<div dir="ltr">Bill, I try to get things done that can be done ahead of time to leave time for other in-depth discussions. We always seem to not have enough time.<div><br></div><div>-Caryn Ann</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:53 AM, William Redpath <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wredpath2@yahoo.com" target="_blank">wredpath2@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The Pittsburgh LNC meeting is only three weeks away. Can't we discuss all this in person there, and then vote? Bill Redpath<br>
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<span class="">On Fri, 3/24/17, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2017-06: Move Archive Records to CO<br>
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Date: Friday, March 24, 2017, 1:00 PM<br>
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Okay I<br>
think I answered everyone's post. I will say the one<br>
thing I said when I was looking at taking five years to get<br>
a two year degree because I waited until I was out on my own<br>
to go to school. Five years will come no matter what. <br>
The only question is where I will be when they do. <br>
Similarly, the years will pass here. Do we want a pile of<br>
unorganized stuff in two years or do we want to take<br>
advantage of this opportunity (that may in fact be very low<br>
costs because Wes will do a few fundraising emails for it,<br>
and I have committed some money).<br>
- Caryn Ann<br>
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at<br>
10:58 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
Wes, I cannot promise we will not need an offsite<br>
storage any longer, for instance there are a few items to<br>
add to the historical collection (Nolan's widow has his<br>
personal correspondences and some early Party stuff I am<br>
securing), but it will certainly be compact and lean and<br>
useable. While I am passionate about Party history, I am<br>
not sentimental to the extent of "OMG The Nolan may<br>
have this touched This Piece of Paper, it Must Be<br>
Saved!" but any culling decisions will be brought to<br>
the LNC, and you will have thorough<br>
recommendations. <br>
I also<br>
think we can use this project as a means of<br>
"touch" to the members to garner some<br>
excitement. Whether one thinks my interest is silly (as<br>
some do), there is no doubt, that I am infectious with<br>
it. <br>
- Caryn Ann<br>
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at<br>
10:55 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
Starchild, thank you for your trust in me. So<br>
far I believe I have demonstrated it - I *could* have easily<br>
spent up to a thousand dollars already but I have sought<br>
volunteers with skills to do professional scanning and as<br>
long as I can tap into those (and not burn out their time),<br>
I will do so. I treat OPP very seriously. I have also<br>
committed to being completely transparent and forthcoming<br>
with monetary decisions (and we have a public committee<br>
discussion list) and accountable to members. There have<br>
been some minimal costs that I have gotten donated. And<br>
that will be the case whenever I can - and it is in the best<br>
interest of the project (i.e. volunteer work has to be of<br>
the quality we need - a home scanner will not do when we<br>
need a professional scan job, but fortunately I have a<br>
volunteer with access to the genealogical scanner used by<br>
the LDS church- PRO!).<br>
- Caryn Ann<br>
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at<br>
10:51 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
Alicia,<br>
The issue of common carrier versus<br>
U-Haul is something I discussed with Wes. In order to pack<br>
things up so that it can be transported would take staff<br>
time. And Wes wants to send the shelving, and just send<br>
things "as is" and let me straighten it up. With<br>
the U-Haul it can just be put in and sent with no re-packing<br>
needed.<br>
As far as<br>
whether or not everything can be organized and scanned<br>
before the end of next term, there are several issues there.<br>
First, the committee itself. While this committee ends at<br>
that time, it is my intention to prove its value, have a<br>
good working model, and move for a permanent historical<br>
committee next year. In any event, LPedia must be<br>
maintained, and I expect the LNC will appoint a new<br>
committee- and if I am not on the LNC, I will apply to be on<br>
the committee. Even if not, I will continue my volunteer<br>
work. I think Starchild covered this well. As far as<br>
goals, I am very sober-minded as to our goals. I<br>
absolutely do not expect (nor is there budget for, though I<br>
am doing pretty well at finding no-cost volunteers) the<br>
entire archives to be scanned by the end of this term. I<br>
do realistically expect it to be organized and inventoried<br>
and the most critical items uploaded. And with the<br>
organization, the next committee will be able to continue to<br>
prioritize until it is done. Without the organization, I<br>
cannot wisely spend the initial budget on the most critical<br>
and most general interest items. While I might be in<br>
rapturous delight over a handwritten note by Gary Nolan on<br>
the back of a memo, our membership is more interested in<br>
news items. training items, press releases, and minutes. I<br>
am prioritizing to the needs and wants of our members. And<br>
as Daniel and Wes said, there is a lot of duplicates and<br>
items that do not need to be saved. I will be able to make<br>
culling recommendations to the LNC and to Wes and to carry<br>
those out.<br>
I expect<br>
these records will remain here for at least a few years. And<br>
I have a volunteer that drives cross country often, and I<br>
might be able to find someone to bring them back at little<br>
to no cost - the volume will be less in any event, even if<br>
we have to pay. And they could come back by common carrier<br>
as I will be able to have the volunteers to re-pack as<br>
necessary.<br>
I went<br>
quickly through a representative portion of the offsite<br>
storage. Everything I saw were items to be saved (in<br>
general, most certainly there is redundancy and culling and<br>
curating to do). It is interesting you mention the<br>
"so and so's desk" boxes... that is part of<br>
the problem. Who is ever going to go through that stuff? <br>
Wes thinks there might be minutes and other important items<br>
there, if not, I will straighten it out and solve that<br>
problem. And when I say "I" I don't mean I<br>
am super woman to do it all myself, but with a home base in<br>
CO, the birthplace, of the Party, and my volunteer<br>
connections in neighboring states, I can manage this<br>
properly, as a Chair should. <br>
In any event, it will be cheaper to<br>
come back after several years, in great shape with<br>
professional organization and of use to the Party and its<br>
members.<br>
-Caryn Ann<br>
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at<br>
10:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
I have a bunch of commentary to add that I will<br>
take one at a time.<br>
Daniel,<br>
that is exactly what I was thinking. I think this<br>
Committee may find some auction items and may be able to put<br>
together a nice historical interest display, and you might<br>
want to consider having one of us speak.<br>
-Caryn Ann<br>
On Fri,<br>
Mar 24, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Daniel Hayes <<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
Us finally throwing away<br>
a bunch of sacred invoices and other magical papers and<br>
stuff we don't need was my motivation to sponsor . It<br>
might take 5 years to recoup but it is money we can<br>
save.<br>
Also,<br>
keep in mind that if we can monetize some of this stuff,<br>
even better. As Sam and a couple of others know, we are<br>
looking to hold a silent auction at convention in NOLA. <br>
Caryn Ann may find some things that we don't want to<br>
throw away but don't have space to display that a member<br>
might have interest in. I'd rather see us put some<br>
cash to the use this party exists for and allow a member to<br>
have some enjoyment instead of sticking it in a box on a<br>
shelf. One person's junk is another person's<br>
treasure.<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
HayesLNC<br>
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On Mar 24, 2017, at 11:07 AM, Wes Benedict<br>
<<a href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Actually, if Caryn Ann does a good enough job, we<br>
should no<br>
longer need an off-site storage unit. The unit<br>
we're in now just<br>
went up to $248 per month starting in March 2018 (up<br>
about $20<br>
from February).<br>
William Redpath, can you calculate the Prevent Value<br>
of the<br>
saving of $248 per month in perpetuity?<br>
<br>
<br>
And if you can do that, can you then get a bit more<br>
precise by<br>
making the assumption the $248 per month spending<br>
won't stop for 2<br>
years?<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks Bill, that'd be great.<br>
<br>
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Wes<br>
Benedict, Executive Director<br>
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3/24/2017 11:43 AM, Wes Benedict<br>
wrote:<br>
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<br>
Around 300 boxes with the<br>
miscellaneous "slips of<br>
paper" have been shredded since 2013. I spent<br>
many days on that<br>
work myself doing a first and second pass through the<br>
mountain of<br>
junk in the cool, damp, rat-infested dungeon storage<br>
underneath<br>
the Watergate complex, and then doing 3rd and 4th<br>
passes at our<br>
storage units after moving the stuff to Alexandria. (I<br>
did not<br>
shred the stuff myself--just identified the boxes and<br>
then had a<br>
professional service handle it).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I am not exaggerating about the rats. I do not recall<br>
finding dead<br>
rats in any boxes and did not necessarily see rats<br>
inside our<br>
particular unit, but there were dead dried out rat<br>
carcasses less<br>
than 20 feet outside the door to our unit and in the<br>
hallway<br>
leading up to our unit and inside adjacent units.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
In addition to things that have been shredded, I did<br>
not count the<br>
number of boxes of stuff that I threw away that did<br>
not need to be<br>
shredded. I also personally tore apart, dismantled,<br>
and sawed when<br>
necessary (with my personal Bosch circular saws and<br>
drill), large<br>
painted plywood structures that I think were used in<br>
the 2000 and<br>
2004 national conventions (along with the wooden<br>
pallets).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
For a decade, it seemed, no one was willing to throw<br>
things away.<br>
I can't blame them. Who wants to throw something<br>
away when someone<br>
might complain later? Plus, it's easier to just<br>
box up an old<br>
employees stuff and push it aside rather than go<br>
through it and<br>
sort it all out. The result was valuable things were<br>
getting<br>
buried by old broken furniture and useless pieces of<br>
returned mail<br>
slips that had no value. Boxes of potentially valuable<br>
documents<br>
were getting crushed and split and were spilling in<br>
the damp<br>
basement of the Watergate. The basement of the<br>
Watergate obviously<br>
wasn't climate controlled and the storage<br>
facilities were down an<br>
underground hallway from the dumpsters for CVS and the<br>
grocery<br>
store Safeway, and just 200 yard crawl for rats from<br>
the shores of<br>
the Potomac. Grocery stores generate a lot of smelly<br>
garbage that<br>
attracts rats.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
For the most part, I did not go through many<br>
individual boxes and<br>
sort through individual pieces of stuff. I either kept<br>
the whole<br>
box, or through the whole box out (or shredded if<br>
necessary).<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We still have over a dozen 4-drawer file cabinets and<br>
maybe 100<br>
boxes of stuff that needs to be gone through more<br>
carefully. That<br>
takes a lot of time. When it's time to bring the<br>
stuff back from<br>
Colorado, I expect the content to be 15% of it's<br>
original size.<br>
That's because there is still stuff to throw away,<br>
and also, for<br>
things like fundraising letters that were sent in<br>
1992--there are<br>
probably 5 or 10 copies of each.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
That stuff is getting older every day, but at least we<br>
now have it<br>
stored in a climate controlled storage unit in<br>
Alexandria, instead<br>
of the basement of the Watergate.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I probably inadvertently threw some things out that<br>
we wished I<br>
hadn't, but I feel like my actions to jettison<br>
some garbage even<br>
if there was some collateral damage, was urgent, and<br>
necessary for<br>
the greater good of the documents that were saved, and<br>
because we<br>
needed space for our more recent documents.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
A few photos attached.<br>
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On 3/24/2017 4:43 AM, Alicia Mattson wrote:<br>
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<br>
Having spent some time digging<br>
through<br>
these materials a few years ago, I know there are a<br>
LOT of boxes<br>
of old membership forms with hand-written signatures<br>
on the<br>
membership certification. I don't imagine<br>
those going online<br>
for the world to see, so why ship 50 boxes to<br>
Colorado and back?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
I don't recall a terribly high percentage of<br>
those files being<br>
things that are of historical value that would<br>
belong in an<br>
online archive. Some of it was, but much was<br>
not. Old invoices<br>
and vendor contracts. Miscellaneous contents of<br>
the desk<br>
drawers of former employees. Is there really<br>
enough historical<br>
material to fill a UHaul?<br>
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