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<p>A Northern Virginia Libertarian and Robert Kraus just reminded me
there's a Libertarian who owns a couple hotels in the area where
we could meet for free as well. One is a Best Western. The room
rates are pretty low when I just checked.<br>
</p>
<p>So, you've got two free options in the Alexandria/DC area. I'll
leave it to others to find and inspect potential free meeting
locations in other parts of the U.S.</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/14/2017 10:20 AM, Wes Benedict
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:67161661-5673-776a-c908-79de486e0564@lp.org">
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<p>Starchild, if the LNC showed a significant interest in meeting
at free locations then I'd have Robert research more free
locations and I could probably find a few myself. However, the
LNC has not shown a significant interest in that. In any case,
it is always possible to meet on the top floor of the LPHQ for
free if the LNC wants to do that and the LPHQ has the benefit of
being easily accessible from a large airport. The top floor
would of the LPHQ would be a bit crowded, but would work, and it
feels significantly less claustrophobic than the basement, and
certainly has better air flow and ambiance, albeit the air
conditioner is a bit on the loud side. If it turned out to be
nice weather, we could literally meet in the parking lot with
plenty of space and set up folding tables and folding chairs.
The parking lot is mostly empty on Saturdays--Sunday we'd need
to set up before the church traffic arrives, but if we did, that
would work fine. However, overhead projectors and laptops would
be hard to see outside. <br>
</p>
<p>If the LNC were to show interest in meeting at least twice per
year at LPHQ, I'd make an extra effort to reconfigure the office
to make it at least a little more comfortable for those
meetings. <br>
</p>
<p>LNC representatives from the west coast who feel it is unfair
to have to go to the east coast all the time could, if the LNC
approved, participate via adobe connect or conference call.</p>
<p>Likewise, if at some point the LNC decides it prefers to meet
without staff present, I'm pretty sure staff would be willing to
miss the meetings, although I will say I've often noticed LNC
discussions going in a sub-optimal direction based on not
knowing certain details, and when I've raised my hand and been
called on have provided additional information, that information
has informed the LNC and resulted in different decisions than if
I had not provided the info. <br>
</p>
<p> Our recent focus with LNC meetings has been to set up meetings
with major donors. We raised a significant amount of money in
Pittsburgh. If we cut out staff travel to LNC meetings, not as
many of those fundraising meetings could happen as effectively.
<br>
</p>
<p>In the mean time, if the someone comes up with a great free
location for meetings that the rest of the LNC would support
using, those suggestions should be sent to the LNC
representatives. The LNC picks the meeting locations, and staff
will facilitate the LNC choices. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org" moz-do-not-send="true">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/14/2017 8:15 AM, Ken Moellman
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAMHzqAz9daw9KOoxR0Sovmm4q0OMRqr_LEsvtVoS70r0QZpHyQ@mail.gmail.com">
<div dir="ltr">Based on the chart included above, it appears
that the cheapest option is to have more meetings at the
Residence Inn in VA near the office. I would not be opposed
to more meetings there.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>ken</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 14, 2017 at 2:49 AM,
Starchild <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Thank
you Wes, the spreadsheet is very helpful! I was afraid
that when I did finally receive information on this,
it might be incomplete, expenses lumped together in
broad catch-all categories, difficult to read, or
otherwise requiring more follow-up, but this chart
looks pretty clean and straightforward for the time
period covered (2011 to 2014), although it does appear
that a couple meetings which took place in 2013 are
not included, as only one meeting is listed for that
year. Nevertheless, this is substantially what I was
looking for. It does raise a question in my mind
though of why Robert couldn't have sent me this
document when I first asked him about meeting expense
data, since it is several years old and not I presume
something that was just created recently. But I won't
dwell on that at this point. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>More
of interest, <b>the total per meeting costs are
higher than I had been led to believe. The average
cost of an LNC meeting is listed as $4,844, whereas
the number Robert previously mentioned to me was
$2,500 per meeting.</b> Admittedly, he may not have
been including some elements of the total cost, such
as staff travel, in that lower figure. But not having
any better data, I subsequently cited the $2500 number
repeatedly as an overall per meeting cost estimate,
I'm pretty sure both in meetings and via email,
without him or anybody else correcting me (I do have a
vague recollection of at least one person telling me
in conversation not during a meeting that they thought
the cost was higher, but that might have been somebody
not on the LNC). It appears that either the rest of
the LNC has been as ignorant as myself of the real
costs, or the misinformation of that incorrect lower
number was simply allowed to go unchallenged.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>I
am glad to hear you say that staff has no requirement
for expensive meetings. I've repeatedly gotten the
sense that Robert prefers them, although I don't
recall that he's ever said so in so many words. My own
view more than ever is that there is definite room for
savings in these numbers, both on the LNC side (pay
for our own food and beverages, meet in less posh
venues than hotel conference rooms), and on the staff
side (it seems to me that we shouldn't need to take
more than one staff member, at most, away from the
Alexandria office to fly them to a meeting and put
them up in a hotel for the weekend, when the LNC can
always have a staff member call in to the meeting if
needed, as we often do with our attorney, our FEC
consultant, and other individuals. Even if we paid a
staff member two day's wages just to be "on call" for
the weekend for when we might want to reach them by
phone, the cost to the party would be considerably
less than flying the person across the country and
paying for a hotel room.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Also
glad to hear you say that there's nothing particularly
secret about the venue meeting contracts, although
it's really more the cost data than the contracts that
I'm after with regard to meeting room contracts. A
hotel's "request" for "confidentiality" certainly
doesn't sound like a legally binding condition of
secrecy imposed upon us however (if they're <i>demanding</i>
secrecy as a contract clause, we should be informed of
that before signing, but that seems unlikely, and I
think our standard negotiating position should be "we
don't do secrecy"). In any case, contracts have
sometimes been sent out to this public email list or
disclosed during regular LNC meetings that are open to
the public, so shouldn't normally require any kind of
written contract to pass along. If a majority of the
LNC feels a particular contract, or parts of it,
should be kept secret, as with the 2016 contract with
the Johnson/Weld campaign has been (until this
September, if I recall correctly), it seems to me we
can address that on a case-by-case basis. I do
appreciate you sending the contracts (which I have yet
to review) for our two upcoming meetings.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Regarding
other past meeting room costs (from 2014-2017) I'm not
in a particular rush to see that data, although I
would like to see it at some point in the next few
months. Going further back, I'd also like to know if
there are records of free meeting spaces that have
been used for LNC meetings, and if so where they were.
Of course originally there was David Nolan's living
room, and if it was good enough for our founders,
well! But even after the LNC got started and had like
25 people showing up to meetings, I'll bet they
sometimes met in spaces they didn't pay for. Going
forward, the important thing to me is that we see
prior to each meeting the estimated costs for various
proposed sites, broken down as they are in the
spreadsheet, before we make any final decision on
where to meet. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Love & Liberty,</div>
<div> </div>
<div> ((( starchild
)))</div>
<div>
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Committee</div>
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<div><br>
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<div>P.S. – Someone gave me an excellent suggestion
recently, which is that we look into renting a whole
house on AirBnB or another homesharing service for LNC
meetings. In Kansas City, for instance, we could have
rented this place, which I found in just a few
minutes:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><img
id="m_1939954475407308307a59732b1-a574-4774-9075-640a526a8a9e"
src="cid:part5.B2A58396.D61F0EF9@lp.org" class=""
height="664" width="1000"></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/19641293?location=Kansas%20City&check_in=2017-08-19&check_out=2017-08-20&s=UkpxykRA"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/<wbr>19641293?location=Kansas%<wbr>20City&check_in=2017-08-19&<wbr>check_out=2017-08-20&s=<wbr>UkpxykRA</a></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>At $419 per night and 8 beds, we could have 8
people sleeping there at the affordable price of
around $50 per person, and it would basically cover
the meeting space with a cost of $0 to the LP. Now it
does say "no parties/events" but I suspect if we'd
told them what we had in mind, they'd be fine with it.
I think we should look for options like this before
spending thousands to be at a hotel.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><img
id="m_1939954475407308307245e7da0-e9d8-47e3-b94e-e312dc9d9277"
src="cid:part7.3CD56848.E761CD58@lp.org" class=""
height="534" width="834"></div>
<div> </div>
<br>
<div>
<div>On Jul 13, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Wes Benedict wrote:</div>
<br
class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Starchild,<br>
<br>
If I thought this information would be useful for
an upcoming decision, I'd make sure we bumped
other things back and moved this forward.<br>
<br>
Robert has kept a spreadsheet detailing the LNC
meeting costs. It's significantly out of date and
will take time to update.<br>
<br>
If I get a sense from a significant number on the
LNC that it is important enough for us to stop
other work and get that spreadsheet updated, we
could certainly do that.<br>
<br>
Or, if the LNC would be satisfied to get a list of
meetings from the past just to get a sense of the
costs, Robert has provided that and it's attached.<br>
<br>
I don't personally see much coming from providing
that information urgently, but again, we could
certainly get it done if it was a top priority.<br>
<br>
In general, staff has usually included in our
suggestions and research low-cost options like
Oklahoma and Alexandria, and the LNC has chosen
places that were not the lowest cost options staff
has provided. I point that out, because I want to
make it clear that, if the costs of LNC meetings
is your concern, I don't want our membership or
the LNC to think that staff requires expensive
meetings. We go with the flow of the LNC. Of the 5
to 10 times I've suggested a specific location for
an LNC meeting, I don't think the LNC has taken my
suggestion. I don't mind. I've thought most of the
places we've had meetings were reasonably decided.<br>
<br>
I think Robert has shown many of the contracts to
you in person when you've visited LPHQ.<br>
<br>
I believe Robert has offered to email all the
contracts to you if you sign the standard
Non-Disclosure Agreement. I believe you have so
far chosen not to sign the non-disclosure
agreement for certain reasons that you're in a
better situation to explain than me. It's not a
big deal to me personally, just has been our
practice related to contracts.<br>
<br>
I don't think there's anything especially
interesting or "secret" in any of the contracts
we've had with hotels to have LNC meetings.
Payments to hotels can be found in detail on the
FEC website.<br>
<br>
I think sometimes vendors offer "discounts" and
sometimes put in their contracts terms requesting
confidentiality, but I'm not going to go through
and dig up a bunch of contracts to see for myself
unless I get a sense from the LNC that that is
what they want staff to spend time on.<br>
<br>
If the LNC could pass a motion requesting staff to
provide all the LNC meeting contracts to Starchild
and other LNC members without requiring an NDA,
I'd feel more comfortable stopping other work and
doing that, and not requiring an NDA.<br>
<br>
We did not find the word "Confidential" in the
upcoming LNC meeting in Kansas City and New
Orleans. Those contract are attached.<br>
<br>
<br>
Wes Benedict, Executive Director<br>
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.<br>
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314<br>
<a href="tel:%28202%29%20333-0008"
value="+12023330008" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(202) 333-0008 ext. 232</a>,
<a href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wes.benedict@lp.org</a><br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">facebook.com/libertarians</a>
@LPNational<br>
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<br>
On 7/13/2017 10:03 AM, Aaron Starr wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">"Do you agree with Alicia
and I that the LNC should be provided with data
on<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">our meeting costs as I've
been requesting? Going forward, I would like to<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">see those costs disclosed
upfront, before a meeting site is selected, and
I<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">would also like to see the
our past costs for each meeting this term,
within<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">some reasonable frame of
time."<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">While I am not personally
fixated on the costs of meetings, I do believe<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">that it is perfectly
reasonable for a member of this committee to
request<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">past data on our meeting
costs and copies of contracts. That information
was<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">requested on June 6 and
should have been provided by now.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Aaron Starr<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><a
href="tel:%28805%29%20583-3308"
value="+18055833308" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(805) 583-3308</a> Home<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><a
href="tel:%28805%29%20404-8693"
value="+18054048693" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(805) 404-8693</a>
Mobile<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><a
href="mailto:starrcpa@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">starrcpa@gmail.com</a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">-----Original Message-----<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">From: Lnc-business
[mailto:<a
href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lnc-business-bounces@<wbr>hq.lp.org</a>]
On Behalf Of<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Starchild<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Sent: Thursday, July 13,
2017 1:22 AM<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">To: Nick Sarwark<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Cc: Libertarian National
Committee list<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re:
[Lnc-business] The Libertarian Party only has 2
full-time<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">staffers?!<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Thanks
Nick. So I guess the question remains, who is
answering the<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">phones and handling
routine office tasks? Austin Petersen says that
during<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">his time in the office, he
developed a strong intern program. If so, I'm<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">wondering what happened to
that program. Do we have any written records of<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">it, and if so, can those
records be sent to the LNC?<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>My
understanding - correct me if I'm wrong - is
that we don't<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">currently have any
interns, but if we have names and contact info
of past<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">interns, I'd volunteer to
call them and ask about their experience working<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">as interns for the LP.
That could help us rebuild a program and start<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">getting more bodies in the
office getting stuff done, including routine<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">tasks.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><span class="m_1939954475407308307Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Do
you agree with Alicia and I that the LNC should
be provided with<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">data on our meeting costs
as I've been requesting? Going forward, I would<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">like to see those costs
disclosed upfront, before a meeting site is<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">selected, and I would also
like to see the our past costs for each meeting<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">this term, within some
reasonable frame of time. Do you have any
objection<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">to this, and if not, what
time frames seem reasonable to you?<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Love & Liberty,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (((
starchild ))) At-Large<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">Representative,
Libertarian National Committee<br>
</blockquote>
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href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RealR<wbr>eform@earthlink.net</a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (415)
625-FREE<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> @StarchildSF<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">On Jul 12, 2017, at 9:08
PM, Nicholas Sarwark wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Starchild,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">At present, the LNC has
Wes Benedict, Eric Dixon, and Robert Kraus<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">full-time and based out
of the Alexandria office. My understanding is<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">that Nick Dunbar and Mat
Thexton are also based out of that office,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">though not full-time.
We also have a number of contractors working<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">remotely, including Andy
Burns, Lauren Daugherty, Jess Mears, Denise<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Luckey, Bob Johnston,
and Elizabeth Brierly.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Wes and I are in the
midst of interviewing candidates for Press<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Secretary, which is
anticipated to be full-time, and will be
moving on<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">to interviewing
candidates for a Candidate Support Specialist
shortly.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Yours in liberty,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Nick<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at
8:05 PM, Starchild <<a
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Thank you, Alicia.
Coupled with the Convention Oversight
Committee<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">experience you
mention, this does raise questions. But
beyond the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">issue of getting the
requested information, I was honestly
shocked to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">hear that only Wes and
Robert are usually in the office full time.
If<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">their time is valuable
enough to justify what we're paying them,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">surely we should not
be having them routinely spend that time on<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">tasks that lower-paid
staffers, or volunteers, could be handling.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">I would like to hear
what Nick Sarwark as chair thinks about both
the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">data request
compliance and how staff hours are
apparently being<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">allocated.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Love & Liberty,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (((
starchild ))) At-Large<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Representative,
Libertarian National Committee<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<a
href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RealR<wbr>eform@earthlink.net</a><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (415)
625-FREE<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> @StarchildSF<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">On Jun 7, 2017, at
3:02 PM, Alicia Mattson wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Starchild,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">I have a lot of
disagreements with your other ideas about
how we<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">should find meeting
locations and what arrangements are
workable.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">However, I do agree
with you that it should not take so long to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">provide the LNC with
basic data about the routine costs of our<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">meetings, and provide
copies of the meeting space contracts
showing<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">which of those
expenses are required performance. You've
been asking<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">for some time, and
it's not that large of a data request.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Recently, the
Convention Oversight Committee was not in
agreement<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">about whether to again
use an outside professional to assist with
the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">2020 site search, or
whether to do it in-house with Robert Kraus
as the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">point person.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">When the issue of
asking a staff member to take on such a<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">time-consuming job was
discussed, the COC was told that when Wes<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">tells the LNC that
staff is overloaded, that characterization
does<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">not necessarily
include Robert Kraus, and he was willing and
able to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">add such a large
project to his plate. If that's the case,
then I<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">don't see why there
isn't time to fulfill this data request of
yours in a<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">more timely manner.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">-Alicia<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at
4:34 PM, Starchild <<a
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Maybe I just haven't
been paying attention. That's what LP<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">operations manager
Robert Kraus suggested when I spoke with
him<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">today and expressed
surprise at his statement that he and Wes<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Benedict are the
only paid staff working full time at our
office. He<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">said that if I'd
read the report Wes presented at the last
LNC meeting,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">I would have been aware of
the situation.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Robert told me this
by way of explaining why he has not yet
sent the<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">LNC the details of
how much we are paying for hotel meeting
space,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">food and beverage
obligations, staff airline flights,
shipping<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">costs, etc., in
connection with LNC meetings. At the last
LNC<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">meeting in
Pittsburgh in April, he told me in
response to my asking<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">him for this
information that he would send it within a
week or so.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">When I spoke with
him today, he said that if I wanted him to
stop<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">what he was doing
and send the information now, he would
have to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">stop working on
updating donor information to help us
raise money,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">because he was the
only person in the office right now. When
I asked<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">whether he could get
us the meeting information prior to the
next<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">LNC meeting on
August 19 (over 2 months from now, and 4
months from when<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">he originally said he'd
provide it), his response was "possibly".<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">We have 11 people
listed on our staff page<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">(<a
href="https://www.lp.org/staff/"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.lp.org/staff/</a>),
not even counting individuals like our<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">legal counsel and
our FEC consultant who are kind of "on
call", and<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">although political
director Carla Howell's contract wasn't
renewed,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">the chair recently
proposed adding an additional lower-level<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">staffer. With that
many folks on the roster, I don't
understand why<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">the two highest-paid
individuals on staff are the only ones who
are<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">being paid full-time
salaries and asked to staff the office
largely<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">by themselves. If
this is true, it means that our
highest-paid<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">staffers are likely
spending a significant part of their time
doing<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">routine office tasks
like answering phone calls which could be
handled<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">by lower-paid staffers or
even by volunteers.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Robert did say he
agreed with me that staff should not be
asked to<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">monitor or be
involved in the party's social media
outreach, which<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">would potentially
take a lot of their time away from other
tasks. I<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">also suggested that
volunteers, instead of staff, could be the
ones<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">to research LNC
meeting locations and present options to
the LNC.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Local activists in
the cities where we're considering holding<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">meetings would be
the logical people to do this. If we don't
have<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">any local activists
in a particular area able to help us find
free<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">or low-cost meeting
venues there and help with details such as<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">coordinating local
transportation and folks able to host
out-of-town<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">visitors, it would
beg the question of why we are meeting in
that<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">location instead of
somewhere there is an active local
Libertarian<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">organization that
can support us and which we in turn can
support by<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">seeking to arrange
to have visiting LNC members make press
appearances,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">attend local campaign
events, do fundraising, etc., while in town.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">But if what Robert
says is correct, it seems to me that we
are not<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">running our office
efficiently. It also seems to me that LNC
members<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">being made to wait
months and months after an LNC meeting to
see<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">what the actual
expenses were for that meeting is
unreasonable.<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Actually, we should
be seeing such expenses listed before each<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">meeting, since
expenses like hotel meeting space fees,
food and<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">beverage
obligations, staff airline flights, and
shipping costs are<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">in most cases known
in advance. And we should be seeing
estimates of<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">these costs prior to
even making a decision on where to meet,
since such<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">costs ought to factor into
our decisions.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Love & Liberty,<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (((
starchild )))</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">At-Large Representative,
Libertarian National Committee</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<a
href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RealR<wbr>eform@earthlink.net</a><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<wbr> (415)
625-FREE<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">Lnc-business mailing
list<br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><a
href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><a
href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.<wbr>org</a><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite"><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">______________________________<wbr>_______________</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<br>
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