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<p>Your requests for timing estimates are reasonable, however, I'd
prefer to hold off on the estimates in the short run.</p>
<p>Our recent history with LP.org is one of over promising,
under-delivering, and breaking new things in the process.</p>
<p>I'd prefer to give you an estimate on January 4, after our new
team (Wes, Ken, Sean, Andy, contractors) has a couple weeks to
make progress and I can better gauge our speed at accomplishing
things. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/15/2016 9:09 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
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<div dir="ltr">I would like some tentative time frames here:
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<div>LPedia: When can we do something on this and what would
that "something" involve (which will include an LNC vote).
With my new information on OUR archives which is OUR
responsibility to preserve (though I would rather them be
preserved anywhere rather than nowhere), I believe the LNC
needs to keep this. The technical issues are not something
new, in fact that was the whole reason it was put off until
now as I was assured we would have time now.</div>
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<div>The 2006 and the 2016 site: When will these be put into the
archive solution. That solution might work beautifully. I do
not believe it can due to the concerns in the beginning email,
but we have a responsibility to at least get them up, and if
they are the subject of further motions, then let's get that
going.</div>
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<div>The archiving project I working with volunteers on our own
as party members to see what we can take on and other than
insisting that these items needs to be put somewhere will not
be troubling the LNC about it at this time. </div>
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<div>But those two other items above need timefames and plans.</div>
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<div dir="ltr">With this treasure trove of historical
information and background discussions with enthusiastic
volunteers eager to retain our history, I suggest that the
Party retain LPedia but do something with it. Barring
that, putting it to LSLA is an option and LSLA at one time
indicated willingness. One way or another we need to
decide. I fear we risk losing history if LSLA decided to
neglect it and then we could wash our hands of it and lose
accountability for this stewardship.
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<div>My analysis of the other issues above remains. The
archive option is not good and there are better ways to
handle. I believe a historical committee (and yes I
will be proposing one when this things gets talked out -
or not if really good disqualifiers come up) would be
the best to advise on this and work with volunteers and
staff to get the content moved to the current site
without "clutter" - until such content is moved, the
archive sites would allow members some way to access. </div>
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<div>My solution would keep our promises and use LPedia
for the rest.</div>
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<div>I'm happy to report that we're off and
running, post-meeting. Wes is running with
Zocalo. Meanwhile, I'm trying to merge one
of our hosting sites with a bunch of
"leftovers" on it into cheaper hosting.
I've been working on that for the last 24
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<div>There are still some technical decisions
to be made, but the priorities at the moment
are (a) fix the website; (b) clean up and
save some money. </div>
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<div>Also, a decision needs to be made about
LPedia. I have recently learned through
investigation that LPedia has some
technical challenges. Wherever it lands,
it's going to need some help. So, is LSLA
taking LPedia? Is the LNC retaining it?
What's the timeframe? The reason I ask,
is that we're going to have to move LPedia
one way or the other. I personally think
it would be a good task for LSLA, which
would let us standardize on one platform
for every other website the party will be
maintaining (thus making maintenance
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<p class="MsoNormal">Committee
members, I am back talking about the
website and some decisions that were
made this weekend. Some of those
decisions were good, some were at
best very incomplete (and at worst
misguided). I believe Motion(s) to
amend will be the result of these
discussions I hope to get
going-perhaps even a sub-committee
to work with the IT Committee (one
that might be in the realm of the
proposed historical/archival
committee). In our very
time-limited discussions,
complicated decisions and
discussions cannot be adequately
done. I will attempt to organize
this email into digestable issues.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><u>BASIC
ISSUES WITH CURRENT WEBSITE</u></strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This would
include bad colour scheme of grey on
grey, difficult navigation, slow
load times, odd information screens
that are not customizable etc. We
gave Wes the authority to work with
Zocolo on that which seems to be the
right move to get these issues
resolved. I trust Wes will give us
regular reports. We also gave Wes
the authority and discretion to
restore the old masthead which
stated "Party of Principle" (as that
was a separate issue as to whether
that would be a policy manual
official logo – it is in fact a
trademark – no matter how I feel
about trademarks – of the
Libertarian Party). I highly
encourage Wes to make that happen
and the LNC can later vote to change
if they wish.<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>THE
PROPOSED NEW SEPARATE LP ARCHIVE
SITE</strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I do not believe
this was the right decision or a
well-thought-out decision with all
due respect to my fellow committee
members. It is in fact an
inadvertent betrayal of the earlier
promise to membership that no
ideological content would be lost.
This solution does not make good on
that promise. Words are made in a
context, and the context of the
assurances to members was that
content would not be lost <strong>from
the LP.org website</strong> AND IT
IS– shunting it off into another
website which may not even be
cross-searchable (that decision was
not made) is in fact losing the
content, and this should be
unacceptable. I think part of the
problem in the discussions was a
fundamental mis-casting of how
websites actually work.<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Objection:
"We don't want to clutter the new
website"</strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">First I will add,
clutter or not, this was an
assurance made to members and we can
either keep that assurance or not. I
was given that assurance as a
member, and I expect the LNC to keep
it. But this is a non-concern that
seems to be operating under some
kind of physical assumption along
the lines of some analogous idea
that the website weighs two pounds
now and would then weigh twenty
pounds or that we would be adding
100 more library stacks. That is
not how websites work. And I think
we can get into this more in the
sub-divisions of my email of the
types of content on the two older
sites which I will call the 2016
site and the 2006 site for clarity.
But in general, this would be
invisible to the user until they
needed the data. The issue of
"clutter" is a red herring. At most
there might be a new submenu called
"archives" which is hardly some
monumental clutter. Users could go
there or not. The ones that go
there <strong>want</strong> this
information. The rest of the
information clearly falls under
current headings, is relevant, and
as presently organized is not
cluttered. It is arguably way too
compressed.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Issue:
What would this new Archive site
look like?</strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This was not even
discussed. It seemed to me like the
LNC thought we could just stick it
at a new address, flip a switch, and
be done. But that isn't an archive,
it is a time machine that would
freeze a site as it looked on the
day it was taken down. For instance
on the 2016 site, this LNC would
remain enshrined forever on a page.
That is not useful. Ditto to the
2006 site. This brings us to the
actual issue: the content that needs
to be preserved – and that can be
broken down into some broad
categories (with some overlap but
not much): ideological content, news
content, parliamentary institutional
content (some of it
bylaws-required), and historical
institutional content. Each of
these categories need to be handled
deliberately and separately, and it
is frankly impossible (I was going
to say insane) to think a simple
solution like flipping a switch to
an archive site can responsibility
do this. And this also exposes
another huge flaw: Will there be
TWO archive sites? A 2016 and 2006
archive site? How does this LNC
possibly think those two can be
merged? Do you seem how quickly
unworkable this becomes? What we
passed is simply not do-able and if
we continue down that path, it will
become obvious and the temptation
will be to throw up our hands and
say "oh well we tried" and just let
the content go away. I will not go
down that path because it isn't
inevitable.<span></span></p>
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</span>
<p class="MsoNormal">So now on to
discuss the types of content...<span></span></p>
<span>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>THE
CONTENT</strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Ideological
Content</strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This would
include staff blog articles, press
releases, newsletters, and the
like. These items are part of what
makes up our current positions –
there is an unbroken line – and
these should be searchable and part
of our current site. How that would
be done has many open paths,
including simply putting them where
they belong in chronological order.
This can be done by trained
volunteers. I believe Chuck Moulton
volunteered to do some. This would
be fulfilling the promise to our
members. As an example (and this
touches on my earlier archive
emails), ALL of the old issues of LP
News should be on the website. This
does not "clutter" any more than
having older minutes does,
particularly the way we do with "see
more" pull downs that only list the
title year. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span><strong> </strong></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>News
Content</strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This is part of
our political history and again,
these items should just be put into
the blog section where they
originally appeared and can be done
by trained volunteers. <span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Parliamentary
Institutional Content</strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This would
include LNC minutes, EC minutes,
Convention Minutes, old and current
Bylaws, and Policy Manual etc.
These need to go where they exist
presently on the site. Most of this
is required by our Bylaws and is
already being planned on by staff,
but when I say minutes, I mean <strong>ALL
minutes</strong>, including those
from the 2006 site and those that I
am gathering from members. We can
either put a disclaimer that they
are not certified or come up with a
certification method. They were
historically verified.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Historical
Institutional Content</strong><span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This would
include lists of past staff, past
candidates, and past committees.
This is perfect for LPedia – but of
course that requires us getting on
the ball with LPedia. Some other
content above arguably would be
better for LPedia. I would like the
IT Committee Chair to give us some
thoughts here on LPedia.<span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>Conclusory
Comment</strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I think this
analysis has shown that this idea of
an archive site is unworkable, not
keeping our assurances to our
members, and unnecessary – a
combination of our current site and
LPedia is the answer.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong>MY
PROPOSED SOLUTIONS</strong><span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This ties right
in to the Historical/Archive
Committee I have been hinting out.
I believe these decisions and plans
can be done by such a committee
working with staff and the IT
Committee and that the Chair of the
IT Committee would automatically be
on this almost proposed new
Committee which would give a
recommendation on how to better
handle this issue rather than the
clumsy way done at the LNC
meeting. And then there would be a
plan going forward for digitizing
the rich content found at HQ and in
our storage unit. And yes, such a
committee should have full
transparency. Nothing here is
secret and is the collective
heritage of members.<span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I solicit
thoughts. I believe we made a
rushed grave mistake, and we can fix
it in an orderly manner that would
not take more LNC time but the time
and loving care of LNC members and
voluntary Party members who truly
care about this issue. We can't all
be passionate about all things.
Let's let those who are plan it.<span></span></p>
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