<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Starchild,<br><br></div>On a positive note, thank you very much for the screenshots. These are useful. I will review them with Deb in the morning and we'll try to run an emulator for the Android 4.3 (if I can't find someone with that). If you happen to discover the OS is a different version than you'd previously stated, OR if you happen to use some kind of 3rd party browser or whatnot, please do let me know as it would greatly impact the change as I am sure you can appreciate.<br><br></div>On a less positive note, I'm frankly kind of beside myself with your response to me. I think sometimes people within the Libertarian Party get confused when others don't share their enthusiasm for certain things. But rarely is there a moment of self-reflection to requests. No doubt I've been guilty of the same thing before, but I certainly do my very best NOT to have this attitude. I try to use a lot of please and thank yous and almost never make a demand. I was no doubt occasionally a pain in the ass when I served on the LNC, but tried to limit that exclusively to other LNC members and/or staff. It was a fight just to get this website started, but I fought that, won (I suppose), and then saw it through. So here we are - lots and lots of effort later and I'm still ticking away.<br><br><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"> If the data you feel requires secrecy is scattered throughout the document, then I would ask you to highlight those portions in red, and provide us with specific reasoning for why you think it would be undesirable for LP members not on the LNC to have access to that information. <br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I thought I had phrased it kindly to Caryn and my apologies if I did not. I will NOT do this. I have already invested a lot of time into this. I'm simply NOT going to do additional work because people cannot respect a simple request. I compared the contents of this to private banking information. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span class="m_1398547952672728922Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>But while your input on what you think our decision should be is welcome and indeed encouraged, with all due respect it is not your decision to make. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again, the arrogance in this is astounding. You wrote to not an hour ago how none of the technological components I had written about made sense to you. I know this is the case of almost all LNC members. Meanwhile I've worked in this specific field for my entire adult (and teenage) life. I don't think you could possibly explain to me why the contents of such a document could be sensitive to hackers and the like. But I can tell you. And that's why I did.<br><br>But more to the point, I don't owe you or the LNC anything at all. I've spent a great deal of time compiling this report in hopes that it would HELP the LNC, nothing more. I saw it as a generous gesture especially as I've noted time and again how we don't document anything. Technological infrastructure requires a great deal of documentation. It's ALL incredibly sensitive. I went into great technological depth on purpose in hopes that others with the appropriate skillset would have a strong starting position. And revealing ANY of the document inherently reveals our security infrastructure. This is not okay. I'm baffled that I have to explain this. This is not the discussion with John Moore not wanting certain components of his letter circulated. This is genuine security detail.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>If the LNC decides to keep information secret, that's a decision for the elected members of the LNC to make,</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again, this is ostensibly false. I am under no obligation whatsoever to send anything to anyone at anytime. It's mind-boggling to me that I should spend any of my free time at all (of which this has taken at least 3-4 hours to compile so far) only to be dismissed like a schoolchild. This is usually when I would go into that longer rant about the key element typically missing from Libertarianism - basic common goodness and kindness between people. A response of "Hey Kevin, that's super awesome you spent time documenting our server infrastructure. Finally!! Somebody did it. This will save somebody else countless hours in the future. Thanks for doing that"<br><br>Instead I'm warped into some bizarre black and white bubble of rules and regulations where it's impossible to cooperate as a normal human being. <br><br></div><div>I mentioned the confidentiality thing only to illustrate the importance of keeping our technology secret. I've just spent the past 36 straight days re-tooling all of this for the benefit of the Libertarian Party. You'll have to forgive me for stupidly believing that I might be given the benefit of the doubt about my concerns for the document being extremely sensitive in its nature. I even explained that the **only** reason an external person would have an interest in the document would be if they intended to hack our system. Beyond that it's just neat to know since none of it can just be changed at someone's request. A hacker would know exactly what tools we were using and so exactly what tools to use to start their hack. Again, the fact that I have to explain this...<br><br></div><div>I'm simply not interested in providing anybody that convenience after I've just volunteered my time to set it up. I cannot imagine that you'd volunteer your time to fix it should something happen. <br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div> You are not currently an elected representative, which means there is no way for LP members to hold you accountable for any decision you might make, wisely or otherwise.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Correct. So the end result is that I will instead hold a simple meeting on the phone and explain the details of it to internal staff and just skip the LNC altogether. If I happen to talk to one or five of them on the phone independently, perhaps I'll share with them too at their request. But at this point I'll just NOT provide it.<br><br></div><div>I would mention again though that it's simply impossible to even attempt to do something proactive for this organization at times. You didn't even know such a report existed until I mentioned it because I'm obviously under no obligation to provide one. So of course there is a set of responses explaining to me that nothing will be held confidentially, that I should spend time and mark up what makes it easier for you to dissect, and you'll still share it how you ultimately see fit because responsibility can fall on the members, blah blah blah. It's just fucking rude, man. Figure it out yourself if you're inclined. That's my official response to that.<br><br></div><div>I just haven't the patience for this kind of bullshit any more. Somebody needs to say it.<br><br></div><div>Love & Liberty indeed ;)<br><br></div><div>~k<br></div><div> <br><br><div>On Nov 3, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:</div><br class="m_4376636860317192234Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Starchild,<br><br></div>We will have to take a look at what's happening with Android. If you're able to take a screen capture of it and send it to me, that would be useful. Otherwise we'll do some simulations on the Android 4.3 emulator and see what happens.<br><br></div>If it's still doing it then it's definitely a bug. Because we use a responsive layout (meaning things operate differently for different devices) it does appear to be limited. Still, we'll add it as something to tackle.<br><br>> I urge you to list separately any issues you really think must be kept
secret, so that we can confidently share the bulk of the information
where I'm sure that is not a concern with our membership<br><br></div>Unfortunately in this case, though very much by design, the report is mangled together with details of the server infrastructure spread all over the place. Regarding your comments, I will send out an email and get people to agree to hold it in confidentiality before sending it to anyone. Anyone who cannot agree to that simply needn't read it. The contents within the document are tantamount to sharing bank account information. I wouldn't think we'd need to get people to agree NOT to publish such material, but if that's the case then I will be sure to ask first and only send the report to those who understand the sensitivity of the contents.<br><br></div>~k <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 3, 2016 at 10:46 PM, Starchild <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" target="_blank">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Kevin, </div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Thank you for your explanation of your revised savings estimate. Although the technical details on that don't mean much to me, the information may be useful to some reading this.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>After some searching, I found where to clear the cache on my phone and did that, as well as deleting the browser history (the browser I'm using is MetroWEB, if that matters), but upon loading the <a href="http://LP.org/" target="_blank">LP.org</a> page afterward it did not seem to make any difference – the text boxes under the "Latest News" and "Libertarians in the News" headings still appear as very narrow columns displayed side by side so that only a couple letters of text appear on each line, rendering them effectively illegible. Please let me know if you have any other ideas about tests or adjustments you'd like me to try.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Regarding your promised report, I urge you to list separately any issues you really think must be kept secret, so that we can confidently share the bulk of the information where I'm sure that is not a concern with our membership (in another message you wrote, "Once I finish the report I will gladly share it provided that the LNC DOES agree to keep it confidential"). We need to minimize the amount of secrecy in our operations, and if the LNC does opt to maintain secrecy on something in a particular case, that should be as a result of a vote of the body, not a decision that is imposed on us by volunteers or contractors.</div><span><div><br></div><div>Love & Liberty,</div><div> ((( starchild )))</div><div>At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee</div><div> (415) 625-FREE</div><div> @StarchildSF</div><div><br></div><br></span><div><div class="m_4376636860317192234h5"><div><div>On Nov 3, 2016, at 6:20 PM, Kevin Ludlow wrote:</div><br class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Starchild,<br><br></div>Thanks for your response.<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Black humor aside, I regret to say that even the problem with the home page that I identified as a high priority issue with the new website in the list of problems I was able to find immediately after the rollout appears to remain uncorrected. I just pulled up <a href="http://LP.org/" target="_blank">LP.org</a> on my phone again (Android, version 4.3 if it matters) and am still seeing the same issue (see boldfaced item in recopied Oct. 25 message at bottom of this email).</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There was a bug whereby the boxes were displaying across the entire page. This resulted in someone internally attempting to tweak the CSS. We code was updated sometime last week and distributed across our servers in the server pool. I don't know if perhaps your phone is caching the old version, though it shouldn't be. I will say that it fixed it on my iPhone and we've indeed tested it with other Androids without seeing that. I don't know how to clear your cache on the phone, but would you mind trying that if you know how?<br><br></div><div>I'd also note that there is a difference between bugs and things that people want. For example, it may be desired to write "Party of Principle" (or whatnot) on the website, but its exclusion is certainly not a bug. I just want to be clear about that as it does make it difficult to communicate when people are telling me there are bugs and then it's a preference. The visual aspect from your phone IS a bug, though as noted, it should be resolved. Incidentally, and somewhat to my surprise, the Android Browser has accounted for a mere 0.29% of ALL of our traffic since we launched. Not that it doesn't count, but in terms of prioritization, if it turns out to be a bug and not a caching issue, I hope you can immediately understand why it would have less priority. This is simply the nature of organizing development cycles. It's very utilitarian, I suppose.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div> <span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>If the revised time estimate below from Wes is correct, and getting most of the bugs out is going to be a matter of weeks </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again, this is where the language comes in. The wide boxes you mentioned was the only bug we were aware of and fixed it. 95% of the work I've been doing on the site has to do with fixing the infrastructure. All of this is entirely invisible to you and is for disaster-recovery, basic backups, availability of servers, and etc. The fact that content may not have been copied over yet is not a bug. I mention it only because THAT is what is taking time for staff to catch up on and I know they've been working very hard on it among other things.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div> and that his advice ought to have been heeded. Surely we could have upped the promotion of our presidential candidate by adding some additional images and stories to the home page before the election without overhauling the entire site?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Again, I respectfully disagree with the sentiment. It's a matter of opinion no doubt, but we differ here.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>On a more positive note (I think), I see that Kevin writes, "Our infrastructure has been spread over 6 different services (we require just 1) and on my current estimate has been costing us over $10,000 / year in unnecessary expenses." That's up from his Oct. 25 estimate of around $6000 </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes. Again, this is still an estimate, but there are reasons for the adjustment. For one, there were a few other services we are running that I was not aware of that can all be condensed into our new AWS infrastructure. None of these are huge MRCs, but they do add up over 12 months. The bigger thing, and something you'll have detailed in my report, has to do with AWS billing servers hourly instead of daily or monthly. <br><br></div><div>We are currently running 5 servers in AWS. The DEV server will be shutdown automatically unless it needs to be used. The EXT server (for lpedia and such) must remain up 100% of the time. There are three PROD servers running in a pool that serve <a href="http://lp.org/" target="_blank">lp.org</a>. Two of these three will be shutdown each night from around 12am EST until about 7am EST. We can get more specific in time, but that's my estimate for now. Instead of being billed 72 hours per day for our PROD machines, we will be billed 58 hours per day. This is something we cannot do on Rackspace.<br><br></div><div>Cutting out Rackspace, Softlayer, GoDaddy, and Network Solutions paired with shutting down our servers during low-traffic hours of operation is where the new estimate comes from. Admittedly it will take some time to get all of that accomplished. I have noted that as I am not being paid, I will not be keeping up the hours that I have been. It's entirely unreasonable. Still, in time we will have all of these services condensed and should save roughly what I am estimating. It will be significant either way.<br><br></div><div>~k<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br><div><br></div><br><div><span><div>On Nov 3, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Wes Benedict wrote:</div></span><blockquote type="cite">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"><span><p>The website has come a long way, but we have a lot of work yet to
do on it. I have personally instructed various staff members to
focus on certain things in front of others. While getting bylaws
up and new LNC photos is a priority, it may still be a while
before we get those up. Again, I have told staff there are higher
priorities in the short run.</p><p>things that have displayed poorly on the home page are a higher
priority for now. For example, below is taken from an email I sent
to staff on some things we had to do for the home page.</p><p><br>
</p></span><p><span><jhdombdmkmemceac.png></span></p><span><p>If I inaccurately promised some things in a few days, I revise
that estimate to a few weeks. <br>
</p><p>We are making progress. But again, especially while we were
having some issues with files and images appearing and then
disappearing, I have told staff to focus on certain other things.<br>
</p><p>Thanks,<br>
</p>
<pre class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772moz-signature" cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
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<div class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2016 6:05 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
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<div dir="ltr">Hello, I am following up on the several things I
was assured would be resolved shortly (likely a few days) that
remain unresolved.
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<div>First, the minutes archives is not yet restored. These are
required by the Bylaws, and I must object once again that we
have a non-Bylaws-complaint page up.</div>
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<div>Second, the LNC members photos have partially disappeared.
I have been getting a ton of publicity for the LPCO in CO and
when the news there is looking up my credentials, they see an
<a href="http://LP.org/" target="_blank">LP.org</a> LNC page that is incomplete.l</div>
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<div>I waited well past the few days discussed to followup. </div>
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<div>Yes the election is coming up but our Bylaws are our Bylaws
and having an incomplete page looks bad when people are
looking us up.<br clear="all">
</div></div></blockquote></span></div></blockquote><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Oct 25, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Starchild wrote:</div><br class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Yesterday, I'm told, the launch of the new and improved <a href="http://LP.org/" target="_blank">LP.org</a> website took place. And on the whole, at a quick look, I'd say it <i>is</i> an improvement. Both appearance-wise and organizationally, I like the new site. I wouldn't call the difference earth-shattering, but my initial impression is generally positive.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>There are however a number of issues that have come to my attention which could use fixing, some more serious than others:</div><div><br></div><div><b>• While the site looks good on the web, it looks terrible on my phone! The "Latest News" boxes show up as long, narrow, unreadable columns of type with a couple letters on each line. Considering how many people access websites on mobile devices, fixing this should be a high priority.</b></div><div><br></div><div><div>• I don't see either the "Party of Principle" or "Minimum Government, Maximum Freedom" slogans shown anywhere (a search for key terms doesn't turn them up). Nor do I see the Nolan Chart except buried in a link. Each of these ought to be listed prominently, imho. The brief introduction statement when you click on "Libertarian Party" at the top of the main page is rather weak ("The Libertarian Party (LP) is your representative in American politics. We are the only political organization which respects you as a unique and responsible individual.")</div><div><br></div><div>• The more detailed description of the party has a conservative leaning. Under "The Libertarian Option" (at <a href="http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/about/" target="_blank">http://libparty.zocalodesi<wbr>gn.com/about/</a> , a URL that like that of many pages should also be fixed so that it doesn't include the web design company's website), it reads:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Consider voting Libertarian or joining the Libertarian Party because…</div><div><div class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772faq_answer_container"><div class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772faq_answer"><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772teaser"><ul><li>We seek to substantially reduce the size and intrusiveness of government and cut and eliminate taxes at every opportunity.</li><li>We believe that peaceful, honest people should be able to offer their goods and services to willing consumers without inappropriate interference from government.</li><li>We believe that peaceful, honest people should decide for themselves how to live their lives, without fear of criminal or civil penalties.</li><li>We believe that government’s only responsibility, if any, should be protecting people from force and fraud.</li></ul></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>The first two points above appeal more to conservatives or people on the right (economic freedoms), while the second two points are more neutral in terms of left/right appeal. There is no balancing appeal to people on the left by explicitly mentioning things like a non-interventionist foreign policy or civil liberties such as ending Prohibition and reining in police abuse.</div><div><br></div><div>• The URL for the candidate page has changed (hat tip to Thomas Knapp), and entering the former URL (<a href="http://www.lp.org/2016-libertarian-party-candidates" target="_blank">http://www.lp.org/2016-libert<wbr>arian-party-candidates</a>) apparently now results in a page error rather than connecting people to the new page (<a href="https://www.lp.org/2016-candidates/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/2016-candi<wbr>dates/</a>). </div><div><br></div><div>• If the information about how to subscribe to the LNC email list as a non-LNC member got ported over, I cannot find it. I would suggest listing this both on the LNC leadership page, and on the LNC meeting archives page.</div><div><br></div><div>• The LNC page only lists email addresses. Previously at least a couple LNC members' listings included phone number and/or other info such as Twitter address, but now those listings are gone and only email addresses are listed. I would personally like my phone number and Twitter handle listed, and encourage my colleagues to request their phone numbers likewise be listed, so that our members can readily reach us directly as well as in writing.</div></div><div><br></div><div>• Where email addresses are listed on the website (for candidates, LNC members, staff, college chapter reps., etc.), they are spelled out. That's unfortunately asking to get us spammed by web-crawling bots that harvest email addresses. I recommend changing this so that addresses are listed in a less literal format such as Nick.Sarwark[at]LP.org</div><div><br></div><div>• The page <a href="https://www.lp.org/_2016/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/_2016/</a><wbr> mentions Johnson and Weld being our presidential and VP candidates, but the photo next to the text is <i>not</i> a photo of Johnson and Weld, but of Johnson and a woman I'm guessing is his girlfriend (which is fine, but should be labeled as such so as not to give visitors the impression that the images reflect the text).</div><div><br></div><div>• Our bylaws are referred to in the info at the bottom of each page as "LNC Bylaws" rather than "Libertarian Party Bylaws"</div><div><br></div><div>• A number of people (staff, LNC members) are missing photos. To whom can we send photos of these individuals, if we have them, as well as our contact info updates for the LNC page?</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I realize the site has just been updated; hopefully some of the above issues are being addressed even as I type this message. And on the bright side, the new "candidate pledges" section listing candidates who've signed each pledge is a nice addition, along with the listing by name and state of life members, candidates, and elected officials, not to mention the attractive photos from the convention scattered throughout the site. I like that the membership and donation forms are single-page, and that the FAQ page addresses arguments against participating in the system at all. And I love the "Help Us Grow" page (<a href="http://libparty.zocalodesign.com/how-to-help/" target="_blank">http://libparty.zocalodesign.<wbr>com/how-to-help/</a>) and the addition of a "worldwide" link in addition to the state affiliates and campus organizations! But I would suggest that link directly to a list of the libertarian parties around the world, with that page then containing a link to and information about the International Alliance of Libertarian Parties. Right now it immediately leads offsite to the IALP page, which is a little confusing.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="m_4376636860317192234m_-1973262887120275151m_6410485055449999772Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>That's my feedback at this time. If staff would acknowledge receipt of this message and keep us appraised of the progress in addressing the above-mentioned issues, that would be great.</div><div><br></div><div>Love & Liberty,</div><div> ((( starchild )))</div><div>At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee</div><div> (415) 625-FREE</div><div> @StarchildSF</div></div></blockquote><div><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div></div></div></div><br></div><br>______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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