<div><div>Wookiepedua.  Tell me more:)</div></div><div><br></div><div>But yes - and I am speaking with Ken about this.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:27 AM Joshua Katz <<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">It occurs to me, as the resident mathematician, that this timeline may contain an error.  I strongly suspect that February 2014 was more than 2 years ago.  </div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">More substantively, I would suggest that we can deal with Starchild's concerns and those of Representative Harlos, simultaneously.  Let me ask this question to anyone who wishes to answer it, but preferably someone who actually knows the answer - either Harlos or Mr. Moellman:  Given what has been suggested, what motions are needed, both to make the hosting happen, and to then make the asset usable?  I think an answer to that will answer Starchild's questions, while also telling the rest of us what it is that we should do in order to (as I've heard mentioned) not bog down a potential solution with the institutional inertia that has been its downfall.  </div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">As Starchild mentions, by the way, I'm puzzled by the existence of a website with "edia" in the name which is not openly editable.  Although, come to think of it, encyclopedias end in "edia" and are only fully editable in the most trivial sense - a sense that involves ripping out pages or drawing on them with crayons and markers.  Maybe it's the "wiki" part that indicates an editable thing?  But the wookiepedia is open to the world to edit...can anyone clarify this issue?</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br clear="all" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_3084699990485579563gmail_signature gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">Joshua A. Katz<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br><br><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:45 AM, Starchild <span class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-tab-span gmail_msg" style="white-space:pre-wrap">      </span>Nearly 2 years ago (Feb. 15, 2014), I posted to the LNC list (in part):</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_msg"><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-tab-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;white-space:pre-wrap">      </span>There is the makings of an excellent Libertarian Party historical archive in the form of a wiki specifically devoted to the party, at <a href="http://LPedia.org/" style="line-height:1.22em" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">LPedia.org</a>. The site is apparently owned by the LNC (see <a href="http://www.whois.com/whois/lpedia.org" style="line-height:1.22em" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.whois.com/whois/lpedia.org</a> ). Since <a href="http://LPedia.org/" style="line-height:1.22em" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">LPedia.org</a> remains online, we presumably continue to pay for web hosting, but the site has not been updated since 2008 -- </span><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px">the most recent entries generally appear to be spam (see <a href="http://www.lpedia.org/Special:Recentchanges" style="line-height:1.22em" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.lpedia.org/Special:Recentchanges</a> ) --</span><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px"> and I have been unable to log in or create a new account. An email I sent a couple weeks ago to<a href="mailto:webmaster@lpedia.org" style="line-height:1.22em" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">webmaster@lpedia.org</a> has gone unanswered. </span></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px"><br style="line-height:1.22em" class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-tab-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;white-space:pre-wrap">     </span>This resource has received a significant amount of web traffic (see <a href="http://www.lpedia.org/Special:Statistics" style="line-height:1.22em" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.lpedia.org/Special:Statistics</a>), but it appears that it is being totally wasted. Does anyone know anything about this? Robert Kraus's name is listed as Admin.</span></div></blockquote><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px"><br style="line-height:1.22em" class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-tab-span gmail_msg" style="white-space:pre-wrap">   </span>At that time, I had not heard anyone else in the party leadership talking about it; I discovered the site and raised the issue on my own. I haven't heard what we are paying for what definitely has been a "neglected asset" – can someone supply that information, and where the expense appears in our budget? If we can keep the site while saving money that's a good thing, all else being equal, but hosting is not to my mind the only hurdle to overcome in terms of making it a functional asset. </div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-tab-span gmail_msg" style="white-space:pre-wrap">    </span>From what I can see, the basic issue is that staff doesn't have time to tightly administer the site, but there has been a reluctance to release our grip on information enough to make it fully functional (allow everyone, or at the very least LP members, to edit it as readily as one can edit Wikipedia) <i class="gmail_msg">without</i> a big investment of staff time.</div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-tab-span gmail_msg" style="white-space:pre-wrap">      </span>Ken, does the approach you are talking about here address this problem? If so, how? Please be specific.</div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px">Love & Liberty,</span></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px">                                    ((( starchild )))</span></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px">At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee</span></div></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px">                                  (415) 625-FREE</span></div><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px">                                    @StarchildSF</span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_3084699990485579563h5 gmail_msg"><div style="line-height:1.22em;font-family:Georgia;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-style-span gmail_msg" style="line-height:1.22em;font-size:13px"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">On Jan 3, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:</div><br class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014Apple-interchange-newline gmail_msg"><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">As you all know, I have been the one really pushing for the LPedia issue and I spoke with Ken at length about this, and I am satisfied with this and in fact more than satisfied.  And from what I understand it is a cost savings from what we were paying for this neglected asset, and it becomes a functional assert.<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">I thank Ken for his hard work and diligence on this.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:46 PM, Ken Moellman <span class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:ken.moellman@lpky.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">ken.moellman@lpky.org</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif" class="gmail_msg"><p class="gmail_msg">All -<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">After discussion with Sean and staff, we believe we have found a good, long-term solution for LPedia.  We have found a hosting company who has offered to host LPedia for less than $500/yr.  This solution is a corporate plan with a Virtual Private Server with DDOS protection. They offer advice on best practices as well as services to help block the spam that has plagued LPedia. Best of all, the solution includes support. So, if LPedia has a problem, there's a number to call to get it fixed.<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">This fixes the technical problems with LPedia and moves us towards our goal of saving the party money.  </p><p class="gmail_msg">I wanted to give the LNC the opportunity to object to this move prior to pulling the trigger.  If you have any questions, please let me know.  </p><span class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014HOEnZb gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="gmail_msg"><br><br><div class="gmail_msg">-- <br class="gmail_msg"><p class="gmail_msg">Ken C. Moellman, Jr.<br class="gmail_msg">LNC Region 3 Alternate Representative<br class="gmail_msg">LPKY Judicial Committee</p><br><br></div><div class="gmail_msg"> <br class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014webkit-block-placeholder gmail_msg"></div><br><br></font></span></div><br><br><br class="gmail_msg">_______________________________________________<br class="gmail_msg"><br><br>Lnc-business mailing list<br class="gmail_msg"><br><br><a href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><br><br><a href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><br><br><br class="gmail_msg"></blockquote></div><br class="gmail_msg"><br clear="all" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div>-- <br class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_3084699990485579563m_-6952629703884872014gmail_signature gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666" class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">In Liberty,</b></font></div><div class="gmail_msg"><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666" class="gmail_msg"><b class="gmail_msg">Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div><div class="gmail_msg"><font size="1" class="gmail_msg">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_msg">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_msg">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_msg">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org/" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:x-small" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div><br><br>_______________________________________________<br class="gmail_msg">Lnc-business mailing list<br class="gmail_msg"><a href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><a href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"></blockquote></div><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div></div><br class="gmail_msg">_______________________________________________<br class="gmail_msg"><br><br>Lnc-business mailing list<br class="gmail_msg"><br><br><a href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><br><br><a href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><br><br><br class="gmail_msg"></blockquote></div><br class="gmail_msg"></div><br><br>_______________________________________________<br class="gmail_msg"><br>Lnc-business mailing list<br class="gmail_msg"><br><a href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><br><a href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org" rel="noreferrer" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a><br class="gmail_msg"><br></blockquote></div></div>