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<div style="font-size: 10pt;"><div dir="auto">I meant the motion(s) at the 2020 convention, not your motion ;) sorry for being unclear.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It would likely require multiple levels of motion to do correctly, suspension of rules, followed by a bylaws ammendment to allow an election and a shortened term in a case like this, then either an election or affirmation vote.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Either way it is my considered opinion that having a fully vested and empowered JC for the 2020 convention is important. Others may not agree, but I will be pushing for it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="auto" font-size:9pt;"="">John Phillips</div><div dir="auto" font-size:9pt;"=""><br></div><div dir="auto" font-size:9pt;"=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Libertarian National Committee Region 6 </span><span style="font-size: 10pt;">Representative</span></div><div dir="auto" font-size:9pt;"=""><span style="font-size: 10pt;"><br></span></div><div dir="auto" font-size:9pt;"="">Cell <a href="tel:217-412-5973">217-412-5973</a></div></div></div><div style="font-size: 10pt;"><div id="LGEmailHeader" dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">------ Original message------</div><div dir="auto"><b>From: </b>Caryn Ann Harlos<caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org></caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org></div><div dir="auto"><b>Date: </b>Thu, Aug 2, 2018 6:31 PM</div><div dir="auto"><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>;</div><div dir="auto"><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>;</div><div dir="auto"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div><div><div>It says as per Bylaws. If the 2020 delegates amend the bylaws to elect then their term is over.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If not then it’s 2022. There is an expiration date in the motion - the bylaws.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Caryn Ann</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 3:24 PM <a href="http://john.ph">john.ph</a>illips--- via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div style="font-size:10pt"><div dir="auto">Unless the motion is simply to affirm them until 2022 </div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:45px"><div style="font-size:10pt"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><div dir="auto">John Phillips</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:10pt">Libertarian National Committee Region 6 </span><span style="font-size:10pt">Representative</span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-size:10pt"><br></span></div><div dir="auto">Cell <a href="tel:217-412-5973" target="_blank">217-412-5973</a></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:45px"><div style="font-size:10pt"><div id="m_-2512319051949222828LGEmailHeader" dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">------ Original message------</div><div dir="auto"><b>From: </b>Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <u></u><u></u></div><div dir="auto"><b>Date: </b>Thu, Aug 2, 2018 5:06 PM</div><div dir="auto"><b>To: </b>Libertarian National Committee list;</div><div dir="auto"><b>Cc: </b>Alicia Mattson;</div><div dir="auto"><b>Subject:</b>Re: [Lnc-business] Email Ballot 2018-19: AGREE TO "JC" DECISIONS</div><div dir="auto"><br></div></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:45px"><div style="font-size:10pt"><div><div>If the 2020 convention takes whatever actions are necessary to populate a JudComm, then it makes the lack of an expiration date in this motion a problem. As Ms. Harlos indicated yesterday, her intent is for it to apply for the duration of the 4-year term that would have existed had a JudComm been elected. If the 2020 convention acts and puts different people in for the remaining 2 years of the term, then this motion becomes in conflict with the delegates. At the Phoenix meeting it is my intention to amend the motion just adopted to add an expiration date which would be the end of this LNC term.<br><br></div>-Alicia<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:45 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <span><<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Unless the 2020 Convention takes care of the problem, yes.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That solves the problem that we - through our chair - inadvertently (but still grievously) caused.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The delegates can take it up in 2020 </div><span class="m_-2512319051949222828HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Caryn Ann</div></font></span><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">PS: the official results will be announced shortly</div><div><div class="m_-2512319051949222828h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Aug 2, 2018 at 6:44 AM Sam Goldstein <<a href="mailto:sam.goldstein@lp.org" target="_blank">sam.goldstein@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<p>So this pretend JC will serve until 2022?</p></div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
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<div dir="auto">The motion specifies that things would continue as if elected which means their term would end as per Bylaws. I explicitly anticipated that.</div>
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<div>On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 11:13 PM Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>It occurs to me that this motion contains no expiration date, which could lead to confusion about whether these 7 people would play this role forever, even in a future LNC term, even after a Judicial Committee is elected, etc.<br><br></div>
<div>This motion needs to clarify that it expires at the end of this term.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 5:06 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <span><<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>></span> wrote:</div>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> We have an electronic mail ballot. Votes are due to the LNC-Business<br> list by AUGUST 1, 2018 at 11:59:59pm Pacific time. Co-Sponsors: Harlos,<br> Longstreth, Merced, Phillips Motion: Move that the Libertarian National<br> Committee agree to be bound by the decisions of the top-seven<br> vote-getters for the Judicial Committee at the 2018 Convention as if<br> they were elected in the normal course of convention business and<br> follow the procedures and rules set forth in our Bylaws. It is<br> acknowledged that this agreement is not binding upon any member or<br> affiliate. You can keep track of the Secretary's manual tally of votes</blockquote>
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