<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body dir="auto">FYI<div><br></div><div><img src="cid:DEC5BC07-F943-4245-9A3C-096F235E58F6" alt="image1.jpeg" id="DEC5BC07-F943-4245-9A3C-096F235E58F6"><br>Daniel<br><div id="AppleMailSignature">Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jan 14, 2018, at 5:18 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn <<a href="mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org">elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8">
<p>This helps, as Joshua says an "electronic meeting". </p>
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<div dir="ltr">Considering the time and digital ink that has been spilled, I will join in a call for an electronic meeting. This is the second time this has been proposed; let's have a full consideration and reach a decision.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <span><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Elizabeth on reflection I think there are some flaws here. I was getting ready to email my state chairs about whether or not to co-sponsor at a minimum but there is not enough information. That section of the Bylaws is "for cause." I know what my reasons are but they are not everyone's, and I would not put my name to something that might affirm something I do not (such supporting the current state of consent laws or fixing the LNC on a position within that contentious subject on which Libertarians disagree). My concerns are behaviour and judgment.
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<div>I also think this too weighty for an email.</div>
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<div>IMHO a meeting should be called. And the motion IMHO is defective without the cause.</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">I find it very sad that a colleague has brought us to this place with<br> his repeated utter lack of judgment.<br> <br> I do not have my requisite Region 1 support at this time - Region 1 in<br> the past had no use for National and I worked my ass to change that.<br> Thanks to the incredibly destructive acts of our VC that work is<br> crumbling.<br> <br> If it were solely up to me I would co-sponsor and vote yes. But I am<br> a representative.<br> <br> God help me, if I were ever this utterly destructive to an<br> organization that I would realize this isn't about me and my<br> edgelordiness and step down.<br> <br> Despite the opinion of others or the narrative put forth by Arvin, for<br> me, this isn't some moderate squeamishness about Principles. I hold<br> them - and though I think his understanding of how they apply to young<br> people is shallow- that isn't the issue. It is conduct and behavior<br> repeatedly unbecoming a leader. It is not just this incident, it is a<br> repeated pattern and refusal to be able to work on a shared vision<br> that requires utter selfishness to be put aside.<br> <br> Things move slow in Region 1 and I don't even expect full answers in<br> this short time frame.<br> <br> On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 11:54 AM Caryn Ann Harlos<br> <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br> <br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 10:12 AM <<a href="mailto:steven.nekhaila@lp.org">steven.nekhaila@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br> <br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Colleagues,<br> <br> Coming from a State which has been targeted due to individuals<br> within<br> and experienced considerable flack for years despite the great<br> work we<br> have accomplished, my advice to this body is to not give in to the<br> lynch<br> mobs demands, as I do not believe our policies even give us an<br> avenue to<br> act, but instead to encourage those who want to change party<br> leadership<br> to participate in the 2018 Libertarian National Convention and<br> elect the<br> leadership they would like to see in charge. The leadership is a<br> reflection of the memberships will, if the membership wills to see<br> a<br> regime change that is their right, and the most effective way of<br> carrying that out is to book accommodations to be at the<br> convention of<br> the greatest political party in the United States of America and<br> be a<br> part of crafting the future of US politics and culture. That<br> should be<br> our only response, it is also the most genuine and effective way<br> for<br> anyone who wants leadership change to achieve it. Turning our<br> muzzles at<br> each other is not the answer and quite frankly our bylaws do not<br> allow<br> it (to my knowledge), and even if it did I would not recommend it.<br> We<br> must stay united and move business forward until convention,<br> encourage<br> participation in the 2018 convention, and stick to our mission.<br> Everything is else will end up in futility and that is not what<br> this<br> body wants.<br> <br> In Liberty,<br> <br> Steven Nekhaila<br> Region 2 Rep Alternate<br> <br> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt<br> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"<br> <br> On 2018-01-14 10:13 AM, Patrick McKnight wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">Thank you Elizabeth. I will co-sponsor this motion.<br> <br> Patrick McKnight<br> Region 8 Rep<br> Chair, NJLP<br> <br> On Jan 14, 2018 9:17 AM, "Daniel Hayes" <<a href="mailto:daniel.hayes@lp.org">daniel.hayes@lp.org</a>></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">the hell out of them though.<br> <br> I sure wish those 50 people got this pissed off at Ohio State<br> Government. It probably would have save us $100,000<br> <br> Daniel Hayes<br> LNC At Large Member<br> <br> Sent from my iPhone<br> <br> On Jan 14, 2018, at 8:07 AM, Dustin Nanna <<a href="mailto:dustin.nanna@lp.org">dustin.nanna@lp.org</a>><br> wrote:<br> <br> The possibility and reality that he HAS made people quit is why</blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">support this motion. That and the 50 or so Ohio members who are<br> completely disgusted.<br> <br> Dustin Nanna<br> LNC Region 3 Alternate<br> <br> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director<br> Libertarian Party of Ohio<br> <br> (740) 816-9805 [1]<br> <br> On Jan 14, 2018 9:05 AM, Dustin Nanna <<a href="mailto:dustin.nanna@lp.org">dustin.nanna@lp.org</a>></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> Motion, not amendment. Typo<br> <br> Dustin Nanna<br> LNC Region 3 Alternate<br> <br> Vice Chair/Deputy Communications Director<br> Libertarian Party of Ohio<br> <br> (740) 816-9805 [1]<br> <br> On Jan 14, 2018 9:04 AM, Daniel Hayes <<a href="mailto:daniel.hayes@lp.org">daniel.hayes@lp.org</a>></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><br> In Louisiana, we have been through some legendary infighting.<br> We've seen the wear and tear it puts on people and the<br> organization.<br> <br> We had a SCC meeting yesterday and I brought the subject of<br> Arvin's latest statement up and asked if we wanted to create</blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">response. The "No" was palpable. We discussed it further</blockquote>
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Arvin if<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">he runs again was the way it should be handled.<br> <br> I suspect that after a 3 year period of grievances and attempts</blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">What we learned the hard way was the infighting/attempts at<br> discipline was probably much more destructive than anything</blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">the bigger problem. I think a lot of it likely violates the LP<br> "Pledge". Attempting to use "force" for political</blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">trying to get people to quit is the bigger issue.<br> <br> Daniel Hayes<br> LNC At Large Member<br> <br> Daniel Hayes<br> <br> Sent from my iPhone<br> <br> On Jan 14, 2018, at 7:28 AM, David Demarest</blockquote>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">I will proudly, publicly, and emphatically vote "NO"!<br> <br> Who among you is willing to cast the second stone?<br> <br> Thoughts?<br> <br> ~David Pratt Demarest<br> <br> On Jan 14, 2018 4:52 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn<br> <<a href="mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org">elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br> <br> I make a motion to suspend Arvin Vohra from his position as</blockquote>
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If I could co-sponsor, I absolutely would. I've been contacted by more constituents about this issue than any other issue since I started this job. Thank you for putting this forward.</blockquote>
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