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<p>Starchild, if the LNC showed a significant interest in meeting at
free locations then I'd have Robert research more free locations
and I could probably find a few myself. However, the LNC has not
shown a significant interest in that. In any case, it is always
possible to meet on the top floor of the LPHQ for free if the LNC
wants to do that and the LPHQ has the benefit of being easily
accessible from a large airport. The top floor would of the LPHQ
would be a bit crowded, but would work, and it feels significantly
less claustrophobic than the basement, and certainly has better
air flow and ambiance, albeit the air conditioner is a bit on the
loud side. If it turned out to be nice weather, we could literally
meet in the parking lot with plenty of space and set up folding
tables and folding chairs. The parking lot is mostly empty on
Saturdays--Sunday we'd need to set up before the church traffic
arrives, but if we did, that would work fine. However, overhead
projectors and laptops would be hard to see outside. <br>
</p>
<p>If the LNC were to show interest in meeting at least twice per
year at LPHQ, I'd make an extra effort to reconfigure the office
to make it at least a little more comfortable for those meetings.
<br>
</p>
<p>LNC representatives from the west coast who feel it is unfair to
have to go to the east coast all the time could, if the LNC
approved, participate via adobe connect or conference call.</p>
<p>Likewise, if at some point the LNC decides it prefers to meet
without staff present, I'm pretty sure staff would be willing to
miss the meetings, although I will say I've often noticed LNC
discussions going in a sub-optimal direction based on not knowing
certain details, and when I've raised my hand and been called on
have provided additional information, that information has
informed the LNC and resulted in different decisions than if I had
not provided the info. <br>
</p>
<p> Our recent focus with LNC meetings has been to set up meetings
with major donors. We raised a significant amount of money in
Pittsburgh. If we cut out staff travel to LNC meetings, not as
many of those fundraising meetings could happen as effectively. <br>
</p>
<p>In the mean time, if the someone comes up with a great free
location for meetings that the rest of the LNC would support
using, those suggestions should be sent to the LNC
representatives. The LNC picks the meeting locations, and staff
will facilitate the LNC choices. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/14/2017 8:15 AM, Ken Moellman
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAMHzqAz9daw9KOoxR0Sovmm4q0OMRqr_LEsvtVoS70r0QZpHyQ@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="ltr">Based on the chart included above, it appears that
the cheapest option is to have more meetings at the Residence
Inn in VA near the office. I would not be opposed to more
meetings there.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>ken</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:49 AM,
Starchild <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
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<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Thank
you Wes, the spreadsheet is very helpful! I was afraid
that when I did finally receive information on this, it
might be incomplete, expenses lumped together in broad
catch-all categories, difficult to read, or otherwise
requiring more follow-up, but this chart looks pretty
clean and straightforward for the time period covered
(2011 to 2014), although it does appear that a couple
meetings which took place in 2013 are not included, as
only one meeting is listed for that year. Nevertheless,
this is substantially what I was looking for. It does
raise a question in my mind though of why Robert
couldn't have sent me this document when I first asked
him about meeting expense data, since it is several
years old and not I presume something that was just
created recently. But I won't dwell on that at this
point. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>More
of interest, <b>the total per meeting costs are higher
than I had been led to believe. The average cost of an
LNC meeting is listed as $4,844, whereas the number
Robert previously mentioned to me was $2,500 per
meeting.</b> Admittedly, he may not have been
including some elements of the total cost, such as staff
travel, in that lower figure. But not having any better
data, I subsequently cited the $2500 number repeatedly
as an overall per meeting cost estimate, I'm pretty sure
both in meetings and via email, without him or anybody
else correcting me (I do have a vague recollection of at
least one person telling me in conversation not during a
meeting that they thought the cost was higher, but that
might have been somebody not on the LNC). It appears
that either the rest of the LNC has been as ignorant as
myself of the real costs, or the misinformation of that
incorrect lower number was simply allowed to go
unchallenged.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I
am glad to hear you say that staff has no requirement
for expensive meetings. I've repeatedly gotten the sense
that Robert prefers them, although I don't recall that
he's ever said so in so many words. My own view more
than ever is that there is definite room for savings in
these numbers, both on the LNC side (pay for our own
food and beverages, meet in less posh venues than hotel
conference rooms), and on the staff side (it seems to me
that we shouldn't need to take more than one staff
member, at most, away from the Alexandria office to fly
them to a meeting and put them up in a hotel for the
weekend, when the LNC can always have a staff member
call in to the meeting if needed, as we often do with
our attorney, our FEC consultant, and other individuals.
Even if we paid a staff member two day's wages just to
be "on call" for the weekend for when we might want to
reach them by phone, the cost to the party would be
considerably less than flying the person across the
country and paying for a hotel room.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Also
glad to hear you say that there's nothing particularly
secret about the venue meeting contracts, although it's
really more the cost data than the contracts that I'm
after with regard to meeting room contracts. A hotel's
"request" for "confidentiality" certainly doesn't sound
like a legally binding condition of secrecy imposed upon
us however (if they're <i>demanding</i> secrecy as a
contract clause, we should be informed of that before
signing, but that seems unlikely, and I think our
standard negotiating position should be "we don't do
secrecy"). In any case, contracts have sometimes been
sent out to this public email list or disclosed during
regular LNC meetings that are open to the public, so
shouldn't normally require any kind of written contract
to pass along. If a majority of the LNC feels a
particular contract, or parts of it, should be kept
secret, as with the 2016 contract with the Johnson/Weld
campaign has been (until this September, if I recall
correctly), it seems to me we can address that on a
case-by-case basis. I do appreciate you sending the
contracts (which I have yet to review) for our two
upcoming meetings.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Regarding
other past meeting room costs (from 2014-2017) I'm not
in a particular rush to see that data, although I would
like to see it at some point in the next few months.
Going further back, I'd also like to know if there are
records of free meeting spaces that have been used for
LNC meetings, and if so where they were. Of course
originally there was David Nolan's living room, and if
it was good enough for our founders, well! But even
after the LNC got started and had like 25 people showing
up to meetings, I'll bet they sometimes met in spaces
they didn't pay for. Going forward, the important thing
to me is that we see prior to each meeting the estimated
costs for various proposed sites, broken down as they
are in the spreadsheet, before we make any final
decision on where to meet. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div>P.S. – Someone gave me an excellent suggestion
recently, which is that we look into renting a whole
house on AirBnB or another homesharing service for LNC
meetings. In Kansas City, for instance, we could have
rented this place, which I found in just a few minutes:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><img
id="m_1939954475407308307a59732b1-a574-4774-9075-640a526a8a9e"
src="cid:part3.62616937.23A293E7@lp.org" class=""
height="664" width="1000"></div>
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<div><a
href="https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/19641293?location=Kansas%20City&check_in=2017-08-19&check_out=2017-08-20&s=UkpxykRA"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/<wbr>19641293?location=Kansas%<wbr>20City&check_in=2017-08-19&<wbr>check_out=2017-08-20&s=<wbr>UkpxykRA</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>At $419 per night and 8 beds, we could have 8 people
sleeping there at the affordable price of around $50 per
person, and it would basically cover the meeting space
with a cost of $0 to the LP. Now it does say "no
parties/events" but I suspect if we'd told them what we
had in mind, they'd be fine with it. I think we should
look for options like this before spending thousands to
be at a hotel.</div>
<div><br>
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<div><img
id="m_1939954475407308307245e7da0-e9d8-47e3-b94e-e312dc9d9277"
src="cid:part5.6A8B02D9.B5B046F9@lp.org" class=""
height="534" width="834"></div>
<div> </div>
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<div>
<div>On Jul 13, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Wes Benedict wrote:</div>
<br
class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Starchild,<br>
<br>
If I thought this information would be useful for an
upcoming decision, I'd make sure we bumped other
things back and moved this forward.<br>
<br>
Robert has kept a spreadsheet detailing the LNC
meeting costs. It's significantly out of date and
will take time to update.<br>
<br>
If I get a sense from a significant number on the
LNC that it is important enough for us to stop other
work and get that spreadsheet updated, we could
certainly do that.<br>
<br>
Or, if the LNC would be satisfied to get a list of
meetings from the past just to get a sense of the
costs, Robert has provided that and it's attached.<br>
<br>
I don't personally see much coming from providing
that information urgently, but again, we could
certainly get it done if it was a top priority.<br>
<br>
In general, staff has usually included in our
suggestions and research low-cost options like
Oklahoma and Alexandria, and the LNC has chosen
places that were not the lowest cost options staff
has provided. I point that out, because I want to
make it clear that, if the costs of LNC meetings is
your concern, I don't want our membership or the LNC
to think that staff requires expensive meetings. We
go with the flow of the LNC. Of the 5 to 10 times
I've suggested a specific location for an LNC
meeting, I don't think the LNC has taken my
suggestion. I don't mind. I've thought most of the
places we've had meetings were reasonably decided.<br>
<br>
I think Robert has shown many of the contracts to
you in person when you've visited LPHQ.<br>
<br>
I believe Robert has offered to email all the
contracts to you if you sign the standard
Non-Disclosure Agreement. I believe you have so far
chosen not to sign the non-disclosure agreement for
certain reasons that you're in a better situation to
explain than me. It's not a big deal to me
personally, just has been our practice related to
contracts.<br>
<br>
I don't think there's anything especially
interesting or "secret" in any of the contracts
we've had with hotels to have LNC meetings. Payments
to hotels can be found in detail on the FEC website.<br>
<br>
I think sometimes vendors offer "discounts" and
sometimes put in their contracts terms requesting
confidentiality, but I'm not going to go through and
dig up a bunch of contracts to see for myself unless
I get a sense from the LNC that that is what they
want staff to spend time on.<br>
<br>
If the LNC could pass a motion requesting staff to
provide all the LNC meeting contracts to Starchild
and other LNC members without requiring an NDA, I'd
feel more comfortable stopping other work and doing
that, and not requiring an NDA.<br>
<br>
We did not find the word "Confidential" in the
upcoming LNC meeting in Kansas City and New Orleans.
Those contract are attached.<br>
<br>
<br>
Wes Benedict, Executive Director<br>
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.<br>
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314<br>
<a href="tel:%28202%29%20333-0008"
value="+12023330008" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(202) 333-0008 ext. 232</a>,
<a href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">wes.benedict@lp.org</a><br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">facebook.com/libertarians</a>
@LPNational<br>
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<br>
On 7/13/2017 10:03 AM, Aaron Starr wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">"Do you agree with Alicia
and I that the LNC should be provided with data on<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">our meeting costs as I've
been requesting? Going forward, I would like to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">see those costs disclosed
upfront, before a meeting site is selected, and I<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">would also like to see the
our past costs for each meeting this term, within<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">some reasonable frame of
time."<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">While I am not personally
fixated on the costs of meetings, I do believe<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">that it is perfectly
reasonable for a member of this committee to
request<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">past data on our meeting
costs and copies of contracts. That information
was<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">requested on June 6 and
should have been provided by now.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Aaron Starr<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><a
href="tel:%28805%29%20583-3308"
value="+18055833308" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(805) 583-3308</a> Home<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><a
href="tel:%28805%29%20404-8693"
value="+18054048693" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(805) 404-8693</a> Mobile<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><a
href="mailto:starrcpa@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">starrcpa@gmail.com</a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">From: Lnc-business [mailto:<a
href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lnc-business-bounces@<wbr>hq.lp.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Starchild<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Sent: Thursday, July 13,
2017 1:22 AM<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">To: Nick Sarwark<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Cc: Libertarian National
Committee list<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: [Lnc-business]
The Libertarian Party only has 2 full-time<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">staffers?!<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Thanks
Nick. So I guess the question remains, who is
answering the<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">phones and handling routine
office tasks? Austin Petersen says that during<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">his time in the office, he
developed a strong intern program. If so, I'm<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">wondering what happened to
that program. Do we have any written records of<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">it, and if so, can those
records be sent to the LNC?<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>My
understanding - correct me if I'm wrong - is that
we don't<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">currently have any interns,
but if we have names and contact info of past<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">interns, I'd volunteer to
call them and ask about their experience working<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">as interns for the LP. That
could help us rebuild a program and start<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">getting more bodies in the
office getting stuff done, including routine<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">tasks.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Do
you agree with Alicia and I that the LNC should be
provided with<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">data on our meeting costs as
I've been requesting? Going forward, I would<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">like to see those costs
disclosed upfront, before a meeting site is<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">selected, and I would also
like to see the our past costs for each meeting<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">this term, within some
reasonable frame of time. Do you have any
objection<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">to this, and if not, what
time frames seem reasonable to you?<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Love & Liberty,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (((
starchild ))) At-Large<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Representative, Libertarian
National Committee<br>
</blockquote>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RealR<wbr>eform@earthlink.net</a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> @StarchildSF<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">On Jul 12, 2017, at 9:08 PM,
Nicholas Sarwark wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Starchild,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">At present, the LNC has
Wes Benedict, Eric Dixon, and Robert Kraus<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">full-time and based out of
the Alexandria office. My understanding is<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">that Nick Dunbar and Mat
Thexton are also based out of that office,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">though not full-time. We
also have a number of contractors working<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">remotely, including Andy
Burns, Lauren Daugherty, Jess Mears, Denise<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Luckey, Bob Johnston, and
Elizabeth Brierly.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Wes and I are in the midst
of interviewing candidates for Press<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Secretary, which is
anticipated to be full-time, and will be moving
on<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">to interviewing candidates
for a Candidate Support Specialist shortly.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Yours in liberty,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Nick<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at
8:05 PM, Starchild <<a
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Thank you, Alicia.
Coupled with the Convention Oversight
Committee<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">experience you mention,
this does raise questions. But beyond the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">issue of getting the
requested information, I was honestly shocked
to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">hear that only Wes and
Robert are usually in the office full time. If<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">their time is valuable
enough to justify what we're paying them,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">surely we should not be
having them routinely spend that time on<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">tasks that lower-paid
staffers, or volunteers, could be handling.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">I would like to hear
what Nick Sarwark as chair thinks about both
the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">data request compliance
and how staff hours are apparently being<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">allocated.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Love & Liberty,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (((
starchild ))) At-Large<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Representative,
Libertarian National Committee<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<a
href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RealR<wbr>eform@earthlink.net</a><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (415)
625-FREE<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> @StarchildSF<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:02
PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Starchild,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">I have a lot of
disagreements with your other ideas about how
we<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">should find meeting
locations and what arrangements are workable.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">However, I do agree with
you that it should not take so long to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">provide the LNC with
basic data about the routine costs of our<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">meetings, and provide
copies of the meeting space contracts showing<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">which of those expenses
are required performance. You've been asking<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">for some time, and it's
not that large of a data request.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Recently, the Convention
Oversight Committee was not in agreement<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">about whether to again
use an outside professional to assist with the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">2020 site search, or
whether to do it in-house with Robert Kraus as
the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">point person.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">When the issue of asking
a staff member to take on such a<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">time-consuming job was
discussed, the COC was told that when Wes<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">tells the LNC that staff
is overloaded, that characterization does<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">not necessarily include
Robert Kraus, and he was willing and able to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">add such a large project
to his plate. If that's the case, then I<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">don't see why there
isn't time to fulfill this data request of
yours in a<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">more timely manner.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">-Alicia<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at
4:34 PM, Starchild <<a
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Maybe I just haven't
been paying attention. That's what LP<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">operations manager
Robert Kraus suggested when I spoke with him<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">today and expressed
surprise at his statement that he and Wes<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Benedict are the only
paid staff working full time at our office.
He<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">said that if I'd read
the report Wes presented at the last LNC
meeting,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I would have been aware of
the situation.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Robert told me this by
way of explaining why he has not yet sent
the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">LNC the details of how
much we are paying for hotel meeting space,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">food and beverage
obligations, staff airline flights, shipping<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">costs, etc., in
connection with LNC meetings. At the last
LNC<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">meeting in Pittsburgh
in April, he told me in response to my
asking<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">him for this
information that he would send it within a
week or so.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">When I spoke with him
today, he said that if I wanted him to stop<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">what he was doing and
send the information now, he would have to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">stop working on
updating donor information to help us raise
money,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">because he was the
only person in the office right now. When I
asked<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">whether he could get
us the meeting information prior to the next<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">LNC meeting on August
19 (over 2 months from now, and 4 months
from when<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">he originally said he'd
provide it), his response was "possibly".<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">We have 11 people
listed on our staff page<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">(<a
href="https://www.lp.org/staff/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.lp.org/staff/</a>),
not even counting individuals like our<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">legal counsel and our
FEC consultant who are kind of "on call",
and<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">although political
director Carla Howell's contract wasn't
renewed,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">the chair recently
proposed adding an additional lower-level<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">staffer. With that
many folks on the roster, I don't understand
why<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">the two highest-paid
individuals on staff are the only ones who
are<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">being paid full-time
salaries and asked to staff the office
largely<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">by themselves. If this
is true, it means that our highest-paid<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">staffers are likely
spending a significant part of their time
doing<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">routine office tasks
like answering phone calls which could be
handled<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">by lower-paid staffers or
even by volunteers.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Robert did say he
agreed with me that staff should not be
asked to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">monitor or be involved
in the party's social media outreach, which<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">would potentially take
a lot of their time away from other tasks. I<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">also suggested that
volunteers, instead of staff, could be the
ones<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">to research LNC
meeting locations and present options to the
LNC.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Local activists in the
cities where we're considering holding<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">meetings would be the
logical people to do this. If we don't have<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">any local activists in
a particular area able to help us find free<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">or low-cost meeting
venues there and help with details such as<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">coordinating local
transportation and folks able to host
out-of-town<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">visitors, it would beg
the question of why we are meeting in that<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">location instead of
somewhere there is an active local
Libertarian<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">organization that can
support us and which we in turn can support
by<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">seeking to arrange to
have visiting LNC members make press
appearances,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">attend local campaign
events, do fundraising, etc., while in town.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">But if what Robert
says is correct, it seems to me that we are
not<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">running our office
efficiently. It also seems to me that LNC
members<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">being made to wait
months and months after an LNC meeting to
see<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">what the actual
expenses were for that meeting is
unreasonable.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Actually, we should be
seeing such expenses listed before each<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">meeting, since
expenses like hotel meeting space fees, food
and<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">beverage obligations,
staff airline flights, and shipping costs
are<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">in most cases known in
advance. And we should be seeing estimates
of<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">these costs prior to
even making a decision on where to meet,
since such<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">costs ought to factor into
our decisions.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Love & Liberty,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (((
starchild )))</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">At-Large Representative,
Libertarian National Committee</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
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href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RealR<wbr>eform@earthlink.net</a><br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (415)
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<blockquote type="cite">
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<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite">
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