'll
quote and
discuss some
of the
highlights
here.<br>
<br>
<br>
WARNING #1:
TRANSITIONS
CAN BE
BOTCHED,
LEADING TO
DOWNTIME — AT
THE WORST TIME
IN THE
ELECTION CYCLE
FOR SUCH
DOWNTIME: THE
PRESIDENTIAL
CAMPAIGN.<br>
<br>
This buggy
transition was
implemented 13
days before
the
presidential
election.
That is the
13th worst day
in a 4 year
cycle to
unveil a new a
new website.
There were/are
1,448 better
days to change
to a new
website in a 4
year cycle.<br>
<br>
Whatever MORON
decided to
switch to a
new website
today instead
of after the
election
should be
immediately
FIRED. Do not
pass go, do
not collect
$200. FIRED.
I can't
imagine a
stupider, more
incompetent,
strategically
insane
decision than
pulling the
plug on a
working
website and
trying out a
new, buggy
website
immediately
before a
presidential
election. It
is INSANE.<br>
<br>
I like staff,
but if Wes
Benedict made
this idiotic
decision, FIRE
HIM
IMMEDIATELY.<br>
<br>
I like much of
the LNC, but
if Nick
Sarwark made
this idiotic
decision,
SUSPEND HIM
FOR CAUSE
IMMEDIATELY
(I'll gladly
recuse myself
as a member of
the Judicial
Committee if
he appeals).<br>
<br>
If Kevin
Ludlow made
this idiotic
decision,
RESCIND THE
FEBRUARY 2016
MOTION GIVING
LUDLOW
UNILATERAL
AUTHORITY OVER
THE LP'S MOST
IMPORTANT
ASSET
IMMEDIATELY.<br>
<br>
Everything we
were told
about a
professional
transition
that does not
suffer from
the pitfalls I
highlighted
was a lie.<br>
<br>
It takes
significantly
more time for
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lp.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">lp.org</a> pages
to load than
before. The
site has been
down on &
off all day
long. For a
while people
were directed
to another
domain
whenever they
went to a LP
page: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">libparty.zocalodesign.com</a>.<br>
<br>
<br>
WARNING #2: A
LOT OF CONTENT
IS REMOVED.
LACK OF THAT
CONTENT MAKES
IT MUCH HARDER
TO ENERGIZE
PROSPECTS; GET
DONATIONS,
VOLUNTEERS,
AND
CANDIDATES;
AND TRAIN
LIBERTARIANS
ON BEST
PRACTICES.<br>
<br>
In fact (as
predicted), a
lot of content
has been
removed from <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://lp.org/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">lp.org</a>.<br>
<br>
For example,
as chair of
the Judicial
Committee I
wonder what
happened to
the webpage
listing bylaws
mandated
committee
members?<br>
<br>
Where is the
link to the LP
Business list?<br>
<br>
Where are the
LNC minute
archives
before 2015?<br>
<br>
I could go on
and on, but I
cover this
point more
broadly in my
next unheeded
warning.<br>
<br>
I was
repeatedly
assured that
content would
not be
removed,
except that
the front page
would be made
less
cluttered.
That was a
lie.<br>
<br>
<br>
WARNING #3:
BOTH CONTENT
REMOVAL AND
TRANSITIONS TO
A NEW SYSTEM
MAY LEAD SOME
PAGES TO BE
REMOVED OR
MOVED,
BREAKING LINKS
TO PARTS OF
THE SITE FROM
ALL AROUND THE
INTERNET AND
MAKING US LOOK
UNPROFESSIONAL
WITH 404
ERRORS.<br>
<br>
The number of
404 errors is
shocking!
Activists have
been out there
for months /
years
promoting our
website by
linking to it
-- especially
during this
presidential
election.
Most of those
links are now
broken.<br>
<br>
Just try
clicking on
many of these
links:<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.google.com/search?site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.org&oq=site%3Alp.org"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.google.com/search?<wbr>site=&source=hp&q=site%3Alp.or<wbr>g&oq=site%3Alp.org</a><br>
<br>
I've been told
the solution
is just to
report each
broken link.
That is
ridiculous!
It is
completely
unprofessional
for a website
transition to
be reactive
instead of
proactive --
especially
given that
broken links
probably
number in the
thousands. We
were assured
that this
would be a
professional
transition,
but that was a
lie.<br>
<br>
<br>
</div>
</div>
WARNING #4: A
NEW SYSTEM
REQUIRES
RETRAINING
STAFF ON
PROCESSES —
TIME THAT
COULD HAVE
BEEN DEVOTED
TO OTHER
THINGS. EVEN
AFTER
RETRAINING
THERE WILL BE
A LEARNING
CURVE... EXTRA
TIME FOR
WEBSITE
RELATED TASKS
THAT COULD
HAVE BEEN
DEVOTED TO
OTHER THINGS.
<div>
<div
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341h5"><br>
<br>
In fact (as
predicted),
staff has
mentioned that
the website
transition has
taken staff
time that
could have
been devoted
to other
matters in
this busy
election
season.<br>
<br>
Wes Benedict
wrote:<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/006577.html"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc<wbr>-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00657<wbr>7.html</a><br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">I
hope we can
get those
things below
implemented
early in 2017,<br>
however, and
get back to
LPedia and
many other
projects, but
first<br>
we're trying
to roll out
the new <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://LP.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">LP.org</a>
website.</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
WARNING #5:
INTERNAL
SCRIPTS THAT
CURRENTLY
AUTOMATICALLY
SHOOT DATA TO
STATE
AFFILIATES
SUCH AS THE
VOLUNTEER
FORM, THE WANT
TO BE A
CANDIDATE
FORM, THE INFO
FORM, ETC. MAY
STOP WORKING,
WHICH WOULD
DEPRIVE STATES
OF A VALUABLE
SOURCE OF
LEADS DURING A
TRANSITION
PERIOD.<br>
<br>
Do these all
still work? I
don't know. I
can't
currently test
this as I am
not a state
chair right
now. I hope
someone is
testing this
stuff. Based
on all of the
other
monumental
errors
highlighted
above, I
certainly
don't trust
whoever
oversaw the
website
transition to
have done this
testing.<br>
<br>
<br>
You all made a
monumental
error when you
voted on this
website.
Please do
whatever you
can to
minimize the
damage and
triage the
website that
is being
butchered
before your
very eyes. I
hope the lost
content can be
restored and
the bugs can
be fixed
ASAP. Even if
everything is
fixed within
the next week
though, the
timing is
still
horrendous.<br>
<br>
Chuck Moulton<br>
Life Member
& Monthly
Pledger,
Libertarian
Party<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
P.S. See below
for context on
this botched
website
transition and
eerily
accurate
prophesies
from people
with a clue.<br>
<br>
Kevin Ludlow
wrote:<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004164.html"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc<wbr>-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00416<wbr>4.html</a><br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">1)
Our website is
a joke. I mean
a real,
horrible,
laughable,
"maybe<br>
it's 1996 and
the www
portion of the
internet has
just been<br>
unleashed"
joke. It's got
ridiculous
internal ads
all over it.
It's<br>
terribly
organized. It
uses bad
images. It has
an outdated
font, not<br>
great font
colors, and
antiquated
font-spacing
and sizing. It
barely<br>
functions on
mobile
devices. It's
full of
information it
doesn't need<br>
to have. It
conveys that
we're not a
serious
organization.</blockquote>
<br>
Kevin Ludlow
wrote:<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business_hq.lp.org/2016/004283.html"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc<wbr>-business_hq.lp.org/2016/00428<wbr>3.html</a><br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">We
want to do all
of these
things. So I'm
asking you,
just stop what<br>
you're doing
for 30
seconds,
reflect what
could happen
if we<br>
actually tried
to accomplish
this one
little task.
What is the
WORST<br>
that could
happen? We
fail? We're in
a very
slightly worse
financial<br>
position than
we already
are? But now
consider what
is the BEST
that<br>
could happen?
Maybe this
tailspin of a
cash hole
we're in
stops.<br>
MAYBE people
would see that
the LNC is
doing
something
external.<br>
MAYBE people
would have
their morale
boosted just a
little bit and<br>
be more
inclined to
donate. MAYBE
we could use
it as a way to<br>
leverage
requesting
donations from
people.</blockquote>
<br>
Chuck Moulton
wrote:<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321872"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://independentpoliticalrep<wbr>ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na<wbr>tional-committee-meeting-strea<wbr>ming-now/#comment-1321872</a><br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341h5">What's
the worst that
can happen?
It's not
$20,000
wasted. That
is<br>
</div>
</div>
pretty stupid
thinking
there...
accounting
rather than
economics. The<span><br>
worst that can
happen is the
site is much
worse than
before. A lot<br>
of content is
removed. Lack
of that
content makes
it much harder
to<br>
energize
prospects; get
donations,
volunteers,
and
candidates;
and<br>
train
libertarians
on best
practices. A
new system
requires<br>
retraining
staff on
processes —
time that
coupd have
been devoted
to<br>
</span> other
things. Even
after
retraining
there will be
a learning
curve...<span><br>
extra time for
website
related tasks
that could
have been
devoted to<br>
other things.
Will
conversion of
new visitors
go up with a
new<br>
flashy styled
website?
Maybe, but it
could also go
down, which is
a<br>
potential
cost. This is
especially
likely when
the focus is
on<br>
design/style
rather than
the technical
features under
the hood. When<br>
content is
removed it may
piss off
current donors
and activists,
who<br>
may reduce
their
donations and
activism. Both
content
removal and<br>
transitions to
a new system
may lead some
pages to be
removed or<br>
moved,
breaking links
to parts of
the site from
all around the<br>
Internet and
making us look
unprofessional
with 404
errors. New<br>
sites often
start out with
a few bugs and
errors which
can take a<br>
</span> while
to track
down... the
site may look
less
professional
in the<span><br>
interim.
Transitions
can be
botched,
leading to
downtime — at
the<br>
worst time in
the election
cycle for such
downtime: the
presidential<br>
campaign.
Internal
scripts that
currently
automatically
shoot data to<br>
state
affiliates
such as the
volunteer
form, the want
to be a<br>
candidate
form, the info
form, etc. may
stop working,
which would<br>
deprive states
of a valuable
source of
leads during a
transition<br>
</span>
period. That's
just what I
could come up
with off the
top of my
head...<span><br>
there are
probably a lot
more.</span></blockquote>
<span> <br>
Kevin Ludlow
wrote:<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1321907"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://independentpoliticalrep<wbr>ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na<wbr>tional-committee-meeting-strea<wbr>ming-now/#comment-1321907</a><br>
</span>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex"><span>I've
launched many
large scale
sites just in
the past year
and not a<br>
single one of
those sites
had any of the
problems
you're
referring<br>
to. They DID –
when they were
on our
development
and testing
servers<br>
– but not when
they went into
production.
That's how web
launches<br>
are done
professionally.
A thorough
maintenance
schedule would
also<br>
be implemented
and the
website would
be designed
for minimal<br>
</span>
maintainability
in the first
place. ...also
in accordance
with best<br>
practices.</blockquote>
<span> <br>
Kevin Ludlow
wrote:<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322226"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://independentpoliticalrep<wbr>ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na<wbr>tional-committee-meeting-strea<wbr>ming-now/#comment-1322226</a><br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">Furthermore,
there is
absolutely NO
intention to
remove
Libertarian<br>
content from
the website.
This crowd has
an astounding
ability to<br>
spin
half-truths
and bake them
into something
entirely
different. I<br>
will clarify
specifically
what is meant
by moving them
around.<br>
<br>
The FRONT PAGE
of a website
(for a
non-profit,
business, or
any<br>
other
organization)
is NOT to
leave people
with walls of
text. It is<br>
to create a
fast and
positive
impression and
to get a call
to<br>
action.<br>
<br>
Having dozens
and dozens of
options is
incredibly
poor design,<br>
thoroughly
proven to be
ineffective,
and generally
an archaic<br>
website idea.
The current
website is not
responsive; it
does not work<br>
well (and not
at all in some
cases) on
mobile and
tablet
devices.</blockquote>
<br>
Chuck Moulton
wrote:<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/02/libertarian-national-committee-meeting-streaming-now/#comment-1322257"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://independentpoliticalrep<wbr>ort.com/2016/02/libertarian-na<wbr>tional-committee-meeting-strea<wbr>ming-now/#comment-1322257</a><br>
</span>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex"><span>Great!
Somehow in all
your emails to
the LNC (I
read every LNC<br>
business list
email) you
never
mentioned
anything about
the<br>
transition
process. All
you talk about
is
design/style.<br>
<br>
If you can
manage a
transition
process well,
that's
wonderful. It<br>
certainly
hasn't been
done in the
past. The
transition
from FoxPro<br>
</span> to
Raiser's Edge
was a
disaster... it
resulted in
states not
receiving<span><br>
working dumps
for a year and
a lot of
records being
screwed up<br>
(e.g.,
deceased
coming back to
life, etc.).
During the
website<br>
transition a
decade ago,
the LNC
meeting
minutes
archive and
the<br>
Success 97 and
Success 99
seminars were
removed.<br>
<br>
See the IT
Committee
discussion and
report (pp.
15-16, pp.
51-59):<br>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.lp.org/archives/lnc20061111.pdf" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/archives/ln<wbr>c20061111.pdf</a><br>
<br>
If there will
be no
transition
hiccups,
that's
wonderful
news. You<br>
still didn't
address all
the scripts on
the website
right now and<br>
the technical
considerations
Shane
discussed.<br>
<br>
I'm concerned
about giving
management of
the transition
job who only<br>
</span> talks
about
design/style,
wants to
remove content
(supposedly...
<div>
<div
class="m_-7520360452250906315m_-7646747038558110815m_-8144310119133262581m_-7944694660060164572m_-5494815614505641290m_-1373288323387311341h5"><br>
though I see
you have now
clarified
that), and
never mentions
a<br>
transition
plan to
minimize
problems.<br>
<br>
It's great
that you're
finally
talking about
a transition
plan! It's<br>
not my fault
it's the first
I've heard of
it though.<br>
<br>
There are lots
of people in
the LP (myself
included) who
have seen<br>
transitions
mismanaged and
are worried of
a repeat of
those<br>
disasters.
We're not
saying the sky
is going to
fall because
of you.<br>
We're saying
the sky has
fallen in the
past, we have
documented<br>
evidence of
this, and you
don't seem as
on top of the
process as we<br>
would hope to
prevent
similar
problems. (You
also seem to
lack the<br>
institutional
memory to be
aware of these
past issues.)
That's a<br>
matter of you
not
communicating
your
transition
plan and
experience,<br>
not a matter
of us being
overly
pessimistic.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">I'm
sorry you've
had people
half-ass these
efforts in the
past. I<br>
definitely
cannot say I'm
surprised. I
focus on style
because to the<br>
external
world, style
IS the most
important
thing. This in
no way<br>
means I
neglect the
engine, but in
20 years of
delivering
projects,<br>
nearly 100% of
clients will
respond
positively to
a broken
system<br>
that looks
amazing over a
badass
functioning
system that
looks ugly.<br>
It's just
psychology.
Again, it
doesn't mean
it doesn't all
get<br>
done.</blockquote>
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<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">I've
found
libertarians
have a
different
psychology
than much of
the<br>
world. The
tech saavy
folks will
feel talked
down to or
ignored if<br>
you only talk
about style,
ignoring tech
under the
hood. The<br>
ideological
folks will
feel defensive
if you malign
content. I
fall<br>
in both
categories, as
do others on
this thread.<br>
<br>
Just something
to keep in
mind for the
future.</blockquote>
<br>
Stewart Flood
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">So
they're
creating a new
website
committee and
giving it
authority<br>
to screw
everything up
without having
to go back to
the LNC to get<br>
approval on
which one of
their pals
they give the
money to?</blockquote>
<br>
Chuck Moulton
wrote:<br>
<a
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<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">Yes,
they created a
new committee
with unlimited
power over the<br>
website. Then
they spent the
whole time
debating an
irrelevant<br>
$10,000.</blockquote>
<br>
Chuck Moulton
wrote:<br>
<a
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<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
#cccccc;padding-left:1ex">I
am hugely
concerned
about giving
any one person
carte blanche
over<br>
the website.</blockquote>
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