<div dir="ltr">Two east coast meetings that double or triple the costs for region 1 if we both were to attend is certainly not fine to me. It disadvantages those of us not on the east coast and privileges others. I am most definitely not fine.<div><br></div><div>- Caryn Ann</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 8:24 AM, David Demarest <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dpdemarest@centurylink.net" target="_blank">dpdemarest@centurylink.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Nick,<br>
<br>
Excellent idea. Pittsburgh is fine with me In the interests of accommodating<br>
Easter weekend travel and lodging arrangement time constraints. My interest<br>
is in improving the procedure going forward. I will proceed with my request<br>
for co-sponsors with the location of the August meeting in mind.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
~David<br>
</font></span><span class="im HOEnZb"><br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Lnc-business [mailto:<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org">lnc-business-bounces@<wbr>hq.lp.org</a>] On Behalf Of<br>
</span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Nicholas Sarwark<br>
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:58 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] April LNC Meeting location<br>
<br>
Dear David,<br>
<br>
I'm fine with an approval vote on meeting locations based on the cost and<br>
other logistical information Robert gathered. I'm not sure if that could be<br>
done in a reasonable time with the options that Robert researched for the<br>
April meeting, but I'm happy to use that procedure for the second LNC<br>
meeting this year.<br>
<br>
Taking the decision on this meeting location was done because I did not get<br>
any sense of clear consensus from the LNC when asking people which locations<br>
they preferred. In retrospect, asking for an approval vote on the 3-5 best<br>
options may have worked better, assuming such a vote could be done in a<br>
shorter timeframe than our typical 10-day email vote.<br>
<br>
-Nick<br>
<br>
On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 9:18 AM, David Demarest <<a href="mailto:dpdemarest@centurylink.net">dpdemarest@centurylink.net</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
> I have absolutely no concerns about Nick's and Robert's abilities to<br>
> make a wise decision (or recommendation) on the meeting location. I<br>
> also understand the need for a reasonably prompt location decision so<br>
> we can get on with travel and lodging arrangements. However, in<br>
> addition to Starchild's legitimate transparency concerns on proposal<br>
> specifics, this top-down approach makes a mockery of asking LNC<br>
> members where they would like to hold meetings. It suggests that<br>
> meeting location criteria are driven primarily by LNC staff<br>
> preferences and travel costs paid from the LNC budget rather than LNC<br>
> member preferences and self-funded travel expenses. Further, I<br>
> strongly suspect that some LNC member location suggestions were<br>
> expediently ignored because no 2020/22 convention cost and suitability<br>
information had been gathered for those locations.<br>
><br>
> I would add that the essence of Libertarianism is to empower our<br>
> leaders to lead by example rather than the expediency of exercising<br>
> authority. That is not Nick's fault. We LNC members are to blame if we<br>
> cave in to the temptation to default our responsibilities to Nick when<br>
> not appropriate and put Nick in a lose-lose dilemma. Nick handles it<br>
> well but it is unfair to both Nick and the full complement of LNC<br>
> members. I would agree that the meeting location is not a<br>
> high-priority issue. Nevertheless, it presents an excellent<br>
> opportunity to set an example by empowering LNC members to select<br>
> meeting locations. Or we can call this discussion nitpicking and<br>
> continue our top-down failings that fly in the face of our criticisms of<br>
the broken two-party system.<br>
><br>
> I offer the following motion:<br>
><br>
> "Hold a simple LNC email write-in approval vote to narrow down our<br>
> personal meeting location preferences followed by a second simple<br>
> approval vote on the top 3 to 5 choices considering the astute finance<br>
> and logistics recommendations by Robert and Nick."<br>
><br>
> Robert and Nick, thank you for your location research diligence, wise<br>
> recommendations and ability to shoulder our defaulted<br>
> responsibilities. The above motion could be simplified to one approval<br>
> email vote if sufficient location cost and site suitability details<br>
> and recommendations were available. Any interest in co-sponsoring this<br>
> motion? If so, who would like to wordsmith this motion into the proper<br>
> language? Or, do we want to move on to more critical LNC issues and<br>
> address the meeting location selection method at a more convenient time?<br>
><br>
> Thoughts?<br>
><br>
> ~David Pratt Demarest<br>
> Region 6 LNC Representative<br>
><br>
> -----Original Message-----<br>
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org">lnc-business-bounces@<wbr>hq.lp.org</a>] On Behalf<br>
> Of Starchild<br>
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 7:52 PM<br>
> To: <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] April LNC Meeting location<br>
><br>
><br>
> So what IS the proposal, Nick? May we see the full terms? You<br>
> present this as if a decision has already been made. Isn't it up to<br>
> the full LNC to decide where to meet? To be clear, I have no<br>
> pre-existing objection to Pittsburgh or preference for another<br>
> location. I am simply concerned about process.<br>
><br>
> Has any effort been made to use official communications<br>
> (email, direct mail, website, LP News, Facebook, etc.) to let our<br>
> membership know that we're looking for free or low-cost venues suitable<br>
for an LNC meeting?<br>
><br>
> Love & Liberty,<br>
> ((( starchild ))) At-Large<br>
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee<br>
> (415) 625-FREE<br>
> @StarchildSF<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:46 PM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:<br>
><br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>><br>
>> Robert Kraus has done some excellent work getting proposals from<br>
>> numerous locations around the country, some that would be suitable<br>
>> for a potential 2020/22 convention, others not. Based on a<br>
>> combination of overall cost, accessibility, site suitability, and<br>
>> having a meeting where we haven't lately, it came down to<br>
>> Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, or Oklahoma City.<br>
>><br>
>> Of the three, Pittsburgh had the best overall proposal, so I intend<br>
>> to have Robert negotiate a contract for the April meeting to be held<br>
>> in Pittsburgh at the Wyndham Grand Pittsburgh. Indianapolis was<br>
>> overly costly on the venue side and Oklahoma City overly costly on<br>
>> the travel side.<br>
>><br>
>> Don't purchase tickets or make reservations until Robert has final<br>
>> details. Also, there will likely be a hotel/meeting space tour,<br>
>> either on Friday prior to the meeting or on Saturday or Sunday after<br>
>> the meeting.<br>
>><br>
>> Yours in liberty,<br>
>> Nick<br>
>><br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div><div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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