<div dir="ltr">I asked for the post to be removed. I accept your explanation - however it just demonstrates the lack of judgment I have been pointing out.<div><br></div><div>You are the subject of a huge scandal with members. You bring in my name with an unqualified contextless statement - using MY good name to reform your own.</div><div><br></div><div>I would make a suggestion on how you could have done that the right way. But I don't want to be the subject of another of your FB posts on a subject that you just don't know when to quit.</div><div><br></div><div>-Caryn Ann</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Arvin Vohra <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:votevohra@gmail.com" target="_blank">votevohra@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">As I asked on facebook: I was trying to use your suggestion without plagiarizing. I can remove the post or remove the tag, whichever you prefer.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 1:29 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org" target="_blank">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Arvin Vohra-<div><br></div><div>You are a shameless user of people. If the rest of the LNC doesn't know, he took a snippet of the above, posted it on his wall to make it seem like I SUPPORTED HIM. That is a low unethical thing to do. You should be ashamed of yourself. </div><span class="m_5881465731340725228HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Caryn Ann</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></font></span></div><div class="m_5881465731340725228HOEnZb"><div class="m_5881465731340725228h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:21 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org" target="_blank">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thank you Alicia. I think there are varied opinions on some of the posts and others there is a consensus were just irrationally reckless for a leader to make.<div><br></div><div>This isn't a censoring of opinion, but an expectation on leaders.</div><div><br></div><div>One of the statements would read to people "I would rather someone be molested by a an adult male predator with a good job than some starry-eyed classmate having his first ill-advised venture into intimate relationships because it is cheaper for me." No leader should NOT see how that would be taken. That doesn't even need to get into whether or not anyone agrees with current age of consent laws or who should be the "investigating authority." It isn't for saying something "too Libertarian." It is for being callous and reckless and the cutesy background just makes it horrifying.</div><div><br></div><div>Another is equating acceptable of adult men with a consensual relationship to a teen and an adult man (ala Roy Moore) - why choose gay men with the implication that perhaps people should view that as unnatural - why be so insultingly inflammatory when gay men are often accused of being predators by the right? Why feed into a fear stereotype? Notice. None of that there is being "too Libertarian" it is being obnoxious and insulting - just like we critique Trump.</div><div><br></div><div>Another is saying he would "probably" not have a romantic relationship with a 14 year old. How any leader could not see that an educator saying that comes off as a creepy uncle vibe and will be the birth of a million memes (which it has) with the Libertarian Party name on it, has horrid judgment.</div><div><br></div><div>Another is saying that a relationship between a 60 year old and a 14 year old is EXACTLY THE SAME as two 14 year olds. It isn't that it "might be the same" etc but that it blanket is. </div><div><br></div><div>And lastly, there is a huge implication that culture and families are right. Well there are cultures and families that auction off child brides. A leader should know that it requires a lot more nuance than that. How about this? When are people ready for adult responsibilities, including with their bodies? When they are mature enough to consent with the ability to take responsibility. This isn't always the same for all people, so judgments must be made. Who best knows the people in order to judge if they meet those moral qualifications? Do you think the state is?</div><div><br></div><div>SEE? I made the argument in a reasonable way that connected the dots. Just saying "culture and family" without any moral qualifications leads to atrocities JUST like arbitrary laws have caused atrocities.</div><div><br></div><div>Leaders need to know when dealing with things such as this - children are the heart of people heart's - they will kill for their children - that cavalier FB snipes are just not appropriate. Perhaps social media is NOT the place at all. A leader would know that this would strike a nerve with people who know that many young people are assualted by adults they know - including parents. </div><div><br></div><div>So I want to put to rest the martyr syndrome that this is about being "too Libertarian." I hold the same radical anarchist credibility cards that Arvin does. I have no issue with saying Libertarian things. Just being allegedly "right" is NOT ENOUGH. We are stewards of a LEGACY, this isn't our personal doodle board.</div><span class="m_5881465731340725228m_-6197230117172662963HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-Caryn Ann</div></font></span></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_5881465731340725228m_-6197230117172662963h5">On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 9:59 PM, Alicia Mattson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com" target="_blank">agmattson@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_5881465731340725228m_-6197230117172662963h5"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Not all LNC members use Facebook, and even the ones who do may not spend the time to dig through all the comments to see what exactly is or isn't being said by Arvin Vohra on the topic of the day.<br><br></div>Attached is a PDF comprised of posts from his Facebook page so you can actually know what the complaints are about. There may be other posts on other pages, but I only looked at his page.<br><br></div>I didn't cherry pick a phrase here and there. No one can reasonably say I am pulling things out of context. These are entire posts over several days so you can decide for yourself what he is or isn't saying.<span class="m_5881465731340725228m_-6197230117172662963m_-4145167259741165837HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span class="m_5881465731340725228m_-6197230117172662963m_-4145167259741165837HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-Alicia<br><br><br></font></span></div>
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