<div dir="ltr"><div>As a warning, I don't have all that much time right now to debate by email, and I am mostly inclined to wait to debate until next weekend. However, this is a direct question, so I feel I should answer it.</div><div><br></div>I admit to being a bit puzzled by this question. It sounds to me like asking a quarterback why he'd want to call a play, rather than just going out on the field and waiting for someone to run where he doesn't want them to. Strategic thinking is pro-active, it's not about waiting for a crisis but rather crafting a comprehensive strategy for its own sake.<div><br></div><div>To be clear, I think strategic thinking is valuable even if crises never emerge. I think a motion like this would be baffling to people outside this organization simply because they'd be surprised that there is no strategy set by the board and communicated to staff. However, proceeding like this, in addition to being suboptimal (and, I'd add, not all that transparent - if those elected by the membership do not provide such guidance, the matter is mostly delegated to unelected staff, and the members are never privy to discussions about the topic), does produce crises.</div><div><br></div><div>Here are some examples. In the last term, at the very first meeting (in VA, at the Marriott, by the way), a fair amount of time was spent on the LNC being angry about an urgent-gram. Now, remember that the way we decide how to present the party is, essentially, to tell staff "have at it," while 5 LNC members check for rules violations, which is an entirely different matter from strategic thinking. So what was the complaint? Well, we needed money, and staff had done something that is rather effective for raising money, but LNC members felt it looked bad. Why not convey that feeling to staff ahead of a problem, rather than waiting and then criticizing? A comprehensive messaging strategy could, if the LNC wanted it to, include some direction about portraying the party as successful and wanting to build on that success when raising funds, rather than as in dire straits. Staff could then apply their skills within that instruction. I see no benefit to failing to give guidance to staff and then yelling at them later. This is not the way healthy boards function, it's not a healthy way to interact with staff, and it is, in my view, an abandonment of the board's responsibility to engage in long-time-horizon, high-level, strategic thinking. </div><div><br></div><div>Or another example - the LNC was once up in arms over a meme suggesting that people vote for Libertarians rather than the sons of one-time Libertarians who had long before returned to the Republican Party. The meme violated no rules, and the LNC hadn't given the social media team any guidance or directions as to how to portray the party when doing social media. There would be no reason to suspect that the LNC would be outraged, just as there would be no reason to suspect that the LNC would be outraged by an urgent-gram. With a strategy in place, the question is simpler - either the image we wish to portray is advanced by such a comparison, or it is not. If we do not have direction from the top, and are instead flying blind, we instead get pointless arguments - pointless in the sense that they don't change things moving forward - from time to time.</div><div><br></div><div>Strategic guidance from the LNC avoids these issues, while allowing staff and volunteers not to tread on eggshells. It removes the LNC from a reactive pose, randomly being outraged by individual communications (from which, presumably, staff and volunteers could divine some pattern) and instead would put us in the position of giving high-level guidance and checking in from time to time. </div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">This link may provide some more information about how I'm visualizing the role of the board, although I do not subscribe fully to what it describes (and our bylaws call for a somewhat different board-staff relationship than it is designed for): <a href="http://www.policygovernance.com/pg-np.htm">http://www.policygovernance.com/pg-np.htm</a></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Joshua A. Katz<div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 5:25 AM, David Demarest <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dpdemarest@centurylink.net" target="_blank">dpdemarest@centurylink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Joshua,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Thank you for your explanation of hypothetical LNC messaging issues that could be addressed by a messaging committee. Can you be more specific on any actual current messaging issues that would necessitate the creation of a committee as opposed to LNC proper dealing with messaging issues directly as they come up?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">If there are no current LNC messaging issues, I suggest that the LNC proper deal with the next actual messaging concern. If we are unable to satisfactorily resolve the concern, then we can consider your messaging committee suggestion. Why create a committee for a problem that may not exist? If there is no immediate LNC messaging concern, is the real intent to influence the direction of LNC messaging without the direct involvement of the LNC?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Thoughts?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></i></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Libertarians – We Stand For FREEDOM, Nothing More, Nothing Less</span></i></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:verdana,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u> <u></u></span></i></b></p></span><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE</span></i></b><b><i><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></i></b></p><span><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">~David Pratt Demarest<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Secretary Pro Tem, LNC Affiliate Support Committee<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Board Member and Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Cell: <a href="tel:(402)%20981-6469" value="+14029816469" target="_blank">402-981-6469</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Home: <a href="tel:(402)%20493-0873" value="+14024930873" target="_blank">402-493-0873</a><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Office: <a href="tel:(402)%20222-7207" value="+14022227207" target="_blank">402-222-7207</a><u></u><u></u></span></p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> Lnc-business [mailto:<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business-bounces@h<wbr>q.lp.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Starchild<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:18 AM</span></p><div><div class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520h5"><br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December 10-11, 2016<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p></div></div><div><div class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429apple-tab-span"> </span>All of that makes sense to me, Joshua. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Love & Liberty,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> ((( starchild )))<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> (415) 625-FREE<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> @StarchildSF<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 1, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Joshua Katz wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for asking. Short answer: I envision the committee making a recommendation to the LNC. I agree with my colleague from Colorado that a comprehensive messaging strategy is a board-level decision, but I often think board-level decisions can be aided by asking a small committee to do research and report, with the decision reserved to the board.<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">There was also a question about my intent. This is my second term, in some capacity, on the LNC. It's also my second term on the APRC. Based on that small degree of experience, it seems to me that the LNC has, to a large extent, not taken all that much of a position on questions like "how do we wish to present ourselves to the world?" Instead, we've left it to staff with no real direction, and then occasionally said "you're doing it wrong." I think it is better to provide overall guidance and instructions, followed by accountability, rather than trying to exercise governance by looking at progress on a daily basis. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I'd like us to be able to ask questions on a quarterly basis like "Are our communications presenting the party as we've instructed?" "Has there been an impact on X?" "Do we need to adjust our strategy?" I think this would be better than periodically freaking out over a FB meme or an urgent-gram. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Direct, assess, hold accountable. Have a core idea of how we'd like to be presented that is known ahead of time, not arising from rejections. This would enable this board to focus on large objectives. When we do not have such things in place, the tendency is to micro-manage, because that becomes the only way we can exert control.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Joshua A. Katz<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Starchild <<a href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" target="_blank">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border-top:none;border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:1pt solid rgb(204,204,204);padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Actually I meant the net content after your suggested amendment David, if you were being serious about that. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">But now that you mention it, I'm not super clear on what Joshua had in mind for a hypothetical messaging strategy committee to do either. Would you envision this committee having any powers beyond recommending a messaging strategy to the LNC, Joshua? If not, I guess I wouldn't have a problem with appointing some people to brainstorm on the subject, so long as they operated transparently and allowed LP members to participate in their conversations.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Love & Liberty,<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> ((( starchild )))<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> (415) 625-FREE<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> @StarchildSF<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 1, 2016, at 6:10 AM, David Demarest wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Ditto Starchild on the content, and, just as important, the<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span><u>intent</u>…</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Thoughts?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Libertarianism - Leader Humility, Transparancy, Principle Before Party</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">~David Pratt Demarest</span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Starchild [mailto:<a href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" target="_blank">sfdreamer@earthlink.ne<wbr>t</a>]<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 01, 2016 7:33 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>David Demarest <<a href="mailto:dpdemarest@centurylink.net" target="_blank">dpdemarest@centurylink.net</a>><br><b>Cc:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>;<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:david.demarest@firstdata.com" target="_blank">da<wbr>vid.demarest@firstdata.com</a>; 'Caryn Ann Harlos' <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>>; 'Joshua Katz' <<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December 10-11, 2016</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>I'm not sure I understand the net content of what's being proposed.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Love & Liberty,<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> ((( starchild )))<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> (415) 625-FREE<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> @StarchildSF<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 1, 2016, at 4:03 AM, David Demarest wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Starchild, I echo your “more serious note” thought. I would suggest amending the phrase as follows: “<b><u>transparency</u></b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>messaging strategy”.</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Thoughts?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Libertarianism - Leader Humility, Transparancy, Principle Before Party</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">~David Pratt Demarest</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Region 6 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (IA, IL, MN, MO, ND, NE, WI)</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Secretary, Nebraska Libertarian State Central Committee</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Secretary Pro Tem, LNC Affiliate Support Committee</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Board Member and Nebraska State Coordinator, LP Radical Caucus</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Cell: <a href="tel:(402)%20981-6469" target="_blank">402-981-6469</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Home: <a href="tel:(402)%20493-0873" target="_blank">402-493-0873</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Office: <a href="tel:(402)%20222-7207" target="_blank">402-222-7207</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div style="border-style:solid none none;padding:3pt 0in 0in;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Lnc-business [<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">mailto:lnc-business-bounces@h<wbr>q.lp.org</a>]<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Starchild<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, December 01, 2016 4:59 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December 10-11, 2016</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>It may be a committee of one, but that won't necessarily stop it from expanding if it consumes a lot of BBQ meat at the LNC meeting. :-)<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-tab-span"> </span><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>On a more serious note – what Caryn Ann said about messaging strategy. <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Love & Liberty,<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> ((( starchild )))<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> (415) 625-FREE<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> @StarchildSF<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 30, 2016, at 6:11 PM, Sam Goldstein wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Mr Hayes is clearly jealous that he does not get his own committee.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sam (Committee of one)<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sam Goldstein<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Libertarian National Committee<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Member at Large<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Indianapolis IN 46260<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:(317)%20850-0726" target="_blank">317-850-0726</a> Phone<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:(317)%20582-1773" target="_blank">317-582-1773</a> Fax<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 8:57 PM, Daniel Hayes <<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br><br><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I must object. The Sam Committee is clearly out of order!<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m_-1813004391336788282m_3943436686364075109AppleMailSignature"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m_-1813004391336788282m_3943436686364075109AppleMailSignature"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Daniel Hayes<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div id="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m_-1813004391336788282m_3943436686364075109AppleMailSignature"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">LNChili At Large Member<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>On Nov 30, 2016, at 7:53 PM, David Demarest <<a href="mailto:dpdemarest@centurylink.net" target="_blank">dpdemarest@centurylink.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt"><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Caryn Ann, I will cosponsor your Sam Committee proposal -<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:wingdings">J</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Thoughts?</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Celebrate Life, Set the Bar High and LIVE FREE!</span></i></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">~David Pratt Demarest</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif">Lnc-business [<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">mailto:lnc-business-bounces@h<wbr>q.lp.org</a>]<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Caryn Ann Harlos<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, November 30, 2016 1:08 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>Libertarian National Committee list <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Lnc-business] Chair's Proposed Agenda - LNC Meeting December 10-11, 2016</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">I am seeking to propose the Sam Committee. <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>-- <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)">In Liberty,</span></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)">Caryn Ann Harlos</span></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </span><span style="font-size:10pt">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank">Harlos@LP.org</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <<a href="mailto:goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com" target="_blank">goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">If you guys keep proposing new committees we might have to expand<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">the LNC just to fill all of them.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)"> </span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(136,136,136)">Sam</span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all"><u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Sam Goldstein<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Libertarian National Committee<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Member at Large<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Indianapolis IN 46260<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:(317)%20850-0726" target="_blank">317-850-0726</a><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>Phone<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="tel:(317)%20582-1773" target="_blank">317-582-1773</a><span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span>Fax<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Joshua, as I am sure you can anticipate, I am not at all in favour of a committee to come up with messaging strategy. If there is one thing that the LNC must be able to do on its own and take command of, its that. With the (I believe completely inappropriate) messaging agenda without explicit LNC approval involved in the new website, I will look with a jaundiced eye at shunting that to a committee. And evenmoreso if that committee is cloaked in secrecy. Members have a vested interest in seeing that we are proper stewards of the Statement of Principles. THAT is our message, and thus, any "strategy" about it must be in full sunshine. <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">-- <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)">In Liberty,</span></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(102,102,102)">Caryn Ann Harlos</span></b><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:7.5pt">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </span><span style="font-size:10pt">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.<span class="gmail-m_-8251706655713025520m_-6437723136934993429m-1813004391336788282apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank">Harlos@LP.org</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 11:36 AM, Joshua Katz <<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Well, I can live with it, and I apologize for being unclear, but my intent was not to have a freewheelin' discussion about messaging strategy, or to discuss a messaging strategy at all, to be honest. Instead, my intent was to introduce a motion to appoint a committee to come up with one. I would ask, if possible, if it can be moved from the lunch to new business without previous notice. 5 minutes can suffice.<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Joshua A. Katz<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:chair@lp.org" target="_blank">chair@lp.org</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><blockquote style="border-style:none none none solid;padding:0in 0in 0in 6pt;margin:5pt 0in 5pt 4.8pt;border-width:initial;border-color:initial"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Dear All,<br><br>I've attached a draft proposed agenda for the meeting on December 10<br>and 11. I've made efforts to accommodate all requests for time I've<br>received and still have the meeting fit within the time available.<br>Please let me know if there are requests I've missed or changes you<br>would suggest.<br><br>Yours truly,<br>Nick <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt"> </span><Untitled attachment 03009.txt><u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote></div><div><p class="MsoNormal"> <u></u><u></u></p></div></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:helvetica,sans-serif"><Untitled attachment 03271.txt><u></u><u></u></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>Lnc-business mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br><a href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listi<wbr>nfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><u></u><u></u></p></blockquote></div><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div>