<div dir="ltr"><div><div>Yes there was a vote. I believe I can share the numbers but cannot share who voted for what. However, I believe the committee can only vote on whether or not it would automate that process or not. It chose not. And it did not choose to open its meetings at this time. However, as another commenter said, "'Not open' in the sense that only the actual committee members are allowed to attend [or participate in an email group] is NOT the same thing as a requirement that what was discussed be kept secret -- and one does NOT imply the other."</div><div><div><br></div><div>I do not think the committee can tell any other member (and we didn't vote on this - this is a discussion that took place after the vote) that they cannot discuss deliberations or place restrictions on those discussions without executive session. And I doubt any member has any burning desire to go discuss <i>everything </i> but we understandingly are not amenable to a preemptive waiving of rights to speak. Of course, as it was alleged in an anonymous IPR comment, is is true that some members could simply go off and privately deliberate on each and every thing and simply exclude the other members, but I would find that not a good faith way to conduct a committee - to threaten exclusion if a member does not waive their rights. I would think that highly inappropriate and not the way to treat duly appointed members by this Body. Full participation in a committee should not require a gag order, and yes, saying that things that could otherwise be discussed, cannot be, on threat of penalty (be it lack of inclusion in participation or ostracizing) is a gag order.</div></div><div><br></div><div>I want to just move along and get to work. I seriously doubt there is anything that will be discussed in great detail outside of committee. I am aware of many of the proposals that members wish to bring forward and I doubt there will be anything terribly controversial or scandalous. Bylaws generally are not that juicy. </div><div><br></div><div>-Caryn Ann</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div></div></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 3:55 PM, Whitney Bilyeu <span><<a href="mailto:whitneycb76@gmail.com" target="_blank">whitneycb76@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>I was under the impression that there may have been a vote...on what, specifically, I don't know.<div><br></div><div>I guess my question is...did the Bylaws Committee have a vote to share their email discussions on read-only list, like the LNC does? If so, what were the votes and results?</div></div><div class="gmail-m_-7144225249135105952m_2751786190248968643m_-3113198426097749803HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-m_-7144225249135105952m_2751786190248968643m_-3113198426097749803h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 22, 2017 4:08 PM, "Caryn Ann Harlos" <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Thank you Daniel.</div><div><br></div><div>I am VERY unclear as to my rights, member rights, and obligations.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 2:45 PM <<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US"><div class="gmail-m_-7144225249135105952m_2751786190248968643m_-3113198426097749803m_-1647206838483743462m_4073854076830483671m_9093358900640674829WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">All, and especially Mr. Katz in his role as chairman of the Bylaws Committee,<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">It has come to my attention and my brain momentarily allotted enough bandwidth to really think about this. Under what authority are our bylaws meetings secret? (No, Starchild has not hijacked my computer). Specifically Ms. Harlos is acting like she just joined Fight Club. Ms. 1000 Emails being mostly clammed shut. I am worried she might end up like the kid from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory movie that got the experimental candy.<br><br>These are all the reasons for going into executive session in our rules with a majority vote.<br>• Legal matters (potential, pending, or past) <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">• Regulatory and compliance matters (potential, pending, or past) <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">• Contractual compliance <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">• Personnel matters (including evaluation, compensation, hiring, or dismissal) <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">• Board self-evaluation <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">• Strategic issues (only those requiring confidentiality) <u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">• Negotiations (potential, pending, or past) <br>Other topics require a two-thirds vote of LNC.<br> No action can be taken while in Executive Session.<br>Discussion of action which may be taken in Open Session can occur.<br><br><br>The reasons for going into Executive session are supposed to be listed if a vote was taken.<br><br>But when I ask about the vote to go into executive session I am told that there was no vote.<br><br>I realize that we have rules all over the place and I might be missing something, hence I am asking, Why?<br><br>Someone enlighten me as to what’s up before I slam big brown(11<sup>th</sup> ed.) on down.<br><br>How is this remotely in line with what this organization stands for?<br>I would flip a gasket if the Louisiana Legislature was operating in this manner. 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