I would be happy to co-sponsor the version submitted by Ms harlos if she chooses to move. I think it clarifies and is in the spirit of how we have clearly been operating.<div><br></div><div>Richard<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 2, 2018, 12:26 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Perhaps:<br>
<br>
1) Electronic Mail Ballots<br>
<br>
Notification of an electronic mail ballot shall be made by the<br>
Secretary by electronic mail. The notification may not contain an<br>
argument for or against passage. An LNC Member may change their vote<br>
on an electronic mail ballot, provided that the change is received by<br>
the Secretary by the deadline for return of ballots.<br>
<br>
<br>
That makes it clear.<br>
<br>
-Caryn Ann<br>
<br>
On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
<<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org" target="_blank">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I think so.<br>
><br>
> -Caryn Ann<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 9:38 AM brent.olsen--- via Lnc-business<br>
> <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> That makes sense. Perhaps it is time for a policy update?<br>
>><br>
>> In Liberty,<br>
>> K. Brent Olsen<br>
>> Alternate, Region 4<br>
>><br>
>> On 2018-08-02 00:09, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business wrote:<br>
>> > Before there were electronic mail ballots, there were mail ballots --<br>
>> > as in USPS, snail-mail ballots. This policy was written for a<br>
>> > scenario when the Secretary might need to put a stamp on an envelope<br>
>> > and send a piece of mail to each LNC member. In that situation, the<br>
>> > piece of mail that was sent was not to include arguments for/against<br>
>> > the motion. There was nothing to preclude members from phoning each<br>
>> > other, or emailing each other as more LNC members got email accounts,<br>
>> > to argue for or against a motion.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Whenever email ballots came along, the policy just slapped<br>
>> > "electronic" into the existing wording as an easy fix, though it<br>
>> > doesn't really have the same impact in the age of email.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > The parallel application is just that when the Secretary sends out the<br>
>> > email which starts the process, that email message should not contain<br>
>> > debate.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > -Alicia<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 5:27 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business<br>
>> > <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> I believe we may have been doing something incorrectly as per our<br>
>> >> special rules. Specifically:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Section 1.04 ELECTRONIC MAIL BALLOT PROCEDURES<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> 1) Electronic Mail Ballots 30 Electronic mail ballots shall not<br>
>> >> include an accompanying argument for or against passage of the<br>
>> >> motion.<br>
>> >> Notification of an electronic mail ballot shall be made by the<br>
>> >> Secretary by electronic mail. An LNC Member may change his or her<br>
>> >> vote<br>
>> >> on an electronic mail ballot, provided that the change is received<br>
>> >> by<br>
>> >> the Secretary by the deadline for return of ballots.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Because when I was first elected debate was permitted in the threads<br>
>> >> I<br>
>> >> always interpreted this to mean that the ballot, i.e. the post by<br>
>> >> the<br>
>> >> Secretary, should not include any argument. But I see that in the<br>
>> >> past, this was not the case but was interpreted to mean no debate at<br>
>> >> all by anyone.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> I think we need clarity on this.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Personally - I am opposed to not having debate on the email thread -<br>
>> >> I<br>
>> >> think it provides better results, but I think we may be violating<br>
>> >> our<br>
>> >> rules and that we either need to cease allowing debate or modify our<br>
>> >> Policy Manual.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> -Caryn Ann<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> --<br>
>> >> In Liberty,<br>
>> >> Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
>> >> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -<br>
>> >> Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.<br>
>> >> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:<br>
>> >> We defend your rights<br>
>> >> And oppose the use of force<br>
>> >> Taxation is theft<br>
>><br>
> --<br>
> --<br>
> In Liberty,<br>
> Caryn Ann Harlos<br>
> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary - Caryn.Ann.<br>
> Harlos@LP.org or Secretary@LP.org.<br>
> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee - LPedia@LP.org<br>
><br>
> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:<br>
> We defend your rights<br>
> And oppose the use of force<br>
> Taxation is theft<br>
</blockquote></div></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr">Richard Longstreth<div>Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, KS, MT, NM, OR, HI, UT, WA, WY)</div><div>Libertarian National Committee</div><div><a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a></div><div>931.538.9300</div></div></div>