<div dir="ltr">Can someone answer me if we have a zip of the old site? I understand it is running in parallel right now for staff, but I am really concerned that the data will just go poof. <div><br></div><div><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline">-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div><div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a>Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Member Chuck Moulton helpfully wrote to me to say that the agendas get subsumed and are recorded in the minutes so that would satisfy the Bylaws requirement. I think someone could be a pain and argue differently from the Bylaws that a separate "proposed agenda" and not the final agenda is what is required (that is the strict language of the Bylaws) but I certainly think that since the Agendas are reported in the minutes, the complete spirit and intent is fulfilled as long as the proposed agendas are included with prompt posting of the meeting notices. (I note that the July meeting notice was not posted promptly and I don't think the special session in September was ever publicly noticed other than in this list).<span class=""><div><br></div><div>-- <br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div><div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a>Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:51 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">On another note I see "Bylaws compliance" come up in that discussion. The items that are a subject of Bylaws compliance are old minutes and agendas. And the Bylaws say those are to be on the "Party website" so there is no shunting those off to another site. That is not optional under the Bylaws.<div><br></div><div>FWIW, our old site and our new site are not in compliance when it comes to Agendas. I highly suggest that the Agendas get added - I don't personally see the value, but the Bylaws requires it.</div><div><br></div><div>If we are not keeping LPedia, any archive that is Party property is not satisfied by being on LPedia. It is great if it is there, but as pointed out ,we would not control it. </div><span><div><br></div><div><font size="2" style="color:rgb(80,0,80)"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">-- <br></span></font><div style="color:rgb(80,0,80);font-size:12.8px"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font size="2">In Liberty,</font></b></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font size="2">Caryn Ann Harlos</font></b></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a style="color:rgb(34,34,34)">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></font></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></div><div class="m_5655931170597631342HOEnZb"><div class="m_5655931170597631342h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thank you Wes for giving that top priority.<div><br></div><div>On the other issue, the LP could decide to commit to and keep LPedia. The only reason handing off is on the table is because we let it fall into ruin.</div><div><br></div><div>Archiving is entirely different from deleting - and it is still available. But I see no reason why the archive cannot be on the LP.org site in its own archive section. </div><div><br></div><div>Archiving is about designation, organization. and digital location. </div><div><br></div><div>There is the issue of our SEO on old links.<span><span></span><br><br><br><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><br></span></font></div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">-- <br></span></font><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font size="2">In Liberty,</font></b></div><div><b style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><font size="2">Caryn Ann Harlos</font></b></div><div><font size="2"><span style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a>Caryn.Ann. 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<div>Absolutely. I think we're actually agreeing. </div>
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<div>Please understand that, professionally, I'm in Enterprise Storage and Backup. My entire job revolves around data; keeping it available and secure. I'm not one to "delete" anything, but I'm suggesting that now is the time to take a look at archiving some stuff. By default, we should retain all data. However, it doesn't all need to be on LP.org. </div>
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<div>I do think that leveraging LPedia is one way to handle it. However, I think LPedia is being handed off to LSLA and I don't think LP National can control LSLA and ensure Bylaws compliance. (As a side note, I'm an LPedia contributor and I think it's a good project).</div>
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<p>On 2016-11-16 05:30, Starchild wrote:</p>
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<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Sure Ken, let's take a look. If you or someone else suggest that a particular document or category of materials be transferred to another site, and everyone looks at it and agrees it doesn't need to be maintained on <a href="http://LP.org" target="_blank">LP.org</a>, fine. But if you try to use the implementation of a site revamp as an opportunity to by fait accompli bury or trash material that other people don't want buried or trashed, then the next time you want to update the website (or anything else), some people are likely to remember what you tried to do this time and not trust you.</div>
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<div>On Nov 15, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Ken Moellman wrote:</div>
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<div> As a new member of the LNC, I wasn't involved in any of the original decisions. I would have said the same thing then, too. This is the right time to examine content. Why move over what is unnecessary? Let's take a look now.</div>
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<div>There was also talk at one time - several years ago - of splitting the website into two sites; one all about marketing the LP, and the other for the back-office and more technical stuff (like bylaws and meeting minutes and whatnot). Both publicly available, but one being very simple and the other being more of the document repository and archive.</div>
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<div>I'd rather not talk about re-engineering a brand new website with the new one being wrapped up. But it's all stuff to think about. I do personally think a sleek "first impression" site might be a worthwhile item to examine.</div>
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<p>On 2016-11-15 23:04, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:</p>
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<p>And - as I said. The prediction of members is coming true. It was said then that this move would be an excuse to delete content. I get called paranoid.... and now we see an apologetic for just that. </p>
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<div>There is sentiment to delete content and there was "appears" to be purposeful ideological rebranding of the masthead that should be an LNC level decision.</div>
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<div>Just like members expressed fears about and were assured would not happen.</div>
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<div>And now are said to be paranoid. Or characterized as hyper critics.<span></span></div>
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<div><span></span><br><br>On Tuesday, November 15, 2016, Ken Moellman <<a>ken.moellman@lpky.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>It's not about the cost of storage, really, but the amount of clutter.</div>
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<div>For instance, somewhere I have every email I have ever sent or received (except 94-97). Why? It's not like I look at them. And it makes searching for something that much more difficult. </div>
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<div>But I never quite get around to purging out data I don't need anymore because I never have a reason to even get into that old mail. If I ever had a reason, I might start cleaning it up. </div>
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<div>I even went and re-purchased a software license for $25 because it wasn't worth my time to go back through all of that data to try to save $25. </div>
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<div>The point is to avoid being a hoarder. While keeping 20-year-old newspapers in stacks around the house has no monetary cost, there are other hidden and not so hidden costs. </div>
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<div>While we're going through the house anyway, let's toss some garbage. It wasn't garbage 20 years ago, certainly, but now.... well. </div>
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<p>On 2016-11-15 18:32, Starchild wrote:</p>
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<div><span style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Were we somehow running into space limitations on how much is stored at <a href="http://LP.org/" target="_blank">LP.org</a>? I'm not aware of any such issue. Assuming there is no urgency on getting older material off the site, I think any content proposed to be removed from <a href="http://LP.org/" target="_blank">LP.org</a> should first be submitted to the LNC, so that any of us can flag for discussion any material that we <em>don't</em> believe should be transferred (what you said about the decision being "conscientiously made"). <a href="http://LPedia.org/" target="_blank">LPedia.org</a> would be a natural place to archive older, less useful material, but that site needs to be made fully functional and accessible. Unless there is some kind of urgent technical need, I don't think anything should be removed from <a href="http://LP.org/" target="_blank">LP.org</a>, or not ported over to the revamped site, until it has an immediate new home where members can readily access it.</div>
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<div> There is a question of whether or not we should let some data expire. At some point, the value of the information decreases to a point that it is practically useless. At that point, it should be archived, but not kept on the main site. But what goes away is a decision that should be conscientiously made by someone.</div>
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<div>Is the old website still hiding somewhere where the LNC members can access it? It might be good to dump every node from the old Drupal site and have some decision-makers determine the value of each page. </div>
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<div>Wes - My 3PM went long and I have another engagement until 8PM. If you're around after 8:30PM Eastern feel free to give me a call.</div>
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<p>On 2016-11-15 17:06, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:</p>
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<p>Sam - while clever - there is absolutely zero reason we should have data loss simply because we have a new site. That must be a conscious LNC decision. I do not intend on letting this drop.<span></span></p>
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<div>Further - and as you know because I was one of the loudest complaining members - members were assured that there would be no content culling. Members then expressed skepticism at that promise and felt they were being a fed a load of hooey.</div>
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<div>Let's not show that they in fact were.</div>
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<div>The look of the site is nice. The ideological rebranding and the loss of content is precisely what members were promised would not happen.<span></span> </div>
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<div>Unless the LNC makes some decision on this to settle it- and then members can act accordingly - I have zero intention of letting this drop.</div>
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<div>This is unacceptable and against all assurances given to our members.</div>
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<div>I will note well that a lot of that content was generated and put up by paid staff. Paid by members. And now gone.</div>
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<div>Grumpy cat says nope. </div>
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<div>To answer Ken's question. Unless we are going to concede the LNC and website committee lied to members, then no one can make a decision to omit content. And in any event that is not APRC. APRC could potentially require that this Bylaws violation be done before anything else. But the rest is outside their scope.</div>
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<div>This is an LNC level decision.</div>
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<div>Just like the purposeful masthead rebranding.<span></span></div>
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<p>Ken, the technical issues with the website definitely have not been resolved.</p>
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<div>I believe the technical issues have been resolved with the website at this point. Things look like they're moving pretty quickly and cleanly.</div>
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<div>I know there are issues with the new website regarding content, and we definitely need to resolve them. Certainly we need to put meeting minutes back online, in compliance with the bylaws. Assuming the technical issues are resoled, I'm sure that will happen in the near future. </div>
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<div>But this brings up a larger issue: does everything from before need to be there? How far back do we go? Should every bit of content from the old site be available on the new site? </div>
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<div>Also, I still can't find the Policy Manual, so I don't know if APRC need to approve additions and/or subtractions from the website. If not the APRC, who decides when data expires?</div>
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<div>I was directed to a link I needed for research and..... a 404</div>
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<div>This is not acceptable.</div>
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<div><span style="font-size:12.8px">LNC members,</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">I want to follow up on this point. I was just looking at 404 errors before. In fact, the problem is much, much, much, much worse.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">The candidate listings that do exist (are not 404 errors, were properly redirected) are mostly just stubs that include only their names.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">These are our statewide candidates in Pennsylvania:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/edward-clifford/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>edward-clifford/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/james-babb/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>james-babb/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/roy-minet/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>roy-minet/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">It might be hard to tell they are our statewide candidates because their listings include only the following information:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* LP logo</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* Name</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Their listings DO NOT INCLUDE any of the following information:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* State</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* Office/district</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* Picture</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* Biography</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* Website link</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* Facebook</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* Twitter</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">* Contact info</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">If you think this problem is limited to states with less political connections, you are wrong.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Here are a few listings from people running very active campaigns:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/aaron-starr/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>aaron-starr/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/arvin-vohra/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>arvin-vohra/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/lily-tang-williams/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>lily-tang-williams/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">(Disclosure note: I donated to Aaron Starr's campaign.)</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Here are a few other candidates you may recognize:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/norm-olsen/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>norm-olsen/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/roland-riemers/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>roland-riemers/</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> (404 error)</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/patrick-mcknight/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>patrick-mcknight/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Here is one of the few candidate pages with actual information:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/mark-miller/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>mark-miller/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Note that even that trails off at the end... "As an experienced PhD petroleum engineer and former UT petroleum engineering faculty member, he will undoubtedly be the most qualified candidate on the November 201". Also the Facebook and Twitter links are broken. And it doesn't mention what office he is seeking. Nice that the LNC donated thousands of dollars to his campaign... too bad no one bothered to spend 5 minutes fixing the errors in his candidate listing.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Of course, his old page does not redirect:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-miller/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>liberty-candidates-16/mark-a-m<wbr>iller/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">John Moore is a 404 page:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/john-moore/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>elected-official/john-moore/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/liberty-candidates-16/john-moore/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>liberty-candidates-16/john-moo<wbr>re/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/john-moore/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>john-moore/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">As is Laura Ebke:</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <a style="font-size:12.8px" href="https://www.lp.org/candidates/elected-official/laura-ebke/" target="_blank">https://www.lp.org/candidates/<wbr>elected-official/laura-ebke/</a><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">TODAY IS ELECTION DAY. What a wasted opportunity!!!</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Maybe if we hadn't shut down our working website 2 weeks before the election and replaced it with a buggy new website with 83% data loss and long load times (using a lot of precious staff time at their busiest period), we could have listed and promoted some of our candidates.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Please, please, PLEASE exercise some actual oversight as a board and do something about the critical and embarrassing error torpedoing one of our greatest assets (on the eve of the election): our national </span><a style="font-size:12.8px" href="http://lp.org/" target="_blank">lp.org</a><span style="font-size:12.8px"> website.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">I've received feedback asking me if I was being over the top or facetious suggesting someone should be FIRED or REMOVED FROM THE LNC over this. I was not. I am completely serious. What was done to the website goes beyond a harmless error. It goes beyond reckless. It was NEGLIGENT. Someone should be held accountable for all the damage that has been done to the Libertarian Party -- an organization we all have poured time and money into for decades hoping to see it succeed.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"> <br style="font-size:12.8px"> <span style="font-size:12.8px">Thank you for your consideration.</span><span><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br> <br> Chuck Moulton<br> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party<br> <br> </span></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">P.S. I voted proudly for Gary Johnson and the other Libertarians on the Pennsylvania ballot today.</span></div>
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<br> Kevin,<br> <br> Glad to help!<br> <br> Obviously, it is much easier for you to see what redirects need to be made, as you have access to the old website, the new website, and the 404 logs. However, you seem to be having trouble with this, so I'll provide you with the information you need.<br> <br> It would be very difficult to compile a list of all incoming links to <a href="http://lp.org/" target="_blank">lp.org</a> without access to the server logs. Therefore, I used Google's search results, which is a reasonable proxy for outside links. I searched for "site:<a href="http://lp.org/" target="_blank">lp.org</a>", then I did followup searches for all directories I found with "site:<a href="http://lp.org/" target="_blank">lp.org</a> inurl:<a href="http://lp.org/blog" target="_blank">lp.org/blog</a>" (for example) because Google does not list all the results it has indexed without narrow searches. This netted 2,531 unique URLs indexed by Google. I wrote a program in Python to scrape that information.<br> <br> Next, Stewart Flood wrote a Perl program to check every URL on my list and find out whether it threw a 404 error. (He also checked for load times and other information, which we will highlight in a subsequent report.) Sorry this took so long... Stewart was busy watching the World Series. We re-ran the script several times this week to see if staff added any redirects... they only added one page: /contribute. The program can be re-run at any time to track what's been added. Not all of the missing URLs should necessarily be carried forward, but a lot of historical information is no longer present.<br> <br> Our results are included in the attachments. (Note: In the summary page, these are groupings by directory, not the actual URLs.)<br> <br> Basically, 83% of the webpages indexed by Google have not been carried over or properly redirected.<br> <br> <br> In liberty,<br> <br> Chuck Moulton<br> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party<br> 2006-2008 IT Committee Chair<br> <br> Stewart Flood<br> Life Member & Monthly Pledger, Libertarian Party<br> 2008-2012 IT Committee Chair</div>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_5655931170597631342gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div><div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div><div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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