<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>Wes,</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>I'm surprised to hear you say that. How do you feel Augustus Invictus was often bullied by libertarians? How do you think libertarians <i>should</i> have reacted to Invictus, who sought the LP's nomination for U.S. Senate, in light of, for instance, stuff like this (from <a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/orlando-sentinel-goat-blood-drinking-orlando-man-had-key-billing-for-charlottesville-rally/">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/orlando-sentinel-goat-blood-drinking-orlando-man-had-key-billing-for-charlottesville-rally/</a>)?</div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><header class="entry-header"><h1 class="entry-title">Orlando Sentinel: ‘Goat-blood drinking Orlando man had key billing for Charlottesville rally’</h1>
<div class="comments-link">Excerpt <a href="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/os-steven-lemongello-bio-staff.html#nt=byline">from Steven Lemongello in the Orlando Sentinel</a> by way of <a href="https://amthirdpartyreport.com/2017/08/15/goat-blood-drinking-orlando-man-had-key-billing-for-charlottesville-rally/">Cody Quirk at ATPR</a>:</div></header><div class="entry-content">
<blockquote><p>Invictus, 34, was listed as a featured marcher for the
Saturday event, which was roundly condemned after marchers carried Nazi
flags, performed Hitler salutes and chanted white supremacist and
anti-Semitic sayings while carrying torches. He could not be reached for
comment Monday.</p><p>Invictus lost the 2016 Libertarian primary for U.S. Senate in Florida
to Paul Stanton, but not before state Chairman Adrian Wyllie resigned
in protest. The Libertarian Party of Seminole County also disbanded and
its chair, Don Menzel, resigned in protest of his candidacy. Wyllie
alleged at the time Invictus wanted to lead a civil war in the country,
recruit neo-Nazis to the party and supported a eugenics program.</p>
<div class="googlepublisherpluginad" style="text-align: center; width: 100%; height: auto; clear: none;"></div><p>Invictus
denied he had white supremacist sympathies at the time, but the Tampa
Bay Times reported Monday white nationalist leader Richard Spencer
credited Invictus with writing a first draft of the “Charlottesville
Statement”.</p><p>The statement, according to the Times, has tenets including, “Jews
are an ethno-religious people distinct from Europeans … whites alone
defined America as a European society and political order .. [and] the
so-called ‘refugee crisis’ is an invasion, a war without bullets, taking
place on the fields of race, religion, sex and morality.’’…</p></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Can there be any doubt that Invictus does have white supremacist views, his denial reported above notwithstanding? In a January, 2016 letter "To the People of Europe", he writes in part (excerpted from <a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/03/augustus-invictus-letter-to-the-people-of-europe/">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2016/03/augustus-invictus-letter-to-the-people-of-europe/</a> ):</div><div><p></p><blockquote type="cite"><p>"We share a common bond that the millions of immigrants recently recruited to our ancestral land will never share. <i>We</i>, as Westerners, are brothers, though long-separated; <i>they</i> are foreigners being imported by your own governments to destroy the proud heritage and people of Europe...</p><p>We of European blood are European, and the soil of Europe is <i>our</i>
land, the land of our ancestors, the land that bore our people, our
civilization, our culture. Your leaders abandoned long ago their innate
drive to conquer and to civilize. That was sad enough. Now all the
people of Europe seem to all the world to have abandoned the primal
instinct – or even the basic desire – to defend one’s home.</p><p>People of Europe, do not express regret for your history. The blood
of sea-conquering Vikings and world-shaking Romans still courses through
your veins. And if you saw now the faces of your ancestors before you,
would you feel proud of yourself and the civilization you have worked to
uphold? Or would you feel ashamed of your weakness and of the decadence
we have all perpetuated?</p><p>People of Europe, do not feel shame for your blood. You have been
taught to hate yourselves because of the cruelty of your ancestors, but
your ancestors were marked as much for their virtues as for any vice. It
was our ancestors who braved the waters and conquered distant lands,
yes to obtain their gold and spices, but also to give to them civilization.
Our ancestors were simultaneously the war-bringers and the
light-bearers. As Nietzsche once wrote, terribleness is part of
greatness...</p><div>You, the people of Europe, must do your duty, as your ancestors did
centuries ago. Once more you must reclaim your lands and hold them
sacred. You must defend them, and you must execute the traitors."</div></blockquote><div> </div></div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Should that kind of talk be considered acceptable from candidates or leaders of the Libertarian Party? I believe in a "big tent" in terms of letting anyone join the party, attend our events, etc. Like you I would rather engage with people and be nice to them than simply drive them away. But when it comes to holding leadership roles in the party – being candidates, delegates, or party officers or employees – I think we need to draw a line. And short of messing with the Dallas Accord agreement not to officially side with either anarchism or minarchism as the ultimate goal, we should always say clearly and unambiguously what we stand for. That should be libertarianism, not nationalism and especially not its kissing cousin ethno-nationalism. Do you disagree?</div><div><br></div><div>Love & Liberty,</div><div> </div><div> ((( starchild )))</div><div>At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee</div><div> <a href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net">RealReform@earthlink.net</a></div><div> (415) 625-FREE</div><div> @StarchildSF</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Oct 27, 2017, at 10:38 AM, Wes Benedict wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><p>Caryn Ann,</p><p>I've often felt that Augustus Invictus was bullied by
libertarians. Do you think he was bullied?</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Wes Benedict, Executive Director
Libertarian National Committee, Inc.
1444 Duke St., Alexandria, VA 22314
(202) 333-0008 ext. 232, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:wes.benedict@lp.org">wes.benedict@lp.org</a>
<a href="http://facebook.com/libertarians">facebook.com/libertarians</a> @LPNational
Join the Libertarian Party at: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lp.org/membership">http://lp.org/membership</a></pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/27/2017 2:31 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAL4U=_pLqMdN0mwi06+YPKP8FzP4gw0EQj_bzPh0A-Re6pBU1A@mail.gmail.com">
<div>Prediction: those who speak out here will be targeted.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Keeps others from speaking out.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Caryn Ann </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 12:24 PM David Demarest <<a href="mailto:dprattdemarest@gmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">dprattdemarest@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>I agree that there are limits to what the LNC can do in
this matter. What the LNC can do is inspire and empower
individual Libertarians to be fully informed with a full
set of principles and accurate facts so they individually
use voluntary economic and social ostracism in an
appropriate, just and effective manner to deal with
thinly-disguised authoritarian threats exemplified by the
nonsense in Florida.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Physical threats are a serious matter that cuts to
the core of what Libertarianism stands for. Political
correctness and ridicule of those who take a stand
against bigotry is not a principled answer.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regardless, threats or no threats, memes or no
memes, I will speak out at every opportunity against
mindless bigotry that goes hand-in-hand with
authoritarianism and nationalism, as I am doing now.
We all have a choice on how we deal with
ethno-nationalism. I hope for the sake of the LP and
the Libertarian movement that we individual
Libertarians choose wisely.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thoughts?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>~David Pratt Demarest</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 27, 2017 12:52 PM, "Caryn
Ann Harlos" <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Larry I don't disagree with you. That has been
my position. And unless we want to disaffiliate
it's like pulling a gun. Don't do that unless you
intend to shoot.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I just wanted to be clear that I've been reading
material, also comparing it with my past
experiences, and then that "response" by Ramsey and
I'm not buying that there isn't a problem. What
gets done must be spearheaded by Florida
Libertarians. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm not fooled IOW. And honestly I came to the
realization of how toxic this may be, particularly
to women in the Party, who would leave silently. I
asked myself if I would stick around that. The
answer is not an unequivocal yes.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I stand by my comments that there is a bullying
and threatening issue with the far left as well.
There was a threat to bring ANTIFA to our
convention. There is condemnation of the idea of
property ownership and we don't have to look too far
into history to see where that leads. And violence
has been discussed. I see it too. And believe we
have a shameful reluctance to call that what it is.
It's not a matter of equivalency or comparing
thresholds of damage. It's about defending
libertarian ideas.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The fact is that these two sides feed on each
other. The existence of one gives the other
propaganda. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We must continue to keep on the northward
libertarian route.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>But make no mistake- there IS an
ethno-nationalist issue in Florida. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Read Ramsey's response. If you do not see
manipulative gas lighting then you lack discernment.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If all we can do is personally say to those
complaining- yes I see what you are saying. You are
not imagining things- that is valuable.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We are a limited power body. We can resist the
urge to think we can or should intervene in
everything. But that does not mean not seeing the
thing. I see it. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Caryn Ann</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 11:32 AM Daniel Hayes
<<a href="mailto:danielehayes@icloud.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">danielehayes@icloud.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>Sagely spoken once again my friend.</div>
<div id="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
<div id="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827AppleMailSignature"><br>
</div>
<div id="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827AppleMailSignature">Daniel<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
On Oct 27, 2017, at 12:28 PM, Larry Sharpe
<<a href="mailto:lsharpe@neo-sage.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lsharpe@neo-sage.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>My two cents,
<div><br>
<div>Ed and Steven both say leave it
alone. So, leave it alone.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>They may be wrong, but the odds
of them being wrong are far lower
than the odds of our meddling making
things worse.</div>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 27, 2017
12:22, "David Demarest" <<a href="mailto:dprattdemarest@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dprattdemarest@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>I agree with Caryn Ann, there
sure is a lot of smoke in Florida.
It is time to stop pooh-poohing
this thinly-disguised bigotry,
ethno-nationalism and power-grab
threat to both Florida and
national Libertarianism; stop
sweeping it under the rug and take
a serious look at the matter.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Disagreements on the
application of the NAP, while a
serious matter, are
understandable. Disagreements on
mindless bigotry and
ethno-nationalism, however, will
be a malignant cancer on the LP
and Libertarian movement if not
addressed promptly and
assertively.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I reiterate, not tolerating
intolerance is NOT bigotry.
Tolerance in defense of
intolerance is a VICE. This
should be a no-brainer to all
Libertarians. Bigots and
ethno-nationalist power-grabbers
must not be part of our target
market. They will only use us to
achieve their nefarious goals
that will undermine our
credibility. Like Wes and Nick,
I ask pseudo-Libertarians who
think otherwise to promptly take
their political business
elsewhere.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can follow the lead of
Nick and Wes and use the tool of
voluntary individual economic
and social ostracism to bring
this insidious threat to a
screeching halt. Disaffiliation,
while a last resort, can be an
effective institutional tool of
economic and social ostracism,
fully consistent with even a
strict interpretation of the
NAP, to effectively deal with
this potentially lethal threat
to Libertarianism.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It is time to clean this
mindless evil out of the LP and
Libertarian movement before it
gets out of control, impacts our
political agenda and undermines
our heroic goal of freedom,
nothing more, nothing less.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thoughts?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>~David Pratt Demarest</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct
27, 2017 9:29 AM, "Caryn Ann
Harlos" <<a href="mailto:carynannharlos@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">carynannharlos@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I just read a "response"
by Ryan Ramsey and it has
all the marks of an
aggressive gas lighting
campaign. After I read that
letter, my "knower" knew
that there are too many
testimonies that ring true.
There is a very manipulative
game going on.<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There is definitely
something very toxic going
on in Florida. I am going
to be speaking to my Region
1 Chairs about this as I
make my quarterly
conferences with them. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Caryn Ann</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Thu, Oct 26, 2017
at 6:52 AM Starchild
<<a href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>If
there is clear
evidence of (1) a
current Florida LP
state-level official
making clearly
racist statements,
or clear and
credible threats of
violence, and (2)
the Florida LP
leadership being
aware of this and
taking no action
whatsoever to
condemn it or
distance the Florida
LP from it, I think
perhaps a letter of
concern from the LNC
would be in order.
If the Florida LP
leadership offered
no reasonable
response to such a
letter and continued
to not take any
remedial action,
especially if it
became clear that
this was part of a
pattern of ignoring
racism or serious
Non-Aggression
Principle violations
from state leaders,
then I would be
ready to entertain a
motion to
disaffiliate. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>But
– and I confess I
have not read all
the links and
background on this –
I'm not sure even
the first condition
stated above has
been met. My
personal belief is
that Ryan Ramsey
likely does hold
bigoted white
supremacist type
views, but while the
the evidence for
this may be
cumulatively
compelling (walks
like a duck, quacks
like a duck, etc.),
it also seems to be
largely
circumstantial. I
looked at the
American Guard
website for
instance, and didn't
find a "smoking gun"
of explicitly racist
material. Now I do
think Ramsey's
comments about LP
chair Nick Sarwark
are reprehensible
and without merit. A
sample (more at <a href="http://archive.is/EMZPY#selection-233.0-233.110" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://archive.is/EMZPY#selection-233.0-233.110</a>):</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><i>"</i><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-style-span" style="font-style:italic;line-height:19px">Nick Sarwark, National
Chairman of the
Libertarian Party,
is the poster boy
for the Cultural
Marxist idiocy
that keeps us
relegated to
single digit
election
returns... </span><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-style-span" style="line-height:19px"><i>Any question as to whether Mr. Sarwark was a
lover of
liberty, or a
Cultural Marxist
attempting to
hold back the
advance of the
Libertarian
Party, were
answered when he
made national
news repeating
lies about Milo
Yiannopoulos,
subject of the
violence in
Berkley, when he
insinuated
bloodshed to
stop free speech
was
'understandable'... </i></span><i>For
those who did not
attend the
National
Convention last
spring in Orlando,
let me tell you
how Nick Sarwark
was re-elected as
LP Chairman. He
collected a group
of loyalists
around himself to
feign running as
opposition. Then
at the last
minute, on the
Convention floor,
they dropped their
candidacy and
threw their
support to the man
trying to do the
Weimar Republic
over, as if the
Communists will
win this time.
This is why many
are starting to
refer to him as
'Nazi Nick',
despite his Jewish
religion. His
ignorance of
history is
astounding,
especially
considering his
heritage. It is an
ignorance common
among the products
of compulsory
government
education camps,
but unacceptable
for anyone wishing
to lead the third
largest political
party in the
greatest nation on
the planet. The
smug manner in
which the leftist
infection tries to
paint President
Trump as Hitler is
the crowning jewel
of their
ignorance. It is
time for a quick
history lesson on
Germany prior to
World War Two.
Trump is not
Hitler, but people
like Sarwark are
ushering the next
Hitler
in... Behold Nick
Sarwark, who
claims to lead the
party of
individual
freedom, as he
ushers his own
Jewish people
toward the
boxcars. Nazi
Nick, the ultimate
in self hatred."</i></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-style-span" style="line-height:19px"><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></span><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-style-span" style="line-height:19px">Even if the rumor about Milo Yiannopoulis
planning to "out"
undocumented
students during
his speech at UC
Berkeley, which
Yiannopoulis
ultimately did not
do and denied
intending to do,
was false – I'm
not sure it was; I
wouldn't be
surprised if
Yiannopoulis, via
associates, was
the source of the
rumor, even if he
never intended to
carry out any such
action – the point
is that if student
protesters heard
the rumor and
sincerely believed
it, there's an
argument to be
made that their
use of violence to
stop him from
speaking arguably
was, to the best
of their knowledge
at the time, a
legitimate
defensive measure
designed to
prevent people
being forcibly
kidnapped and
deported by the
State. I'm not
sure Nick intended
to go that far;
the word
"understandable"
as he used it is
somewhat ambiguous
and does not
necessarily imply
approval. </span></div>
<div><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-style-span" style="line-height:19px"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Regardless,
any LP member whose
views are so badly
skewed as to publish
a written public
article condemning
as solidly
libertarian a party
leader as the
current LP national
chair as a "cultural
Marxist" and among
those who is
"usher(ing) his own
Jewish people toward
the boxcars", is not
somebody I
personally want
serving in the party
leadership. Coupled
with the threats
that Paul Stanton
and Paul Frankel
report Ramsey making
against them and
against members of
Stanton's family,
and
Ramsey's connections
to groups like Rock
Against Communism
and the American
Guard, if I
sat on the Florida
LP Executive
Committee and had
been voting, I
believe I would have
voted to remove
Ramsey from that
body if such action
is consistent with
the Florida LP's
bylaws. But I don't
know whether there
was a bylaws issue,
or why the ExCom
majority voted down
Paul Stanton's
motion for removal.
My suspicion that
they may have made
what I believe to be
a bad decision isn't
enough for me to
support the LNC
formally weighing in
or taking action
vis-a-vis the
Florida LP, short of
the conditions I
describe in the
first paragraph
above being met.
Short of removal, I
don't know what
other steps, if any,
they have taken, or
may yet take. </div>
<div><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span></div>
<div><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>But
if the LNC does not
make any direct
formal response to
the Florida
situation, this
still leaves the
question of what
else we can do with
regard to the
broader issue of
ethno-nationalism
seeping into the
Libertarian
Party. It's been
pointed out that the
LNC has recently
issued a strong
statement against
racism and bigotry;
the value of issuing
another such
statement at this
time seems dubious.
However while we've
recently addressed
the "ethno" aspect
of the
ethno-nationalist
problem, I don't
think we've
adequately addressed
nationalism, which
is much more
pervasive.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre-wrap"> </span>Nationalism
is itself, I
believe, a form of
bigotry akin to
racism. It is an
anti-individualist
philosophy which,
translated into
government policy,
results in virtually
every national
government in the
world wrongfully
discriminating
against people on
the basis of innate
characteristics
beyond their control
(where they were
born or who their
parents were). It
also tends to lead
people to take
un-libertarian
positions, such as
being willing to
initiate force
against immigrants,
supporting
protectionism, and
accepting various
rights violations in
the name of
"national security".
Nationalism can also
serve as a cover for
racism, because
nationalist and
racist views often
dovetail when it
comes to issues like
immigration, racial
profiling in the
name of "national
security", the U.S.
government killing
people in other
countries, etc. But
despite being as
repugnant as racism,
nationalism has so
far largely gotten a
pass from society
including from many
(L)ibertarians. If
we are serious about
discouraging the
sort of views that
are disrupting the
Florida LP, the LNC
issuing a strong
statement against
nationalism seems
like a very good
idea, and I would
support such a
resolution. I think
we should also pay
more attention to
how our messaging
and other practices
(e.g. use of the
American flag) can
subtly legitimize
and reinforce
nationalism in the
party.</div>
</div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Love &
Liberty,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
(((
starchild )))</div>
<div>At-Large
Representative,
Libertarian National
Committee</div>
</div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word">
<div>
<a href="mailto:RealReform@earthlink.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">RealReform@earthlink.net</a></div>
<div>
(415)
625-FREE</div>
<div>
@StarchildSF</div>
</div>
<div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br>
<div><br>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Oct 25,
2017, at 6:14
PM, Caryn Ann
Harlos wrote:</div>
<br class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498Apple-interchange-newline">
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>I agree
with Ken. And
the RR from
that area gave
their input.
I can tell you
no Region 1
state would
welcome this
interference.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>So
pre-empttively
since we seem
so eager to
get involved
in affiliates
- this RR says
don't mess
with Region 1
states. They
handle their
own business.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm
hoping Oregon
gets on mended
terms with
National.
This isn't the
way to show
states we
learned our
lesson from
that mess.
Their Board
voted and
unless we
think the
whole of that
leadership are
secret nazis
then we have
no right or
authority to
be
second-guessing
their decision
for their
state.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I
routinely get
complaints
about such and
such going on
here and
there. I
listen, tell
them their
rights, and
say it is for
their state to
handle. Wes
brilliant
release said
what we needed
to. I wish we
would say the
same to the
violent left.
Violence
against
persons and
property is
unacceptable.
Bigotry and
identity
collectivism
of all kinds
is
unacceptable. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Caryn
Ann</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Wed, Oct 25,
2017 at 8:04
PM, Ken
Moellman <span><<a href="mailto:ken@moellman.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ken@moellman.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>A
disaffiliation
motion is way
too extreme.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think
the statement
made by either
Wes or Nick -
I forget who
made it -
about racism
and whatnot
being not
welcome in the
party was
enough from LP
National.
Disaffiliation
would take a
serious
infraction,
IMO. That a
party has
internal
issues is
nothing new
and nothing to
get involved
with.</div>
</div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498HOEnZb">
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498h5">
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Wed, Oct 25,
2017 at 9:19
PM, David
Demarest <span><<a href="mailto:dpdemarest@centurylink.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dpdemarest@centurylink.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" lang="EN-US">
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal">I
agree that a
disaffiliation
investigation
motion would
open a can of
worms. Perhaps
the existing
motion calling
for a
resolution is
the wiser
choice.
However, it is
a catch-22.
How can we
justify the
resolution if
we do not do
the necessary
due diligence
investigation?</p>
<span><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal">Thoughts?</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:20.0pt;font-family:"Script MT Bold"">~David
Pratt</span></p><div><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1f497d">May 25-27 2018 Omaha Roads to Freedom
Un-Convention</span></i></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></i></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span style="color:#1f497d">Freedom, Nothing More, Nothing Less</span></i></b></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></b></p><p class="MsoNormal">~David
Pratt Demarest</p><p class="MsoNormal">Roads
to Freedom
Foundation,
Founder</p><p class="MsoNormal">LNC
Region 6
Representative
(IA, IL, MN,
MO, ND, NE,
WI)</p><p class="MsoNormal">LSLA
Vice-Chair</p><p class="MsoNormal">LPNE
State Central
Committee,
Secretary</p><p class="MsoNormal">LPRC
Board Member,
Nebraska State
Coordinator</p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:David.Demarest@LP.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">David.Demarest@LP.org</a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:Secretary@LPNE.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Secretary@LPNE.org</a>
</p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:DPDemarest@centurylink.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">DPDemarest@centurylink.net</a>
</p><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:DPrattDemarest@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">DPrattDemarest@gmail.com</a>
</p><p class="MsoNormal">Cell:
<a href="tel:%28402%29%20981-6469" value="+14029816469" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">402-981-6469</a>
</p><p class="MsoNormal">Home:
<a href="tel:%28402%29%20493-0873" value="+14024930873" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">402-493-0873</a></p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</span><p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
Lnc-business
[mailto:<a href="mailto:lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lnc-business-bounces@hq.lp.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Joshua
Katz<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Wednesday,
October 25,
2017 1:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Lnc-business]
Fwd:
[Lnc-votes]
Resignation
From LPF</p><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481h5"><p class="MsoNormal">Thank
you to both
Steven, Paul
Frankel, and
Tom Knapp for
inserting
much-needed
facts into
this
discussion.
In light of
these facts, I
think
vigilance is
called for,
but do not
think it is
appropriate,
at this time,
to make a
relevant
motion.</p>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">I
will note,
without
getting into
the weeds,
that while I
won't quibble
with facts
alleged about
Florida, I
would disagree
with some of
the statements
made about
certain
national
groups, or in
other ways
about the
dangerous
movement we
face. I think
they are more
dangerous than
they've been
described
here, and
while in the
past I
considered
them
individually
dangerous, I
now consider
them to be an
organizational
threat - and a
threat to the
modern world
which made
freedom
possible.
(Murray
Rothbard
pointed out,
in 1965, that
freedom was
made possible
by the
overthrow of
the Ancien
Regime, and I
think the
pre-modern
thinking on
the right, and
the
post-modern
thinking on
the left, are
both creating
an environment
where it can
return.) I
consider them,
at the moment,
the most
immediate
threat to
freedom in our
culture, since
they have
organized and
gone beyond
being
individual
cranks - they
now are making
moves on the
world of
ideas, which
controls the
rest. And
remember that
far too many
people
associate us
with them.
The
Charlottesville
morons (if it
brings them
any comfort, I
think I speak
on behalf of
all Jews when
I say that
none of us
desire to be
mouth-breathing
bigots
carrying tiki
torches, so
their fears
about us
replacing them
are misplaced)
used a banner
which was
based on the
Albany Plan of
Union banner -
and one of the
snake pieces
was labeled
L. </p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481h5"><p class="MsoNormal">In
any event, as
concerns
Florida, I
think the
analysis is
pretty
straightforward,
although the
determinations
are not. Is
there a
problem? I am
convinced
there is, and
I am convinced
we should not
ignore it and
blind
ourselves to
it. Another
party tried
that approach,
as well as
"well, we'll
bring them
along for
their votes on
the things we
agree about,"
and now is
largely unable
to get
candidates who
actually favor
its basic
ideas through
primaries.
The next
question, the
crucial
question, is -
can the
affiliate fix
it? (A
related, but
somewhat
different
question, is
whether it
wants to.) I
think the
answer to that
is yes. There
is, of course,
a tipping
point - a
point where
rather than
try to fix the
problem, good
people simply
leave, and the
ability to fix
the problem
goes away.
And good
people are, it
seems clear to
me, leaving.
I still do not
think the
tipping point
has been
reached,
though. </p>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481h5"><p class="MsoNormal"><br clear="all">
</p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Joshua
A. Katz</p>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">At-Large Representative,</span></p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Libertarian National Committee</span></p>
</div>
<div><div style="margin-bottom: 12pt; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481h5"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Tue, Oct
24, 2017 at
12:21 PM<br>
Subject: Re:
[Lnc-votes]
[Lnc-business]
Resignation
From LPF<br>
To: "<a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>>,
Independent
Political
Report <<a href="mailto:independent-political-report@googlegroups.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">independent-political-report@googlegroups.com</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:iprtwo@googlegroups.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">iprtwo@googlegroups.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:iprtwo@googlegroups.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">iprtwo@googlegroups.com</a>>,
<a href="mailto:erin.adams@lp.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">erin.adams@lp.org</a>, Whitney
Bilyeu <<a href="mailto:whitneycb76@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">whitneycb76@gmail.com</a>>,
Joshua Katz
<<a href="mailto:joshua.katz@lp.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joshua.katz@lp.org</a>>, David
Demarest <<a href="mailto:David.Demarest@lp.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">David.Demarest@lp.org</a>>,
Daniel Hayes
<<a href="mailto:daniel.hayes@lp.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">daniel.hayes@lp.org</a>>, Ed
Marsh <<a href="mailto:ednmax@yahoo.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ednmax@yahoo.com</a>>, Steven
Nekhaila <<a href="mailto:Steven.Nekhaila@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Steven.Nekhaila@gmail.com</a>>,
Starchild <<a href="mailto:sfdreamer@earthlink.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sfdreamer@earthlink.net</a>>,
Paul Stanton
<<a href="mailto:paul@stanton.name" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">paul@stanton.name</a>><br>
<br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481h5"><p class="MsoNormal">I'm
writing to LNC
members who
commented in
this thread
plus Whitney
as my rep, IPR
teamCCed for
background,
and Paul
Stanton CCed.
If any of the
LNC members
copied feel
it's worth
sharing with
the rest of
LNC please do
so. If not, my
feelings won't
be hurt
either. </p>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">I'm
not going to
comment on
what if
anything LNC
should do,
just lay out
the facts as I
know them, </p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Just
before Paul
Stanton
resigned from
LPF exec comm
he submitted
the following
to that body
(see links
embedded in
original): </p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#%21topic/lpfec/7Ii6WazfTGo" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://groups.google.com/forum/embed/#!topic/lpfec/7Ii6WazfTGo</a></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</p>
</div>
<div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Greetings,</span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Tonight's
motion 520 is
mainly
regarding
threats and
advocacy of
violence
against me and
others,
including a
current US
Senate
candidate and
former rules
chair of the
Libertarian
Party of
Miami-Dade.
Additionally,
he is a leader
in a white
supremacist
group, the <a href="http://adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists" title="American Guard" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">American
Guard</span></a>,
a
spin-off group
of the violent
anti-immigrant
Sons of Odin -
founded by <a href="https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/brien-james" title="Brien
James" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Brien James</span></a> (who also founded the
Vinlanders - a
Neo-Nazi group
responsible
for dozens of
murders).
The crossed cleavers
in their
shield is a
reference to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Poole" title="19th century
anti-immigrant
gang leader,
Bill the
Butcher" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">19th century anti-immigrant gang leader, Bill the
Butcher</span></a> -
an advocacy of
violence
against
immigrants.</span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Ryan
Ramsey himself
covers white
nationalist "<a href="https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism" title="Rock
Against
Communism" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Rock Against Communism</span></a>" bands like <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver" title="Screwdriver" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">S</span></a><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver" title="Screwdriver" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">crewdriver</span></a>, and advocates for <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werwolf" title="Operation Werewolf" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">Operation
Werewolf</span></a>. <a href="http://archive.is/EMZPY" title="He has called the LNC Chair Nick
Sarwark
"Nazi
Nick,"
citing Nick's
Jewish
religion, then
blaming people
"disingenuous political leaders like Nick Sarwark" for the
rise of the
Nazi Party and
ultimately the
Holocaust." target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">He has called the LNC Chair Nick Sarwark "Nazi Nick,"
citing Nick's
Jewish
religion, then
blaming people
"disingenuous
political
leaders like
Nick Sarwark"
for the rise
of the Nazi
Party and
ultimately the
Holocaust.</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Here
are some links
which I will
be referencing
tonight at the
meeting:<br>
<br>
<a href="https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/%3Cbr+/%3E" title="https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">https://www.facebook.com/libertarianheathen/photos/a.1959795147587414.1073741828.1954915414742054/2002228056677456/<br>
</span></a><a href="https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists" title="https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists</span></a><br>
<span style="border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in"><a href="http://libertarianheathen.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://libertarianheathen.com</a></span><br>
<a href="http://archive.is/t5jC7" title="http://archive.is/t5jC7" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">http://archive.is/t5jC7</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Bottom
line, I am
sick of seeing
threats of
violence
against good
Libertarians,
and others
disassociating
in disgust
over the
intimidation
tactics,
dehumanization,
and white
supremacist
rhetoric being
employed by
leaders within
our party. If
we allow one
of our leaders
to threaten
our membership
while having
the ability to
stop it,
voters and
donors have no
reason to take
our party
seriously, as
we clearly do
not.</span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The
delegates very
clearly gave
us the ability
to remove
people from
the EC for
violation of
the
non-aggression
pledge.
Tonight we
must decide if
we will take
that task
seriously or
not.</span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">In
liberty,<b><br>
</b></span><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Paul
Stanton</span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Folowup
message: </span></b><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>
[ ]</p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481h5">
<div>
<div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Info
about the
1930s German
Nazi history
book that Ryan
Ramsey took
his meme from:</span></p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in"><a href="http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm" title="http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#6611cc">http://spartacus-educational.com/Jewish_Children.htm</span></a></span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Frankel:
I can also
attest to the
threats coming
from Ramsey,
his former
close
associate
Augustus
Invictus and
others in
their circle. </span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Back
in April of
this year, on
a tip from IPR
site owner
Warren
Redlich, I
published <a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/police-report-augustus-invictus-accused-of-domestic-violence-sexual-assault-kidnapping/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/police-report-augustus-invictus-accused-of-domestic-violence-sexual-assault-kidnapping/</a>
detailing that
Mr. Invictus'
ex-fiancee
made these
very serious
allegations
against him. I
confirmed with
the police
department in
question that
the referenced
report had in
fact been
filed. I made
no comment in
the article
about the
truth or
falsehood of
the
allegations.
Any comments
of opinions I
made in the
comment
section on the
same basis as
any of our
other readers
and clearly
marked as
opinion.
Notably, the
complaintant
and associate
of hers also
reported death
threats at the
time from
Invictus and
Ramsey, who
have since
then (very
recently) had
a falling out.
Witness
tampering was
also one of
the
allegations. </span><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"></span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">I
also <i>republished</i> <a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-to-the-cowardly-collaborators-of-the-libertarian-party-of-florida-and-a-call-to-action-against-them/ </a>
(note that the
original and
its website
were taken
down so the
images no
longer appear;
scroll down to
see the
section about
Ryan Ramsey as
the last part
of the
article). </span><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"></span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">As
a response, 1)
Augustus
Invictus wrote
me and Warren
Redlich,
insinuating
possible legal
action and
hinting at
other forms of
retaliation;
he later wrote
another former
associate of
his, Raquel
Okyay, which
was later
forwarded to
me, naming me
as one of the
people he
plans to take
some form of
unspecified
revenge on.
2) Ryan
Ramsey
published two
articles
filled with
outright lies
and slanderous
fictions about
me, Redlich,
and others
alleging some
grand
conspiracy .
You can find
them at <a href="http://libertarianheathen.com/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">libertarianheathen.com</a> with a
search for
Frankel.
Ramsey and his
associates
continually
spread this
crap on FB and
probably
elsewhere. </span><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"></span></p>
</div>
<div><div><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in"><a href="https://libertarianheathen.com/?s=frankel" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://libertarianheathen.com/?s=frankel</a></span><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"></span></p>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><br>
The slanderous
lies from
Ramsey were
tit for tat
retaliation –
he said so
himself, and
offered a
reciprocal
unpublishing –
because I
reported the
news that his
then buddy
Augustus
Invictus, one
of the
Charlottesville
organizers,
had been
accused of a
pattern of
domestic
violence,
kidnapping and
rape by his
ex-fiancee. I
was simply
reporting the
news, not
taking a
stance, except
in the
comments; and
even there I
was careful to
separate what
I knew to be
fact from my
opinion and
what others
alleged.
Furthermore, I
reposted
accurate
reporting
about Ryan
Ramsey and his
associates
previously
published
elsewhere. His
response was
to<br>
<br>
1) Publish
lies about me,
Warren Redlich
and IPR,
linked above<br>
<br>
2) Offer to
take them down
if we took
down our own
reporting<br>
<br>
3) Threaten to
sic law
enforcement on
me for
supposedly
being a
terrorist and
threatening
his wife, none
of which is
even remotely
true.
Specifically,
he said he had
contacted the
Florida
Department of
Law
Enforcement
electronic
crimes
division and
was planning
to meet with
the FBI and
tell them that
I am a
terrorist (a
preposterous
lie) and that
I threatened
his then
pregnant wife
(another
absurd
fiction). <br>
<br>
4) His pal
Invictus
broached the
possibility of
suing us (but
said he wasn’t
doing that, at
least at that
time)<br>
<br>
5) Invictus
later issued a
non-specific
threat against
me and a few
other people
saying we will
“get what is
coming to us.”
Among many
other people
he and his
associates
have
threatened.<br>
<br>
Ryan Ramsey’s
article is in
fact full of
attacks,
slander and
lies. Looking
at just the
headline
alone: I am
not editor in
chief at IPR
and in fact
there is no
such position.
I am not a
terrorist, and
that is a
slanderous
claim. Moving
beyond the
headline I
address
numerous
inaccurate
statements,
slanders,
libel and
downright lies
in Ramsey’s
article in a
series of
comments
starting at <a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-open-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/libertarians-united-against-fascism-write-open-letter-to-lnc-starchild-responds/#comment-1581189</a> and
continuing
over a couple
of dozen
comments.<br>
<br>
To take one
egregious
example,
Ramsey
continually
asserts that I
had something
to do with
killing a dog.
I did not, and
while he is
not the first
person to
spread this
lie it is
nevertheless a
lie and he is
not repeating
it as a
statement by
someone else
but rather as
something he
knows to be
true, unlike
the statements
about him by
others that I
have
published.
There are many
similar
falsehoods
throughout the
article which
I addressed in
IPR comments.</span></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Others
who have been
threatened by
Invictus,
Ramsey and
friends
include <b>Tom
Knapp </b></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1636145" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1636145</a></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><i>"</i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif;color:#32373c">To
date, twice
when the AI
combination
pity party /
threat machine
got cranked up
and I was
involved in
direct back
and forth, I
escalated from
Condition
Yellow to
Condition
Orange. This
involves,
among other
things, making
my family
aware of a
possible
threat,
ensuring that
at least one
person in the
household in
addition to
myself has a
loaded firearm
near to hand
at all times,
and paying
special
attention to
street traffic
in my
neighborhood
(which is very
low traffic so
anything
unusual stands
out, and I
have a nearby
neighbor who
knows to call
if anything
looks
suspicious as
well). "</span></i></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Frankel
again) The
email I was
forwarded from
Invictus says
in part <i>"</i><b><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif;color:#32373c;background:#f9f9f9">S<u>tanton,
Tesky, Wyllie,
Marchetti, and
Frankel </u></span></i></b><i><u><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif;color:#32373c;background:#f9f9f9">are
all directly
responsible
for that,
because the
babysitter
called the
police based
off the
bullshit
criminal
allegations
being pushed
by those five.
It was the
‘news’ story
that caused
the babysitter
to call the
police. Fourth
and final: It
never crossed
my mind that <b>Joe
(Wendt)</b>
had anything
to do with
that, but if I
find out that
he was
involved with
Stanton or
Tesky or
Marchetti in
pushing those
criminal
allegations, I
will hang him
with my own
fucking hands.
That entire
situation is
something so
outrageous
that I am not
even
discussing it.
Each and every
person who was
involved or
had knowledge
of it will get
what is coming
to them.</span></u></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe
UI",sans-serif;color:#32373c;background:#f9f9f9">"</span></i></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div><p class="MsoNormal"><br>
And in fact,
all of the
people named,
myself
included, are
among many
others who
have reported
being
threatened by
Invictus,
Ramsey and
their circle
of associates.
Ramsey is
still neck
deep in it
even now that
Invictus has
become a
Republican. </p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Ramsey
is allegedly
gloating about
Stanton's
resignation in
these facebook
groups, among
others: </p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Kekistan</p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">The
Right Way: No
Cucks, Only
Kek</p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Republic
of Kekistan</p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">@The
Deplorables
and Basement
Dwellers for
Trump</p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Anti-SJW </p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">Anti-SJW
Pinochet's
Beach Party </p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">The
ex-fiancee of
Invictus, Ms.
Rice, and her
friend Ms.
Brown along
with others
they knew also
reported being
threatened and
intimidated by
Invictus,
Ramsey et al. </p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-us-senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-principles-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/joe-wendt-for-us-senate-new-lp-of-florida-chair-undermines-libertarian-principles-in-favor-of-white-nationalists/</a></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">....</p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Libertarian
Party
Candidate for
U.S. Senate,
Joe Wendt,
condemns LPF
Chair, Marcos
Miralles, for
pursuing a
policy that
promotes white
nationalists
within the
Libertarian
Party of
Florida. “Mr.
Miralles has
appointed
known white
nationalists
to leadership
positions.”</span></i></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481h5"><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><i>...</i></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">“I
have been
threatened
with physical
violence by
white
nationalist
supporters of
Miralles,”
said Wendt. “</span></i></p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://goog_1698321734/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><br>
</a></p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/</a>
see embedded
links in
original"</p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444">We are losing good members, and the trust of
the public,
due to the
elevation of
leaders in
extremist hate
groups to our
party
leadership.
We need a new
approach. <b>
Local
libertarian-leaning
politicians
and voters
associate us
with far-right
extremists.
As of
yesterday, my
county no
longer has a
full slate of
candidates for
the Florida
House. One
of the
Libertarian
candidates I
drafted will
now
unfortunately
be running
NPA.
Yesterday, we
also lost our
incoming Rules
Committee
chair.
Previously,
both our
former
gubernatorial
nominee and
our senatorial
nominee (prior
to me) have
resigned their
LPF
memberships,
among
countless
other
Libertarian
activists and
volunteers. A
member of my
2016 Senate
campaign ended
her
participation
with the
party, because
her employer
forbids
associations
with members
of extremist
hate groups
advocating for
violence. A
single friend
(who ceased
her
participation
after
receiving
death threats)
has reported
that no fewer
than 30 of her
acquaintances
have withdrawn
from
Libertarian
Party activism
due to risks
to themselves
and their
reputations.</b></span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p>
</div>
<div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444">During my US Senate campaign, I never expected
the situation
that
unfolded. I
expected the
personal
attacks, but I
never expected
racist
fantasies
about my
mother,
posting of
personal
information
about members
of my family,
or the <b>violent
threats and
sexual
harassment
targeting my
supporters and
members of my
campaign</b>.
Last month,
after I
introduced a
motion (which
was killed) to
remove
Florida’s
member of the
Libertarian
Party Platform
Committee for
his <a href="http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Anti-racist_is_a_code_word_for_anti-white#.22The_mantra.22" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">racist
statements</span></a>,
I was accused
of wanting to
kill all white
people, in a “<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_genocide_conspiracy_theory" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">white genocide</span></a>” conspiracy theory. And
now today,
there have
been threats
that the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldiers_of_Odin" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">militant</span></a> <a href="http://www.theindychannel.com/longform/who-are-the-american-guard-patriotic-nationalists-or-skinheads-in-disguise" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">hate</span></a> <a href="https://godsandradicals.org/2017/03/18/heathen-know-nothings-the-american-guard/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">group</span></a> <a href="http://forward.com/fast-forward/368055/white-supremacists-and-skinheads-join-pro-trump-rally/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">the</span></a> <a href="https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">American
Guard</span></a>may
be waiting for
me in the
parking lot,
or harassing
county party
meetings. We
must have
higher
standards for
our party
leadership!</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="vertical-align:baseline"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444">Sadly, these are common intimidation tactics
among white
nationalists,
and there are
several other
victims
throughout
Florida. This
behavior
cannot be
accepted. We
cannot
continue to
elevate these
people.
Libertarianism
stands for
maximum
freedom for
everyone,
universally.
We dishonor
ourselves and
our party by
enabling liars
with wildly
divergent
philosophies,
who stand
immediately
adjacent to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Movement_%28United_States%29" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">neo-Nazis</span></a>, <a href="https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/vinlanders-social-club" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">white
nationalists</span></a>, <a href="https://johnmhudak.com/2017/07/16/rise-of-the-anarcho-statists-part-iii-augustus-sol-invictus-the-unconquerable-sun-god/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">fascists</span></a>,<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaws_Motorcycle_Club" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">organized criminal syndicates</span></a>, and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Front" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">domestic
terrorists</span></a>.</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">From
the comments:</p>
</div>
<div><div> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444"><span>1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New
Roman"">
</span></span></span><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m-8183115686762017626m936619301973169335gmail-fn"><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in"><a href="http://www.openborders.info/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#444444">Starchild</span></a></span></i></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634719" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><i><span style="color:#5e5e5e;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">July
22, 2017 at
09:26</span></i></a></span></p>
<span><p style="vertical-align:baseline"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Joe,
do you know
which
individuals
were shouting
“white power”
at the state
convention? Is
there video
evidence of
this? I would
hope those
individuals
are identified
and
ostracized,
and that other
Libertarians
will make
clear to them
that there is
no room for
such racism in
the LP. That
is not what we
are about. If
individuals
who seek to
act in such a
manner leave
the party,
that is not a
loss for us
but a gain.</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p>
</span><p style="margin-left:0in;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><span>2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0in;vertical-align:baseline"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444"><span>3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times
New
Roman"">
</span></span></span><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m-8183115686762017626m936619301973169335gmail-fn"><i><span style="font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Joe
Wendt</span></i></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1634766" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><i><span style="color:#5e5e5e;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">July
22, 2017 at
12:10</span></i></a></span></p>
<div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481h5"><p style="vertical-align:baseline"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Starchild,</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">The
individuals in
question are
supports of
the current
LPF Chair.
Although
Augustus
Invictus, the
most prominent
of the White
Nationalists,
has left the
party,
unfortunately
other less
prominent
White
Nationalists
are not [only
-p] remaining
active in the
LPF, the Chair
is actually
giving them
positions of
authority.</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481h5">
<div><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Screenshot
of Ramsey
threatening to
knock Wendt’s
teeth out and
saying he may
have an
“accident”</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/received_10159060778305274.png" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/received_10159060778305274.png</a></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m-8183115686762017626m936619301973169335gmail-fn"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#444444">paulie</span></a></span></span><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635134" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#5e5e5e;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">July
23, 2017 at
12:04</span></a></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline">Again,
it’s not about
Joe.<b> Yes
Ramsey
threatened
Joe, but he
also
threatened
many other
people, as has
Invictus and
their other
buddies. There
are numerous
sources for
that,
including me.
</b>Yes,
Ramsey has
spread
bullshit about
me. I think he
is still doing
it although I
haven’t
checked
lately. Did he
know it to be
false or did
he just repeat
what other
people said?
Well, he
couldn’t have
known it to be
true since it
was not true
and he did not
say “so and so
says” he just
repeated
things as if
they were
facts and
added new ones
such as the
bullshit about
me being a
terrorist and
member of a
terrorist
groups and the
bullshit about
me making
threats
against his
wife. And
again, <b>these
are just <em><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">examples</span></em> just as the other <em><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">examples</span></em> in
Stanton’s
article are
only <em><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;border:none windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">examples</span></em>.</b></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><b>The
real issue is
that there is
an <em><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">ongoing
pattern as
reported by
many different
people</span></em> of
Invictus,
Ramsey and
their circle
of friends
issuing
threats,
spreading lies
.. to and
about many
different
people .. and
maintaining
ongoing close
associations
with multiple
white
supremacist
groups and
violent groups
and
individuals.</b></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem">....</p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Ramsey
says <b>“You
were awful
meek last
night punk.
Ill see you
soon though
and well see
how mouthy you
are”</b></span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">
which is
clearly
physical
intimidation.
Joe is talking
shit on the
internet but
Ramsey says he
will not do it
in person. Why
not? Clearly
due to threat
of physical
violence.
Ramsey follows
this up with <b><i>“Id
be more
concerned with
the teeth in
your mouth at
this point
joe. Your
dental plan
good?” </i></b>which
in the context
of his earlier
statement is
not exactly a
very veiled
threat. If he
was genuinely
concerned
about Joe
slipping and
falling due to
being drunk,
which is
laughable in
the context of
the
conversation,
he would not
have made the
threat so
specific.</span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">And
the larger
context of
course is that
there have
been many
other threats,
to many other
people, myself
as well as
this
publication
(IPR)
included.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m-8183115686762017626m936619301973169335gmail-fn"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">Joe
Wendt</span></span><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635174" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#5e5e5e;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">July
23, 2017 at
13:55</span></a></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">To
Andy,</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><b><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">I
have contacted
the police.
Since it has
not progressed
beyond
Facebook, they
told me to
block him and
contact them
again if he
continues the
harassing and
threatening
behavior. They
will be called
if he
threatens me
again.</span></i></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span class="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m-8183115686762017626m936619301973169335gmail-fn"><span style="font-size:11.5pt;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/paulie.cannoli" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#444444">paulie</span></a></span></span><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/07/paul-stanton-perhaps-working-with-white-nationalists-is-not-the-best-approach/#comment-1635179" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#5e5e5e;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">July
23, 2017 at
14:19</span></a></p>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Also,
if all of
these if all
of these
violent
threats have
been made, why
hasn’t anyone
gone to jail?
Has anyone
even gotten a
restraining
order?</span></i></div>
</blockquote><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Don’t
be naive.
Threats are
not always
made in a
verifiable,
provable form.
I’ve received
plenty of
threats over
the years,
including
death threats,
and I have
never felt the
urge to go to
the cops about
it. What the
fuck are they
going to do?
While they
conduct their
half assed
investigation
I may get
killed or
injured or
whatever else.
Or someone
else around
me.</span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">And
one of the
people that
has been
threatened by
Invictus,
Ramsey and
friends made a
good point.
This person
said that
Ramsey has
known contacts
in law
enforcement
and that there
are known ties
between many
members of law
enforcement
and white
supremacist
groups such as
the ones
Ramsey and
Invictus have
a lot of ties
to. So
reporting
anything to
law
enforcement
may actually
be cutting
your own
throat if you
get threatened
by these
assholes.</span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">FL:
Augustus
Invictus
campaigns in
front of white
nationalist
skinhead music
banner</span></a> <a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"> http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/12/fl-augustus-invictus-campaigns-in-front-of-white-nationalist-skinhead-music-banner/</a>
Note: Ramsey
also
frequently
associates
with that same
banner to this
day. "Rock
Against
Communism" may
sound like
something that
libertarians
would agree
with, but in
reality it's a
well-known
neo-nazi front
organization
that no
"former" white
supremacist
(as Ramsey
claims to be)
would have any
association
with. </span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism</a></span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">The
Rock Against
Communism
movement
originated in
the </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom" title="United
Kingdom" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">United
Kingdom</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> in
late 1978
with </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right" title="Far right" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">far
right</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> activists
associated
with the </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Front" title="British
National
Front" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">National
Front</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> (NF).</span></i><i><sup id="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m_-8183115686762017626m_936619301973169335gmail-cite_ref-soundtrack_4-0"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0b0080">[4]</span></a></span></sup></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> It
was intended
to counter
the </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Racism" title="Rock
Against
Racism" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Rock
Against Racism</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> organisation.</span></i><i><sup id="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m_-8183115686762017626m_936619301973169335gmail-cite_ref-soundtrack_4-1"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0b0080">[4]</span></a></span></sup></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> The
first RAC
concert was
in </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leeds" title="Leeds" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Leeds</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">, </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England" title="England" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">England</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> in
1978,
featuring the </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_punk" title="Nazi punk" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Nazi
punk</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> bands
The Dentists
and The Ventz.</span></i><i><sup id="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m_-8183115686762017626m_936619301973169335gmail-cite_ref-5"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-5" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0b0080">[5]</span></a></span></sup></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> RAC
held one
concert in
1979 and
another in
spring 1983,
which was
headlined by </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver" title="Skrewdriver" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Skrewdriver</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">,
a </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_rock" title="White power
rock" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">white
power rock</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> band
led by </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Stuart_Donaldson" title="Ian
Stuart
Donaldson" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Ian
Stuart
Donaldson</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">.
After that,
RAC concerts
were held more
often. They
were often
headlined by
Skrewdriver
and featured
other white
power bands,
such as </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skullhead" title="Skullhead" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Skullhead</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> and </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Remorse_%28band%29" title="No
Remorse
(band)" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">No
Remorse</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">.
In the
mid-1980s,
summer
concerts were
often held at
the </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk" title="Suffolk" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Suffolk</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> home
of </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Griffin" title="Edgar Griffin" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Edgar
Griffin</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">,
a </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_%28UK%29" title="Conservative
Party (UK)" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Conservative
Party</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> activist</span></i><i><sup id="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m_-8183115686762017626m_936619301973169335gmail-cite_ref-6"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-6" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0b0080">[6]</span></a></span></sup></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> and
father of </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Griffin" title="Nick Griffin" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Nick
Griffin</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">,
an NF
organiser who
later became
the national
chair of the </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party" title="British
National
Party" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">British
National Party</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">.
By the late
1980s, the RAC
name had given
way to the
White Noise
Club (another
NF-based
group), and
later </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_Honour" title="Blood and
Honour" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Blood
and Honour</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222">,
which was set
up by </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donaldson" title="Donaldson" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">Donaldson</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> when
they fell out
with the NF
leadership.</span></i><i><sup id="m_5991031207925912579m_9191089569067692325m_-1580620553636076827m_-7430972401358494010m_-8631976702655004429m_-7235771314403655498m_514318883016273481m_-5220239326593888638m_-8183115686762017626m_936619301973169335gmail-cite_ref-soundtrack_4-2"><span style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Against_Communism#cite_note-soundtrack-4" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0b0080">[4]</span></a></span></sup></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> As </span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardcore_punk" title="Hardcore punk" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#0b0080">hardcore
punk</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222"> music
became more
popular in the
1990s and
2000s, many
white power
bands took on
a more
hardcore-influenced
sound.</span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Note
that Ryan
Ramsey
continues to
proudly wave
the "Rock
against
communism"
banner. </span></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:silver;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Chuck
Moulton: ‘LP
conventions,
avoid
alt-right /
white
supremacist
event
speakers’</span></a>
<a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/chuck-moulton-lp-conventions-avoid-alt-right-white-supremacist-event-speakers/</a></span></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;word-spacing:0px"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">More
background: </span></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/alexandria-brown-response-to-ryan-ramsey-and-timeline-of-events/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/alexandria-brown-response-to-ryan-ramsey-and-timeline-of-events/</a></span></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-rape-assault-kidnapping-and-witness-tampering-allegations-against-augustus-invictus/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-rape-assault-kidnapping-and-witness-tampering-allegations-against-augustus-invictus/</a></span></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-augustus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-censure-from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/update-on-augustus-invictus-criminal-allegations-and-retraction-of-censure-from-florida-lp-possible-disaffiliation-by-lnc-floated/</a></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/david-colborne-augustus-sol-invictus-is-not-welcome-in-my-state/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/david-colborne-augustus-sol-invictus-is-not-welcome-in-my-state/</a></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knppster-were-going-to-shut-it-down/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knppster-were-going-to-shut-it-down/</a></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knapp-replace-lp-of-florida-exec-comm-and-bylaws/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/04/knapp-replace-lp-of-florida-exec-comm-and-bylaws/</a></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-lp-florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/paul-stanton-lp-florida-chair-marcos-miralles-must-resign/</a> :</p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Marcos
Miralles began
his race for
Chair of the
LPF with the
support of </span><a href="https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/augustus-sol-invictus-austin-gillespie" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#2baadf;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">Augustus
Sol Invictus</span></a></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">and
Ryan Ramsey,
both leaders
in white
supremacist
groups,
including </span><a href="https://www.adl.org/blog/behind-the-american-guard-hardcore-white-supremacists" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#2baadf;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">the
American Guard</span></a></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">.
(</span><a href="http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/indianapolis/indiana-american-guard-among-protestors-at-charlottesville-unite-the-right-rally" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#2baadf;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">The
American Guard
was one of the
groups present
in
Charlottesville
last weekend.</span></a></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">)
</span><a href="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/political-pulse/os-augustus-invictus-charlottesville-20170814-story.html" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#2baadf;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">Invictus
was also a
featured
speaker at the
Charlottesville white supremacist rally.</span></a></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#444444"> The support has not been one-sided. Last
year, </span><a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article97524342.html" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#2baadf;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">Marcos
Miralles
provided a
town hall for
Invictus</span></a></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> (as
part of a
campaign to
stir up drama
during the
primary), the
pictures from
which are </span><a href="http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article167083427.html" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#2baadf;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in">still
used by the
Miami Herald
to associate
our party with
Invictus</span></a></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">.
Additionally,
he proudly
displayed Ryan
Ramsey’s
endorsement on
his website
and </span><a href="https://docs.lpf.org/meeting/july-16th-2017/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open
Sans";color:#2baadf;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">appointed
Ryan Ramsey</span></a></i><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> to
our
Legislative
Review
Committee.
There is no
place for
white
supremacy in
the
Libertarian
Party of
Florida.</span></i></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Thankfully,
there was a
recent <a href="https://lpf.org/2017/08/libertarian-party-florida-first-strongest-voice-hate-filled-groups/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#2baadf;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">press
release</span></a> condemning
the events in
Charlottesville. Unfortunately, Marcos Miralles has refused to condemn
the white
supremacists
within our
party, or
recant his
previous
support.
Instead, he
insists that
he will “work
with
everybody” and
has dismissed
worries about
white
supremacists
using our
party to
support their
platform as
“non sense,”
despite the
support of the
previously-mentioned Libertarians, and despite the Libertarian Party of
Florida’s
representative
to the
Libertarian
Party platform
committee,
Frank Caprio.
Caprio
regularly
makes very
racist
comments,
including
quotes white
supremacist <a href="https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2017/06/07/bob-whitaker-author-racist-mantra-white-genocide-has-died" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#2baadf;border:none
windowtext
1.0pt;padding:0in">Bob
Whitaker</span></a>.
I physically
cringed when I
read Marcos
write: “The
Libertarian
Party of
Florida will
forever remain
the safest
home for all
of those that
fight for
civil rights.”<b>
As one of the
Libertarian
victims of
violent
threats and
harassment (a
Muslim mother
of biracial
children)
stated, “The
Libertarian
Party was not
a safe haven
for me and
many others
like me. It
should be, by
principle. […]
But that’s not
the present
day reality.”
Sadly, she
ended her
participation
with the party
after concerns
with the
safety of her
family. When
she reached
out to
Miralles, she
was ignored
and blocked on
social media.</b></span></i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/</a> </span><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/05/knapp-dickey-cover-2017-libertarian-party-of-florida-convention/</a></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">There
were people
yelling white
power. Larry
Sharpe went on
an alt-right
vlog by Ryan
Ramsey called
the Mad
American
Network. That
group was with
Invictus in
Harrisburg, PA
and at least
one member,
Dave Martel,
was seen sieg
heiling there.
Invictus
chased someone
out of a
courtesy suite
with threats
of violence.
Invictus was
then pushing
Paul Stanton
trying to pick
a fight. There
was loud
applause of
his speech
where he
hijacked our
convention for
five minutes,
then just
bragged about
it…</span></i></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">…our
gubernatorial
candidate
denied Stanton
a mic for a
privileged
motion, so
that he could
procedurally
kill a
pro-immigration
platform plank
without
letting it be
read.</span></i></p><p style="vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Thomas
Knapp lost an
ad hoc
election to
the LP
platform
committee to a
“constitutional conservative” who once told me, “anti-racist is code for
anti-white,”
Frank Caprio.
He’s from the
LP of Orange
County
(Orlando area,
same as
Invictus -p).</span></i></p>
<div style="margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;margin-bottom:0.0001pt;vertical-align:baseline"><i><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444">Oh,
and by the way
– no pretend
antifa
protesters
showed up, of
course.</span></i></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-why-libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-white-nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-socialists-and-antifa/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/09/paul-frankel-why-libertarians-need-to-denounce-the-alt-right-and-white-nationalists-and-dont-need-to-worry-about-libertarian-socialists-and-antifa/</a></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><a href="http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/lsla-2017-physically-removed-so-to-speak-making-the-lp-inhospitable-to-the-alt-right-and-other-nazis/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://independentpoliticalreport.com/2017/08/lsla-2017-physically-removed-so-to-speak-making-the-lp-inhospitable-to-the-alt-right-and-other-nazis/</a></p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I'm
sure that's
more than
enough for
now, but
there's plenty
more. Feel
free to email
or call <a href="tel:%28205%29%20534-1622" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">205-534-1622</a> to discuss, and
forward
wherever or
whenever you
wish. </p><p style="background:white;vertical-align:baseline;margin:1.71429rem;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Paul
Frankel </p><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "> <br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; word-spacing: 0px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; word-spacing: 0px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: white; vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; text-align: start; word-spacing: 0px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"> </span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div style="vertical-align: baseline; margin-top: 1.71429rem; margin-right: 1.71429rem; margin-bottom: 1.71429rem; margin-left: 1.71429rem; "><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Open Sans";color:#444444"></span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
<div dir="ltr">-- <br>
</div>
<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">
<div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>In Liberty,</b></font></div>
<div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" color="#666666"><b>Caryn Ann
Harlos</b></font></div>
<div><font size="1">Region 1 Representative,
Libertarian National Committee </font><span style="font-size:x-small">(Alaska,
Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Kansas,
Montana, Utah, Wyoming, Washington) - <a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Caryn.Ann.
Harlos@LP.org</a></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small">Communications
Director, <a href="http://www.lpcolorado.org/" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Libertarian
Party of Colorado</a></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small">Chair, LP
Historical Preservation Committee</span><br>
</div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small"><br>
</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small">A haiku
to the Statement of Principles:</span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small"><i>We
defend your rights</i></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small"><i>And
oppose the use of force</i></span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small"><i>Taxation
is theft</i></span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span style="font-size:x-small"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset>
<br>
<pre wrap="">_______________________________________________
Lnc-business mailing list
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org">http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org</a>
</pre>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>Lnc-business mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Lnc-business@hq.lp.org">Lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a><br>http://hq.lp.org/mailman/listinfo/lnc-business_hq.lp.org<br></blockquote></div><br></body></html>