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<p>Just updating the subject on this interesting discussion thread.
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<p>To clarify, briefly, there were only two full-time staffers
located on site at LPHQ. Currently, we're at 3 full-time plus
two-halves (not exactly split down the middle) located at LPHQ.
The others work off-site. <br>
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<p>When Robert's at the office by himself, answering the phone,
door, and doing routine work gets a bit overwhelming. It doesn't
happen too often. <br>
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<p>Thanks,<br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
facebook.com/libertarians @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lp.org/membership">http://lp.org/membership</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/4/2017 2:46 AM, Alicia Mattson
wrote:<br>
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<div>With an LNC meeting approaching, I'm scanning my emails
for loose ends, and I meant to reply to this.<br>
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<DH>I think that probably gave Robert the impression
we(COC) wanted him to sign it THEN. I did want it signed
ASAP after the vote was completed as December in NOLA starts
to get busy and things can shift. I think it resulted from
my poor communication coupled with that same "thing" that
makes email such a lousy means of deliberating.</DH><br>
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Even if you communicated imprecisely, and the impression was
that the COC wanted it signed immediately, the COC has only
been delegated authority over contracts for national
conventions. This was a contract for an LNC meeting, and was
not under the purview of the COC. Even if the COC did have
such authority, the COC can be overridden by the LNC, and the
LNC had an ongoing email ballot on the question at the time,
so there's no grounds to argue that the COC's opinion
mattered.<br>
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-Alicia<br>
<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 12:20 PM,
Daniel Hayes <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Alicia,</div>
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<div id="m_6784598534260075199AppleMailSignature">I fully
agree with your point of us not executing a contract
until after the vote is completed. It's been a while
but I do recall having an "antacid" moment during this.
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<div id="m_6784598534260075199AppleMailSignature">Nick had
OKed for Robert to sign. I had some emails back and
forth with Sandy with Helms-Briscoe. There was one in
which she said "she was standing by" and I wrote her
back to make sure she went ahead and finalized the
contract TO be signed so that once the vote was done we
could sign it. I had mentioned that we had passed the
minimum threshold and it was pretty much a done deal and
to get things ready to sign right away.</div>
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<div id="m_6784598534260075199AppleMailSignature">I think
that probably gave Robert the impression we(COC) wanted
him to sign it THEN. I did want it signed ASAP after
the vote was completed as December in NOLA starts to get
busy and things can shift. I think it resulted from my
poor communication coupled with that same "thing" that
makes email such a lousy means of deliberating. That
lack of instantaneous and contemporaneous communication
when one person is talking to another and the other
person "jumps in" somewhere in the middle and then loses
some of the context.</div>
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<div id="m_6784598534260075199AppleMailSignature">In any
event as I said, I think it fell on my lack of clarity.
In this case it's all good though in the future we need
to certainly make sure to wait until a vote is completed
before fully executing a contract contingent on that
vote.</div>
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<div id="m_6784598534260075199AppleMailSignature">On
matters of larger sums it requires the chair's signature
with counsel's review if I am not mistaken so that
protects us against a larger ongoing potential faux
pas. That said, we do need to be more careful. I will
be more diligent in the future.</div>
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<div id="m_6784598534260075199AppleMailSignature">Daniel
Hayes</div>
<div id="m_6784598534260075199AppleMailSignature">LNC At
Large Member<br>
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Sent from my iPhone</div>
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On Jul 17, 2017, at 6:24 PM, Alicia Mattson <<a
href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">agmattson@gmail.com</a>>
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<div>I do need to point out that p. 8 of
the New Orleans contract shows that we
executed that contract on 4/27/17.<br>
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We approved the date/location for that
meeting with email ballot 2017-08, which
began on 4/21/17 and ended on 5/1/17.
That means the contract was signed 4 days
prior to the end of the email ballot which
authorized it.<br>
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That should not have happened.<br>
<br>
We would have been up a creek had the votes
shifted before the end of the email ballot,
and the LNC ultimately did not approve the
date/location motion. We would have already
been legally obligated.<br>
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What was the reason for the premature contract
execution before it had been approved?<br>
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-Alicia<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at
2:51 PM, Wes Benedict <span dir="ltr"><<a
href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Starchild,<br>
<br>
If I thought this information would be
useful for an upcoming decision, I'd make
sure we bumped other things back and moved
this forward.<br>
<br>
Robert has kept a spreadsheet detailing the
LNC meeting costs. It's significantly out of
date and will take time to update.<br>
<br>
If I get a sense from a significant number
on the LNC that it is important enough for
us to stop other work and get that
spreadsheet updated, we could certainly do
that.<br>
<br>
Or, if the LNC would be satisfied to get a
list of meetings from the past just to get a
sense of the costs, Robert has provided that
and it's attached.<br>
<br>
I don't personally see much coming from
providing that information urgently, but
again, we could certainly get it done if it
was a top priority.<br>
<br>
In general, staff has usually included in
our suggestions and research low-cost
options like Oklahoma and Alexandria, and
the LNC has chosen places that were not the
lowest cost options staff has provided. I
point that out, because I want to make it
clear that, if the costs of LNC meetings is
your concern, I don't want our membership or
the LNC to think that staff requires
expensive meetings. We go with the flow of
the LNC. Of the 5 to 10 times I've suggested
a specific location for an LNC meeting, I
don't think the LNC has taken my suggestion.
I don't mind. I've thought most of the
places we've had meetings were reasonably
decided.<br>
<br>
I think Robert has shown many of the
contracts to you in person when you've
visited LPHQ.<br>
<br>
I believe Robert has offered to email all
the contracts to you if you sign the
standard Non-Disclosure Agreement. I believe
you have so far chosen not to sign the
non-disclosure agreement for certain reasons
that you're in a better situation to explain
than me. It's not a big deal to me
personally, just has been our practice
related to contracts.<br>
<br>
I don't think there's anything especially
interesting or "secret" in any of the
contracts we've had with hotels to have LNC
meetings. Payments to hotels can be found in
detail on the FEC website.<br>
<br>
I think sometimes vendors offer "discounts"
and sometimes put in their contracts terms
requesting confidentiality, but I'm not
going to go through and dig up a bunch of
contracts to see for myself unless I get a
sense from the LNC that that is what they
want staff to spend time on.<br>
<br>
If the LNC could pass a motion requesting
staff to provide all the LNC meeting
contracts to Starchild and other LNC members
without requiring an NDA, I'd feel more
comfortable stopping other work and doing
that, and not requiring an NDA.<br>
<br>
We did not find the word "Confidential" in
the upcoming LNC meeting in Kansas City and
New Orleans. Those contract are attached.<br>
<br>
<br>
Wes Benedict, Executive Director<br>
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.<br>
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314<br>
<a
href="tel:%28202%29%20333-0008%20ext.%20232"
value="+12023330008" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(202) 333-0008 ext.
232</a>, <a
href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wes.benedict@lp.org</a><br>
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On 7/13/2017 10:03 AM, Aaron Starr
wrote:<br>
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"Do you agree with Alicia and I that
the LNC should be provided with data
on<br>
our meeting costs as I've been
requesting? Going forward, I would
like to<br>
see those costs disclosed upfront,
before a meeting site is selected, and
I<br>
would also like to see the our past
costs for each meeting this term,
within<br>
some reasonable frame of time."<br>
<br>
While I am not personally fixated on
the costs of meetings, I do believe<br>
that it is perfectly reasonable for a
member of this committee to request<br>
past data on our meeting costs and
copies of contracts. That information
was<br>
requested on June 6 and should have
been provided by now.<br>
<br>
<br>
Aaron Starr<br>
<a href="tel:%28805%29%20583-3308"
value="+18055833308" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">(805)
583-3308</a> Home<br>
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value="+18054048693" target="_blank"
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On Behalf Of<br>
Starchild<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:22 AM<br>
To: Nick Sarwark<br>
Cc: Libertarian National Committee
list<br>
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] The
Libertarian Party only has 2 full-time<br>
staffers?!<br>
<br>
<br>
Thanks Nick. So I guess the
question remains, who is answering the<br>
phones and handling routine office
tasks? Austin Petersen says that
during<br>
his time in the office, he developed a
strong intern program. If so, I'm<br>
wondering what happened to that
program. Do we have any written
records of<br>
it, and if so, can those records be
sent to the LNC?<br>
<br>
My understanding - correct me
if I'm wrong - is that we don't<br>
currently have any interns, but if we
have names and contact info of past<br>
interns, I'd volunteer to call them
and ask about their experience working<br>
as interns for the LP. That could help
us rebuild a program and start<br>
getting more bodies in the office
getting stuff done, including routine<br>
tasks.<br>
<br>
Do you agree with Alicia and I
that the LNC should be provided with<br>
data on our meeting costs as I've been
requesting? Going forward, I would<br>
like to see those costs disclosed
upfront, before a meeting site is<br>
selected, and I would also like to see
the our past costs for each meeting<br>
this term, within some reasonable
frame of time. Do you have any
objection<br>
to this, and if not, what time frames
seem reasonable to you?<br>
<br>
Love & Liberty,<br>
<br>
((( starchild ))) At-Large<br>
Representative, Libertarian National
Committee<br>
<a
href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RealReform@earthlink.net</a><br>
(415) 625-FREE<br>
@StarchildSF<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jul 12, 2017, at 9:08 PM, Nicholas
Sarwark wrote:<br>
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Starchild,<br>
<br>
At present, the LNC has Wes
Benedict, Eric Dixon, and Robert
Kraus<br>
full-time and based out of the
Alexandria office. My understanding
is<br>
that Nick Dunbar and Mat Thexton are
also based out of that office,<br>
though not full-time. We also have
a number of contractors working<br>
remotely, including Andy Burns,
Lauren Daugherty, Jess Mears, Denise<br>
Luckey, Bob Johnston, and Elizabeth
Brierly.<br>
<br>
Wes and I are in the midst of
interviewing candidates for Press<br>
Secretary, which is anticipated to
be full-time, and will be moving on<br>
to interviewing candidates for a
Candidate Support Specialist
shortly.<br>
<br>
Yours in liberty,<br>
Nick<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:05 PM,
Starchild <<a
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Thank you, Alicia. Coupled with
the Convention Oversight Committee<br>
experience you mention, this does
raise questions. But beyond the<br>
issue of getting the requested
information, I was honestly
shocked to<br>
hear that only Wes and Robert are
usually in the office full time.
If<br>
their time is valuable enough to
justify what we're paying them,<br>
surely we should not be having
them routinely spend that time on<br>
tasks that lower-paid staffers, or
volunteers, could be handling.<br>
<br>
I would like to hear what Nick
Sarwark as chair thinks about both
the<br>
data request compliance and how
staff hours are apparently being<br>
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allocated.<br>
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Love & Liberty,<br>
<br>
((( starchild ))) At-Large<br>
Representative, Libertarian
National Committee<br>
<a
href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">RealReform@earthlink.net</a><br>
(415) 625-FREE<br>
@StarchildSF<br>
<br>
<br>
On Jun 7, 2017, at 3:02 PM, Alicia
Mattson wrote:<br>
<br>
Starchild,<br>
<br>
I have a lot of disagreements with
your other ideas about how we<br>
should find meeting locations and
what arrangements are workable.<br>
<br>
However, I do agree with you that
it should not take so long to<br>
provide the LNC with basic data
about the routine costs of our<br>
meetings, and provide copies of
the meeting space contracts
showing<br>
which of those expenses are
required performance. You've been
asking<br>
for some time, and it's not that
large of a data request.<br>
<br>
Recently, the Convention Oversight
Committee was not in agreement<br>
about whether to again use an
outside professional to assist
with the<br>
2020 site search, or whether to do
it in-house with Robert Kraus as
the<br>
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point person.<br>
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When the issue of asking a staff
member to take on such a<br>
time-consuming job was discussed,
the COC was told that when Wes<br>
tells the LNC that staff is
overloaded, that characterization
does<br>
not necessarily include Robert
Kraus, and he was willing and able
to<br>
add such a large project to his
plate. If that's the case, then I<br>
don't see why there isn't time to
fulfill this data request of yours
in a<br>
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more timely manner.<br>
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-Alicia<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 4:34 PM,
Starchild <<a
href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>><br>
</blockquote>
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wrote:<br>
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<br>
Maybe I just haven't been paying
attention. That's what LP<br>
operations manager Robert Kraus
suggested when I spoke with him<br>
today and expressed surprise at
his statement that he and Wes<br>
Benedict are the only paid staff
working full time at our office.
He<br>
said that if I'd read the report
Wes presented at the last LNC
meeting,<br>
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I would have been aware of the
situation.<br>
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Robert told me this by way of
explaining why he has not yet
sent the<br>
LNC the details of how much we
are paying for hotel meeting
space,<br>
food and beverage obligations,
staff airline flights, shipping<br>
costs, etc., in connection with
LNC meetings. At the last LNC<br>
meeting in Pittsburgh in April,
he told me in response to my
asking<br>
him for this information that he
would send it within a week or
so.<br>
When I spoke with him today, he
said that if I wanted him to
stop<br>
what he was doing and send the
information now, he would have
to<br>
stop working on updating donor
information to help us raise
money,<br>
because he was the only person
in the office right now. When I
asked<br>
whether he could get us the
meeting information prior to the
next<br>
LNC meeting on August 19 (over 2
months from now, and 4 months
from when<br>
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</blockquote>
he originally said he'd provide it),
his response was "possibly".<br>
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We have 11 people listed on our
staff page<br>
(<a
href="https://www.lp.org/staff/"
rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.lp.org/staff/</a>),
not even counting individuals
like our<br>
legal counsel and our FEC
consultant who are kind of "on
call", and<br>
although political director
Carla Howell's contract wasn't
renewed,<br>
the chair recently proposed
adding an additional lower-level<br>
staffer. With that many folks on
the roster, I don't understand
why<br>
the two highest-paid individuals
on staff are the only ones who
are<br>
being paid full-time salaries
and asked to staff the office
largely<br>
by themselves. If this is true,
it means that our highest-paid<br>
staffers are likely spending a
significant part of their time
doing<br>
routine office tasks like
answering phone calls which
could be handled<br>
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by lower-paid staffers or even by
volunteers.<br>
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Robert did say he agreed with me
that staff should not be asked
to<br>
monitor or be involved in the
party's social media outreach,
which<br>
would potentially take a lot of
their time away from other
tasks. I<br>
also suggested that volunteers,
instead of staff, could be the
ones<br>
to research LNC meeting
locations and present options to
the LNC.<br>
Local activists in the cities
where we're considering holding<br>
meetings would be the logical
people to do this. If we don't
have<br>
any local activists in a
particular area able to help us
find free<br>
or low-cost meeting venues there
and help with details such as<br>
coordinating local
transportation and folks able to
host out-of-town<br>
visitors, it would beg the
question of why we are meeting
in that<br>
location instead of somewhere
there is an active local
Libertarian<br>
organization that can support us
and which we in turn can support
by<br>
seeking to arrange to have
visiting LNC members make press
appearances,<br>
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</blockquote>
attend local campaign events, do
fundraising, etc., while in town.<br>
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But if what Robert says is
correct, it seems to me that we
are not<br>
running our office efficiently.
It also seems to me that LNC
members<br>
being made to wait months and
months after an LNC meeting to
see<br>
what the actual expenses were
for that meeting is
unreasonable.<br>
Actually, we should be seeing
such expenses listed before each<br>
meeting, since expenses like
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airline flights, and shipping
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