<div dir="auto">Without being pedantic of course people can be “told” anything. I think the context of my statement was not quite so literally wooden. I think we all know how language works. I still fail to see what was so originally horribly offensive but since the critique was directed to Richard, I leave that to him to sort out.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">On the topic of the application, yes, it will be published on the site and email blasted. It is finished but pending Wes to put the new page and application through APRC approval. I will be following up with him today.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Caryn Ann</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 11:00 PM Elizabeth Van Horn <<a href="mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org">elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif">
<p>You wrote: "<span>But no one can be told they cannot speech." <br><br>Sure they can. People can be told anything. Whether one chooses to listen, or do it, is a different matter. <br><br>Regardless of who said what, or replied to whom, more focus on LP business, would be good. <br><br>With that in mind, the unified committee application will be on the LP website? If so, I'm guessing that staff will send out appropriate information through the LP newsletter, emails, and/or contacts to state affiliates. I'm excited to let members in Region 3 know about the committee applications. I've already had multiple people inquire about the various committees and express an interest. I expect we'll have a good response ratio from members who are wanting to serve on various committees. A great opportunity for members to help grow and build the LP! <br><br>EVH</span></p>
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<div dir="auto">I - too - am lost as to what Joe was speaking about. However we all from time to time may read something on this list that we don't care for. No one is being personally cc'd - this is a distribution list and while we can ask for different communication styles none of us can tell another member that because we personally don't like what they had to say that they have to take it off list to avoid offending a few people. Members have a right to send to the list and we have to choose to scroll by messages we don't care for. I scrolled by several over the past two weeks directed at me.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Plus on all counts it seems the offense is highly selective and not uniformly applied depending on who the target is.</div>
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<div dir="auto">But no one can be told they cannot speech. They can be exhorted to elevate speech. Though in this case I'm hard pressed to see where the offense was.</div>
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<div>---------------------<br> Resolved, this convention seeks to recognize and promote young<br> libertarian activists;<br> Resolved, the convention instructs the Libertarian National Committee<br> ("LNC") to create a Youth Engagement Committee ("the Committee");<br> Resolved, the committee shall consist of five (5) members, of which;<br> At least one shall be on the LNC,<br> At least two shall be under the age of twenty-seven, and at least one shall be a current college student;<br> Resolved, the LNC shall appoint the members of the committee;<br> Resolved, the committee shall elect from its members a chair;<br> Resolved, the committee shall make recommendations to the LNC on conducting outreach to younger voters and education such on what the party stands for; and<br> Resolved, this resolution shall take effect after the first meeting of the LNC.<br> ------------------------</div>
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<div>The details are slightly vague but do give enough direction for application purposes, I believe. We can either flush out more details or let the original resolution speak for itself and see what the committee comes up with. I err on the latter, personally.</div>
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<div>On Fri, Aug 3, 2018, 20:50 Richard Longstreth <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org" target="_blank">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">John, it was a resolution with some level of instruction to the propose. It wasn't very detailed but did outline the intentions. I believe Joe supplied the some of the original text. I will attempt to locate the entirety and will share here if I can find it.
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<div dir="auto">Just to clear it up in my mind, I thought we passed a resolution to create a committee? Not actually created one? </div>
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<div dir="auto">Very good chance I am misremembering, as I was also fielding phone calls from my business and my state affiliate at the time it came up. </div>
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<div dir="auto"><strong>To: </strong><a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org" target="_blank">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>;</div>
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It was done from the floor, Sam. The delegates voted on it. I didn't the hear you or anyone object to the language there; in fact I believe it passed unanimously. Also, why are you saying this was written on the fly? Do you know this to be true? If not, and if I was the author, I'd be tremendously insulted at your criticism rather than assistance in making it happen or helping to clear up the language before passage.
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Another fine example of writing policy on the fly with little or no <br> experience.<br> <br> ---<br> Sam Goldstein<br> Libertarian National Committee<br> <a href="tel:317-850-0726" target="_blank">317-850-0726</a> Cell<br> <br> On <a href="tel:2018-08-03%2015" target="_blank">2018-08-03 15</a>:45, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote:<br> > The resolution text was:<br> > <br> > Make recommendations to the LNC on conducting outreach to younger<br> > voters and education such on what the party stands for<br> > <br> > <br> > I think "education" is supposed to be "educating," or perhaps there's<br> > a missing "as" after "such"<br> > <br> > JBH<br> > <br> > ------------<br> > Joe Bishop-Henchman<br> > LNC Member (At-Large)<br> > <a href="mailto:joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org" target="_blank">joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org</a><br> > <a href="http://www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837" target="_blank">www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837</a><br> > <br> > On <a href="tel:2018-08-03%2015" target="_blank">2018-08-03 15</a>:15, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:<br> >> Need a little bit more detail<br> >> <br> >> On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 1:10 PM, <a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org" target="_blank">john.phillips@lp.org</a><br> >> <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org" target="_blank">john.phillips@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br> >>> Youth outreach, education, and recruitment i believe<br> >>> <br> >>> John Phillips<br> >>> <br> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br> >>> <br> >>> Cell <a href="tel:217-412-5973" target="_blank">217-412-5973</a><br> >>> <br> >>> ------ Original message------<br> >>> From: Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business<br> >>> Date: Fri, Aug 3, 2018 2:06 PM<br> >>> To: Libertarian National Committee list;<br> >>> Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos;<br> >>> Subject:[Lnc-business] Youth Committee<br> >>> <br> >>> Okay so I know this was created by a resolution in convention but do<br> >>> we have a description on what it is to do? I am asking because the<br> >>> unified committee application web page and form is nearly done and I<br> >>> need to add a description for that committee.<br> >>> <br> >>> --<br> >>> In Liberty,<br> >>> Caryn Ann Harlos<br> >>> Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary -<br> >>> <a href="http://Caryn.An" target="_blank">Caryn.An</a>n.<a href="mailto:+Harlos@LP.org" target="_blank"> Harlos@LP.org</a> or<a href="mailto:+Secretary@LP.org." target="_blank"> Secretary@LP.org.</a><br> >>> Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee -<a href="mailto:+LPedia@LP.org" target="_blank"> LPedia@LP.org</a><br> >>> <br> >>> <br> >>> A haiku to the Statement of Principles:<br> >>> We defend your rights<br> >>> And oppose the use of force<br> >>> Taxation is theft</blockquote>
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