<div>Nick would that be the language?</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 8:19 PM Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:chair@lp.org">chair@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I will sponsor a motion for the LNC to contribute $5,000 to the Mark<br>
Wicks for Congress campaign.<br>
<br>
Our counsel and many others worked very hard to make sure Mr. Wicks<br>
could be in the televised debate (that he did very well in), I think<br>
it would be good to follow through and this is a very reasonable<br>
request after the candidate (a) raised a similar amount of money and<br>
(b) put in a similar amount of money on his own.<br>
<br>
-Nick<br>
<br>
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 3:32 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
<<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> I will get the appropriate links and commentary about the debate from Mr.<br>
> Wicks.<br>
><br>
> -Caryn Ann<br>
><br>
> So we have myself and Joshua willing to co-sponsor a motion for $5,000. We<br>
> would need two more.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Joshua Katz <<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I take that to mean that there is no ballot access retention based on this<br>
>> race. It might be true that better voter numbers than we have ever seen<br>
>> before makes a difference for us, perhaps even a national-scale difference<br>
>> (which is what it takes, short of ballot access, in my eyes, to invest<br>
>> national money). What I'm less sure of, though, is that investing money<br>
>> into this campaign will achieve that. Is the debate video available<br>
>> somewhere, or commentary saying he won the debate? That makes a difference,<br>
>> and I can certainly see the value of $5,000 to amplify that if it is<br>
>> credible and exists.<br>
>><br>
>> I also note that, while it's a 3-way race, the Democrat doesn't strike me<br>
>> as particularly serious, which could be an opportunity. I don't think<br>
>> either of those candidates has been able to demonstrate that they care, and<br>
>> if Wicks can do that, if he had debate moments like Bill Clinton's answer on<br>
>> the national debt in that town hall debate, and we can make an ad with a 5<br>
>> second clip like that, I'm sold.<br>
>><br>
>> I'm less excited about the fact that this is an at-large Congressional<br>
>> seat. Yes, online ads have the greatest reach, but don't across to most as<br>
>> being as credible, and there's no other real way for him, with his budget,<br>
>> to reach across the state.<br>
>><br>
>> He is right that $5,000 is a small amount to invest. I don't like<br>
>> investing small amounts. As I argued at the last meeting about the<br>
>> consultants, people tell you what they are worth. Someone pricing<br>
>> themselves well below market is telling you something. Wicks is not pricing<br>
>> himself low, but I'm not convinced that $5,000 can do anything for him. It<br>
>> can get him an online ad, but I'm not sure it can get enough impressions to<br>
>> get people talking. So let me ask against - what is the maximum we can<br>
>> give? Also, if we gave more than $5,000, does he have the campaign<br>
>> infrastructure to use it effectively? I'm more interested in spending money<br>
>> where it can do good than in minimizing the money spent in a given place.<br>
>><br>
>> I like that the ask is for less than he's raised. I'm less thrilled that,<br>
>> with the full ask, he'd have $11,600 for a statewide Congressional race.<br>
>> I'm not concerned about that because it's not enough to win - I'm concerned<br>
>> about that because I don't know that it's enough to be heard outside of a<br>
>> small echo chamber.<br>
>><br>
>> He has a very nice website. It looks good, it draws you in, it's fairly<br>
>> interactive, and it focuses on applying our ideas in ways that matter to<br>
>> Montanans. On the other hand, with $6k raised, he didn't use a professional<br>
>> photographer, I think, for his photos. He looks much better in his tv shots<br>
>> than in his own pictures.<br>
>><br>
>> Bernie Sanders is campaigning for the Democrat (like I said, not serious)<br>
>> while Trump and Pence are both campaigning for the Republican. The<br>
>> Republicans, between party and PACs, are spending $1,600,000. Democrats are<br>
>> spending somewhere in the 6 digits. I don't think $11,600 is enough to have<br>
>> a voice, but $20,000 might be, if used correctly. This is a unique<br>
>> opportunity and a strong race. We've already put national firepower into<br>
>> getting him into the debate. I would like to see us give more, and<br>
>> accompany it with a national staffer acting as campaign adviser to improve a<br>
>> few of the nuts and bolts and making sure the amplification works out well.<br>
>> In the meantime, I will cosponsor a motion to give $5,000. I will not<br>
>> cosponsor a motion to give $2,500.<br>
>><br>
>> On the bigger picture: I agree that we need a better structure than having<br>
>> this board make such decisions on the basis of limited information, without<br>
>> much time to research. I had wanted to come up with such a structure, but<br>
>> life has gotten in the way, both for me and for the LNC. I also acknowledge<br>
>> that our budget is in a deficit - but our budget does include a line for<br>
>> candidates and campaigns, and only half of that line has been allocated, so<br>
>> we've already put aside money for this (in a sense). Furthermore, our cash<br>
>> position is entirely the result of our own decisions. I don't think we can<br>
>> make ourselves cash-poor, write a budget that shows a deficit (which I<br>
>> didn't vote for, for that reason among others), and then use that as a<br>
>> reason that we cannot help our candidates who can, in fact, make a<br>
>> difference and help grow this party - growth that will, hopefully, close<br>
>> that gap next year. Last year, we took in quite a bit more than we budgeted<br>
>> for - in large part based on the attention our national ticket was getting,<br>
>> and in large part because, I think, people wanted us to support key races.<br>
>> Is this a key race? I think it is, given the timing, the lack of a serious<br>
>> Democrat, the spending imbalance between the Rs and Ds, and so on, but<br>
>> that's for each of us to decide. Our candidate has also not just gotten<br>
>> into a debate, but shown that he knows what he's doing once there, and in<br>
>> the process gotten himself useful soundbites for an ad campaign (I'm<br>
>> assuming affirmative answers to my questions above).<br>
>><br>
>> Joshua A. Katz<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 4:13 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Mark Wicks provided these responses and apologized that he is not as<br>
>>> eloquent as possible as he was calling from the campaign trail:<br>
>>><br>
>>> "I think this is being looked at the wrong way. Both parties are looking<br>
>>> for a win to prove their agenda is supported by the American people. We need<br>
>>> to show that both parties are being rejected. A win cements that but we also<br>
>>> win with better voter numbers than we have ever seen before. It gives<br>
>>> legitimacy, and that helps all of us. It sets me up for 2018 and other<br>
>>> candidates as well. We can't raise money without some measure of success.<br>
>>> $5000 is a small investment into a campaign that will pay dividends for all<br>
>>> candidates. We won a battle getting into the debate, I won the debate, now<br>
>>> we are positioning pieces for the next war and trying to inflict as much<br>
>>> damage as possible in this one."<br>
>>><br>
>>> -Caryn Ann<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 6:08 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Alicia, yes, and running strong campaigns.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> -Caryn Ann<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 1:36 AM, Alicia Mattson <<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com" target="_blank">agmattson@gmail.com</a>><br>
>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> Also, is this looking to be a 3-way race with both the Democrats and<br>
>>>>> Republicans running candidates?<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> -Alicia<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Mon, May 8, 2017 at 4:19 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
>>>>> <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On behalf of Montana candidate Mark Wicks running for the vacated seat<br>
>>>>>> by the appointment of Zinke, he is requesting the LNC assist his campaign<br>
>>>>>> financially.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I had let him know specific information we would need, and would like<br>
>>>>>> to share that information:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I know you asked for a budget for how I will spend the money and with<br>
>>>>>> time constraints and getting the word out online media seems to be the way<br>
>>>>>> to go. We have ads that are being readied and ready to go anytime. Flathead<br>
>>>>>> county is having a Liberty Bash combined with a send the work truck event.<br>
>>>>>> We can get a live remote and good online adds for $2500. That will cover the<br>
>>>>>> valley really well. The east side of the state is taken care of and all the<br>
>>>>>> big towns are covered except Great Falls. I can use as much as the LP can<br>
>>>>>> send, but I think $5000 would make a good impact. We have received $3600,<br>
>>>>>> plus I have put in about $3000 total. I can't give any measure of impact.<br>
>>>>>> People are really searching for a third choice so even minimal presentation<br>
>>>>>> will go a long ways.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> If any LNC member is interested in co-sponsoring a motion to assist in<br>
>>>>>> any amount please let me know so we can craft.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> --<br>
>>>>>> In Liberty,<br>
>>>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
>>>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,<br>
>>>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -<br>
>>>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org<br>
>>>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado<br>
>>>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus<br>
>>>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:<br>
>>>>>> We defend your rights<br>
>>>>>> And oppose the use of force<br>
>>>>>> Taxation is theft<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>><br>
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>>>> In Liberty,<br>
>>>> Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
>>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska,<br>
>>>> Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) -<br>
>>>> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org<br>
>>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado<br>
>>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus<br>
>>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee<br>
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>>>><br>
>>><br>
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>>> In Liberty,<br>
>>> Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
>>> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,<br>
>>> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.<br>
>>> Harlos@LP.org<br>
>>> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado<br>
>>> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus<br>
>>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee<br>
>>><br>
>>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:<br>
>>> We defend your rights<br>
>>> And oppose the use of force<br>
>>> Taxation is theft<br>
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> --<br>
> In Liberty,<br>
> Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
> Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee (Alaska, Arizona,<br>
> Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - Caryn.Ann.<br>
> Harlos@LP.org<br>
> Communications Director, Libertarian Party of Colorado<br>
> Colorado State Coordinator, Libertarian Party Radical Caucus<br>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee<br>
><br>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:<br>
> We defend your rights<br>
> And oppose the use of force<br>
> Taxation is theft<br>
><br>
><br>
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</blockquote></div></div><div dir="ltr">-- <br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>Caryn Ann Harlos</b></font></div><div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative, Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party of Colorado</a></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Colorado State Coordinator, <a href="http://www.lpradicalcaucus.org" target="_blank">Libertarian Party Radical Caucus</a> </span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee</span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">A haiku to the Statement of Principles:</span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><i>We defend your rights</i></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><i>And oppose the use of force</i></span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><i>Taxation is theft</i></span></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><br></span></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>