<p dir="ltr">Also, why allow 6 or 7 when we only need 5? I think we need some carve out for non LNC participation, so long as a majority is maintained. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 29, 2017 11:39 AM, "Joshua Katz" <<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">It's fine with me, I just think there's little reason not to, for now at least, use the narrowest solution. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 29, 2017 11:36 AM, "Daniel Hayes" <<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Joshua,</div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995AppleMailSignature">What about the language Alicia presented?</div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995AppleMailSignature">Daniel<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 29, 2017, at 11:33 AM, Joshua Katz <<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><p dir="ltr">I think the simplest idea might be best. Just make it 5 lnc, 3 non. If we or a later lnc want to change it back, we will. That addresses all concerns I've seen, I think. I'd cosponsor something to that effect, once I see the language. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 29, 2017 11:28 AM, "Daniel Hayes" <<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Alicia,</div><div><br></div><div>Your points are well taken as are Joshua's. I had thought of many of the concerns raised but until it gets out there for everyone to kick the tires on, you just don't know how people will respond. I think dividing the question is probably the way to go. We haven't heard a big out cry one way or the other. So let me dig something up here and let it rip.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Daniel Hayes</div><div>LNC At Large Member<br><br><div>Sent from my iPhone</div></div><div><br>On Jun 28, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Alicia Mattson <<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com" target="_blank">agmattson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>I don't know that the COC will be taking earth-shattering votes on July 3rd. Maybe there's something bigger on the horizon than I'm thinking, but I think we'd be okay even if Erin were only technically participating as a volunteer for that one meeting.<br><br></div>-Alicia<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Sam Goldstein <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com" target="_blank">goldsteinatlarge@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I agree with Alicia's responses above and am OK with her proposed change to the <div>policy manual. This is a matter of some urgency since the next COC meeting be</div><div>on July 3rd.</div><span class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Sam</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Sam Goldstein<div>Libertarian National Committee</div><div>Member at Large</div><div>8925 N Meridian St, Ste 101</div><div>Indianapolis IN 46260</div><div><a href="tel:(317)%20850-0726" value="+13178500726" target="_blank">317-850-0726</a> Phone</div><div><a href="tel:(317)%20582-1773" value="+13175821773" target="_blank">317-582-1773</a> Fax</div></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 8:11 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Alicia makes very good points.</div><div><br></div><div>It seems to really matter in some committees and not as critical in others.</div><span class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Caryn Ann </div></font></span><div class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065HOEnZb"><div class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 6:09 PM Alicia Mattson <<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com" target="_blank">agmattson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div>I'm not in favor of a general rule which says that once an appointment is made, it is good for the duration of the term even if eligibility changes in the meantime.<br><br></div></div>Consider the Employment Policy and Compensation Committee. Our policy makes the LNC Chair ineligible to serve. Suppose a Chair is hit by the proverbial bus. Suppose the person chosen to fill the Chair vacancy was previously appointed to the EPCC. Having the Chair (staff supervisor) serve on the EPCC could be a problem. Suppose the new Chair asks staff to violate some policies. The EPCC is the entity that the staff should contact in such a situation, but now their boss is on the EPCC, so they're not going to do that.<br><br></div><div>Consider the Executive Committee. The 4 officers are ex-officio members of the ExComm. Suppose an officer resigns. Do we want that person to continue to serve on the ExComm, though they're no longer on the LNC?<br><br></div><div>There are probably other examples as well that could be problematic. Let's just address the situation at hand and not monkey with the system further.<br></div></div><div><div><br></div><div>-Alicia<br><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 11:53 AM, David Demarest <span><<a href="mailto:dprattdemarest@gmail.com" target="_blank">dprattdemarest@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>From a common sense perspective, I will support the proposal for adding a provision that a subsequent LNC status change would not affect a prior Committee appointment for the duration of the committee appointment term.<div><br></div><div>Thoughts?</div></div><div class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216HOEnZb"><div class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 28, 2017 1:40 PM, "Joshua Katz" <<a href="mailto:planning4liberty@gmail.com" target="_blank">planning4liberty@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Is there a particular reason we couldn't fix it this way, by email?</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div><div><div>Joshua A. Katz<div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Daniel Hayes <span><<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Also, the reason for not waiting till August is we will possibly be having some very substantive votes before the August LNC meeting and I would rather have the full COC able to legally vote. </div><span><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845AppleMailSignature">Daniel Hayes</div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845AppleMailSignature">LNC At Large Member <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div></span><div><div class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767h5"><div><br>On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I would be in favour of that. Often times person who will end up filling LNC vacancies are those involved already somewhere and showing leadership. I don't think we should be removing those people from consideration to fill a remaining term or making the other committees suffer. The spirit of the rule is to make a good faith to diversify positions, but having a crystal ball shouldn't be part of it.<div><br></div><div>So I would support.</div><div><br></div><div>Caryn Ann</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Daniel Hayes <span><<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>Caryn Ann,</div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845m_-9042961552186912319AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845m_-9042961552186912319AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845m_-9042961552186912319AppleMailSignature">I was actually considering broaching that change for the meeting in Kansas City. I think we should add a provision that if you are on a committee and your status changes by becoming LNC or Alternate or other such shift like being one of the regional reps on the ASC and you end up appointed as in an At Large position, you maintain your position on the committee for the duration of that term. </div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845m_-9042961552186912319AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845m_-9042961552186912319AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845m_-9042961552186912319AppleMailSignature">Daniel Hayes</div><div id="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845m_-9042961552186912319AppleMailSignature">LNC At Large Member<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class="m_-6269704233124836187m_-7679108847556330995m_-6297912911708543136m_1799878127950586065m_-3085430531640007422m_-4056618902613689216m_-752881123690178575m_4555336826300236767m_8232478012176481845h5"><div><br>On Jun 28, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I prefer the second. And wouldn't there be a different threshold? If we are going to over-ride the policy manual - we do it the right way by editing.<div><br></div><div>I think perhaps this brings up something that might need to be a permanent change - when people end up on the LNC but were not when they were appointed. I would be amenable to looking at something on that route too.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Daniel Hayes <span><<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">All,<br>
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We find ourselves with a bit a problem that needs fixing. The policy manual defines the Convention Oversight Committee as follows: "Four LNC Members or Alternates, plus 3 non-LNC members who are recommended by the Convention Oversight Committee" "LNC members selected by the LNC, non-LNC members selected by the LNC Chair".<br>
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Erin Adams has moved from being a non-LNC member to being a LNC Alternate. I have two alternatives on how to do it. I highly value Erin's work ethic and contribution to the COC and wish to keep her as a full voting member of the committee.<br>
<br>
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First, we could just do the following:<br>
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"Move to ratify Erin Adams, Whitney Bilyeu, William Brackeen, Sam Goldstein, Daniel Hayes, Alicia Mattson, and BetteRose Ryan as members of the Convention Oversight Committee for the current term, notwithstanding any rules in the LNC Policy Manual."<br>
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I included all the names because if we ratified one person but not the others, that might create some other problem.<br>
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This following option is a bit messier but more certain:<br>
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"Move to amend the chart in the LNC policy manual section 1.03 to define the size of the Convention Oversight Committee as,<br>
'Seven members composed of up to five LNC Members or Alternates, plus up to three non-LNC members who are recommended by the Convention Oversight Committee.';<br>
to sunset upon expiration of the current COC term and to ratify Erin Adams' position as a member of the Convention Oversight Committee."<br>
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My reason for the "up to" language is because life has a funny way of throwing us twists. IF for some reason a LNC member of the COC were to vacate their seat before the end of their term, I would expect us to restore the composition to 4 LNC and 3 non LNC members of the COC. The sunset is there to restore the original intent once this term is over.<br>
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I am not seeking co-sponsors for either motion yet, as I am checking a sense of the body to see which route we prefer to use.<br>
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