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<p>On 2018-07-31 13:58, Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business wrote:</p>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: 12.8px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; float: none; display: inline;">---So it just takes a majority of those voting to pass this motion which is well less than 50% of the LNC at this time. I think that would be a horrible precedent to set, especially for such an important subject.---</span>
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<div>Does an express abstention factor in to the vote total/ratio?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 10:47 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business <span><<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">So it just takes a majority of those voting to pass this motion which is well less than 50% of the LNC at this time. I think that would be a horrible precedent to set, especially for such an important subject.<br /> <br /> This is a very bad idea and should have been open to a debate at our next meeting. There is nothing urgent confronting the LNC at this point that would require a pretend JC with no actual Bylaws authority or enforcement ability.<br /> <br /> Please vote No and let's talk about the situation next month.<br /> <br /> Live Free,<span class="im HOEnZb"><br /> <br /> <br /> ---<br /> Sam Goldstein<br /> Libertarian National Committee<br /> 317-850-0726 Cell<br /> <br /></span>
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<div class="h5">On 2018-07-31 10:02, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">I vote yes.<br /> <br /> In practice this is very similar to the idea of an Appeals Committee.<br /> Seems to be the best solution to the situation that the convention<br /> delegates created.<br /> <br /> ---<br /> Tim Hagan<br /> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee<br /> <br /> On 2018-07-31 04:58, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">REMINDER - This ballot will expire on AUGUST 1, 2018.<br /> <br /> I have noted the following (please inform me of any corrections):<br /> <br /> Voting AYE: Harlos, Longstreth, Merced, Nekhaila, Olsen, Phillips<br /> <br /> Voting NAY: Goldstein, Lyons<br /> <br /> Express Abstentions: None<br /> <br /> Not Voting: Bilyeu/Adams, Bishop-Henchman, Hagan, Lark/Hogarth,<br /> Mattson, Redpath, Sarwark, Smith, Van Horn/Nanna<br /> <br /> For a current tally of 6-2.<br /> <br /> Notes: Region 8 Representative Hewitt has not voted so Alternate<br /> Olsen's vote stands.<br /> <br /> You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes here:<br /> <a href="https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting">https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting</a><br /> <br /> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:09 PM, Jeff Lyons via Lnc-business<br /> <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">On 2018-07-25 20:40, Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;"><br /> I vote yes, from my understanding this does not appoint them as the<br /> judicial committee which if successfully elected by delegates we'd be<br /> bound to follow.<br /> <br /> Instead this just says the LNC will voluntarily bind itself to the<br /> decisions of the top 7 vote getters in matters in which a JC would<br /> operate.<br /> <br /> This seems to me an effort to self-regulate in a spirit that Best<br /> represents an effort to represent the wishes of the delegation to the<br /> extent such can be discernible with the existing votes.<br /> <br /> This motion does not say they are the JC but just that we will hold<br /> their deliberations voluntarily binding in same way we'd be<br /> mandatorily bound had they'd successfully been elected.<br /> <br /> An unfortunate compromise, but the best one I've seen. It isn't the<br /> LNC Creating new powers but voluntarily putting a back stop on its<br /> existing ones temporarily since no other backstops exist formally for<br /> the time being.<br /> <br /> Alex Merced<br /> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP<br /> <br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business<br /> <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br /> <br /> It is better than having zero protection at all for the members. And<br /> IF after making this agreement, anyone who voted to then renege I<br /> would hope would not be re-elected. This "JC" has already submitted<br /> it appellate rules.<br /> <br /> Our Party structure NEVER imagined an unaccountable LNC.<br /> <br /> -Caryn Ann<br /> <br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Sam Goldstein <<a href="mailto:sam.goldstein@lp.org">sam.goldstein@lp.org</a>><br /> wrote:<br /> I vote No on this motion.<br /> <br /> 1. The Bylaws are clear that only delegates at convention can elect the<br /> Judicial Committee<br /> 2. The Top Seven mentioned in this motion were not approved by margins<br /> of at<br /> least 60% of the<br /> delegates so would not meet the precedent set by the last JC of<br /> requiring<br /> a majority approval of delegates<br /> 3. There is no provision in either the Bylaws or Policy Manual of how<br /> this<br /> pretend JC would function, whether it<br /> would follow Appellate rules set by the last JC or would dream up its'<br /> own rules that this motion would<br /> have the LNC be bound to follow<br /> 4. This has essentially already been rejected by the LNC per the motion<br /> to<br /> recognize the Top Seven as the JC (which I voted<br /> in favor of but have reconsidered)<br /> <br /> Please consider my points before you vote on this motion. The entire<br /> purpose of the Judicial Committee is to have a body<br /> that is not beholden to the LNC. There is no guarantee that if the<br /> pretend<br /> JC makes a decision objectionable to the LNC that<br /> the LNC cannot just reverse this motion by a majority vote.<br /> <br /> ---<br /> Sam Goldstein<br /> Libertarian National Committee<br /> 317-850-0726 Cell<br /> <br /> <br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">On 2018-07-25 13:23, Craig Bowden via Lnc-business wrote:<br /> <br /> Yes<br /> <br /> Craig Bowden<br /> Region 1 Alternate<br /> <br />
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0 0 0 .8ex; border-left: 1px #ccc solid; padding-left: 1ex;">On 2018-07-25 06:06, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:<br /> <br /> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business<br /> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors:<br /> Harlos,<br /> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian<br /> National<br /> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven<br /> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if<br /> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and<br /> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is<br /> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or<br /> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of<br /> votes<br /> here: [1]<a href="https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting">https://tinyurl.com/lncvoti<wbr />ng</a><br /> --<br /> In Liberty,<br /> Caryn Ann Harlos<br /> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -<br /> [2]Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.<br /> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org<br /> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:<br /> We defend your rights<br /> And oppose the use of force<br /> Taxation is theft<br /> <br /> References<br /> <br /> 1. <a href="https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting">https://tinyurl.com/lncvoting</a><br /> 2. mailto:<a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org">Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org</a></blockquote>
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<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> --<br /> In Liberty,<br /> Caryn Ann Harlos<br /> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -<br /> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.<br /> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org<br /> <br /> <br /> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:<br /> We defend your rights<br /> And oppose the use of force<br /> Taxation is theft</blockquote>
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<br /> <br /> <br /> I could get behind this solution, once we ensure this never happens again.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> --<br /> In Liberty,<br /> Jeff Lyons<br /> <br /> Region 8 Alternate<br /> (Acting Region 8 Rep)<br /> <br /> Libertarian Assoc. of MA<br /> Membership Director<br /> <a href="http://www.lpmass.org/join">http://www.lpmass.org/join</a><br /> <br /> Daniel Fishman for Auditor<br /> Campaign Manager<br /> <a href="http://www.AuditMassachusetts.com">http://www.AuditMassachusetts.<wbr />com</a><br /> </blockquote>
<br /> <br /> <br /> --<br /> --<br /> In Liberty,<br /> Caryn Ann Harlos<br /> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -<br /> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.<br /> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org<br /> <br /> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:<br /> We defend your rights<br /> And oppose the use of force<br /> Taxation is theft</blockquote>
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