<div dir='auto'>Forwarding to the list by request.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">John</div></div><div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>From: travellingcircus@gmail.com<br>Date: Jul 5, 2019 7:16 PM<br>Subject: Fwd: LNC chairs, members and staff: conflict? bylaw?<br>To: Jim Lark <James.Lark@lp.org><br>Cc: Alicia Mattson <agmattson@gmail.com>,Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org>,Jeff Lyons <jeff.lyons@lp.org>,John Phillips <john.phillips@lp.org>,Nicholas Sarwark <nsarwark@gmail.com>,alex.merced@lp.org,richard.longstreth@lp.org," Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org><br><br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><br /></div><div>It occurs to me Dr. Lark is also someone who may know a good deal more about the various subjects broached here, is on EPCC, has been on LNC for over 20 years iirc, and former national chair, so since he is now on the thread in question, adding to the CC. Hope that's OK, apologies if not. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Frankel <br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div class="elided-text"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:large;font-weight:bold">Forwarded Conversation</span><br /><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: LNC chairs, members and staff: conflict? bylaw?</span><br />------------------------<br /></div><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">From: <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 3:55 PM<br />To: Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>Revising and extending my remarks which some of you got earlier. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Re: bylaws. Several people in the conversation have stated that hiring the chair as staff violates some bylaw. Yet no one has cited which bylaw it violates. Can anyone please cite it? <br /></div><div><br /></div><div>People have also repeatedly mentioned it as a theoretical possibility, as if it is something that never happened. However, at least unless I was misinformed, it did actually happen.Former LNC chair (2002-4, 2012-14) Geoff Neale told me it is within the chair's power to appoint
himself executive director, and that he did so during his prior term as
chair (2002-2004) when he either fired the prior executive director, that person quit, or the job search was not going fast and/or well enough (I forget which). Neale says he then hired hemself for that position. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div> I don't know if chair is any different in this
regard, but during my term as alternate (2012-4) several LNC members
were HQ contractors: Michael Cloud (writing/fundraising), Dianna Visek
(ballot access), John Jay Myers (printing, tshirts, etc) and if you want
to count alternates also myself (ballot access). I'm pretty sure that
was neither the first nor last time that happened. Starchild served on that same LNC term with me, so he should be in a position to know this as well. <br /></div><br />Caryn Ann writes "I am likely almost between jobs, maybe I should be a membership contractor." The tone suggest that this is some kind of reduction ad absurdum, but I see no problem with it, and think she has the proven skills to be membership contractor. If she applied and I was hiring, I would consider her a very strong and proven contender for the job. If it's against her personal ethics that's perfectly fine, but again, if it's against some bylaw, what bylaw or bylaws would that be? <br /></div><div dir="ltr"><br /></div><div dir="ltr">"...better than paying someone for what they are already supposed to be doing." Yes, of course the chair is already supposed to be fundraising. But he also has to find a new job (at least from reading between the lines) and take care of his family. There's a substantial difference in the amount of time and effort he can reasonably be expected to spend, or is physically capable of, if that is his paying job or if it isn't. As a party member and from time to time member or officer of various party committees (currently state party secretary) I should be expected to volunteer to help get the party on the ballot, and I would and have. But if it wasn't also my paying job I couldn't do nearly as much of it. <br /></div><div dir="ltr"><br /></div><div dir="ltr">"Also and this is not intended to insult anyone, but while I think Mr.
Sarwark is fantastic, is there any evidence he is a better fundraising
than a professional fundraiser?" I can't speak to Nick's fundraising skills vis a vis other actual or likely applicants; I have no idea who any of them are, or if there are any yet, I do know that Nick is in fact proven and known to a lot of top and mid level donors and already has a relationship with them. I'm no fundraising expert myself, and have no interest in the position, but I did take some courses on it, and one of the things we were taught was that a chair by virtue of that position automatically has some major advantages in major fundraising, because big donors like to feel like they are talking directly to the top person in an organization. This is an observation which is entirely independent of evaluating Nick as a person versus whoever else has or might conceivably apply, as it applies to his current title, not his personal qualities or abilities as an individual. <br /></div><div dir="ltr"><div><br /></div><div>As
usual, I am copying only those who participated in a thread already (plus Nick, since he is the subject of it) and
leaving it up to you whether to copy the rest of the LNC or not. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div><div><br /></div><div>-paulie frankel 205-534-1622</div></div></div></div>
<br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <b dir="auto">Caryn Ann Harlos</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:05 PM<br />To: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>><br />Cc: Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div><div dir="auto">Mr Neale screwed the pooch if that happened.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">And just consider if I’m raising the question of his efficacy I may information or a POV you don’t.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">I wouldn’t say that if I didn’t have good reason. Like Nick, I’m in law and rarely ask questions that I don’t at least think I know the answer to.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">As far as bylaws, when it comes to money, the ethical view should be that potentially problematic payments to fiduciaries FOR DOING THE JOB THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO, are prohibited unless explicitly allowed.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Those other times I addressed. That was extra. And I would likely oppose 99% of the time.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">I’m not posting anymore to the list tonight.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">I’m surprised you support.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">My LP disillusionment thickens. All good things come to an end.</div>-- <br /><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="letter-spacing:0.2px"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:small;letter-spacing:normal"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br /></div><div><font size="4" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#666666"><b> In Liberty,</b></font></div><div><b style="color:rgb( 255 , 0 , 255 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"><i><img src="https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download" width="200" height="41" /></i></b><br /></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><b>Libertarian Party and Libertarian National Committee Secretary </b>- <a href="mailto:Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org" style="color:rgb( 17 , 85 , 204 )">Caryn.Ann. Harlos@LP.org</a> or Secretary@LP.org.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small"><b>Chair, LP Historical Preservation Committee</b> - LPedia@LP.org</span><br /></div><div><span style="font-size:x-small">Call me at 561.523.2250 and follow my public figure page at </span><font size="1"><a href="http://facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/">facebook.com/pinkflameofliberty/</a></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="letter-spacing:0.2px"><br /></div><div style="letter-spacing:0.2px"><div style="text-align:center;letter-spacing:normal"><font size="1" face="arial narrow, sans-serif">=========================================================================</font></div><div style="letter-spacing:normal"><font size="1" face="arial narrow, sans-serif">Peaceful Commerce With All Nations * Non-interventionism * Re-Legalize All Drugs * End Government Intrusion In The Bedroom * Repeal All Gun Laws * Abolish All Taxation * Sound, Free-market Money * Abolish The Fed * End Corporate & Individual Welfare * Abolish The IRS and Repeal the Income Tax * Privatize Transportation Infrastructure * Free-market Emergency Services * Open Migration * Transfer Government Schools To The Private Sector * Eliminate Regulation * </font></div><div style="letter-spacing:normal"><font size="1" face="arial narrow, sans-serif"><br /></font></div><div style="letter-spacing:normal"><div style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-family:'arial narrow' , sans-serif;font-size:x-small">VOTE LIBERTARIAN * 800-ELECT-US or </span><a href="http://www.lp.org/" style="font-family:'arial narrow' , sans-serif;font-size:x-small;color:rgb( 17 , 85 , 204 )">http://www.LP.org</a></b></div><font size="1" face="arial narrow, sans-serif"><div style="text-align:center;color:rgb( 17 , 85 , 204 )"><span style="color:rgb( 34 , 34 , 34 )">=========================================================================</span></div></font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <b dir="auto">John Phillips</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:05 PM<br />To: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>><br />Cc: Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, Caryn.Ann.Harlos@LP.org <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div dir="auto">Thank you Paulie<br /><br /><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">John Phillips<br />Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br />Cell 217-412-5973</div></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <b dir="auto">Caryn Ann Harlos</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:15 PM<br />To: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>><br />Cc: Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div><div dir="auto">Ps being between jobs is irrelevant. When I will soon be unemployed I do not expect the LNC to pay me to do my elected job. If I can’t have the time to do my elected job, I resign. That’s how it works.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">This combined with the secrecy of why we no longer have Lauren sucks. </div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Do we know? Will we ever? And private interviews don’t cut it- those are not LNC interviews and blurs the line between elected role and friend as many on the LNC are friendly with Lauren. I regret not pushing for one with Wes.</div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:15 PM<br />To: Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>><br />Cc: Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr"><div>Interspersed<br /></div><br /><div class="elided-text"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:05 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br /></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">Mr Neale screwed the pooch if that happened.</div></div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>That's possible. I'm making no statement as to whether it was a good idea or not. I'm providing historical facts which LNC members may want to take into consideration, as well as providing my perspective as someone who has simultaneously been a state or national party exec com member while also working as a party contractor, and as someone who served on an LNC term where at least three (or at least four, if you count myself as a then alternate) mebers were at that time party contractors, with a chair who also served as a party employee during his previous term as chair according to what he told me. <br /></div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">And just consider if I’m raising the question of his efficacy I may information or a POV you don’t.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">I wouldn’t say that if I didn’t have good reason. Like Nick, I’m in law and rarely ask questions that I don’t at least think I know the answer to.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>That's also entirely possible. I have no idea what you may know that I don't. I'm sure there are many such things. I have no ability to evaluate them since I do not know them. <br /></div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"></div><div dir="auto">As far as bylaws, when it comes to money, the ethical view should be that potentially problematic payments to fiduciaries FOR DOING THE JOB THEY WERE ELECTED TO DO, are prohibited unless explicitly allowed.</div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div>Perhaps. But my recollection is that when it was actually considered as a bylaw amendment, it did not pass. There was a proposal
to bar LNC members from being party contractors, and that failed; off
hand I don't remember if it was voted down by the bylaws committee,
passed bylaws but ran out of time before being considered on the floor, or got voted
down by the delegates. I think that was at the 2014 convention.</div><div> </div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Those other times I addressed. That was extra. And I would likely oppose 99% of the time.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">I’m not posting anymore to the list tonight.</div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div>Fair enough. <br /></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">I’m surprised you support.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">My LP disillusionment thickens. All good things come to an end.</div><div><br /></div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>I neither support nor oppose. I am sorry if I came off as taking a position on whether you should hire Nick, allow him to apply, or disallow it. That's a decision for the current LNC. My sole interest is in having you all be aware of facts which were not mentioned and which may be pertinent to that decision. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div>Frankel <br /></div></div></div>
<br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <b dir="auto">Jeff Lyons</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:22 PM<br />To: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>>, Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>><br />Cc: Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div><div dir="auto" style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">It's actually just a Policy Manual rule of our own making, not a By-Law of the delegates:<br />
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<div dir="auto" style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">Our entire operation here in the LP is not minor league compared to the Goliath's we need to defeat to secure Liberty. The Devo Department is the lifeblood of the operation and needs serious expansion. Nothing can get done without it, and we have been seriously under-staffed for a very long time. <br />
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<div dir="auto" style="direction:ltr;margin:0;padding:0;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">This is an opportunity to build a new Devo program from the ground up, and we need a lot more than to just replace one employee to get it going. We need to hire a team that can bring in revenue that for too long we have pessimistically and very wrongly been convinced is not available for us to ask for. People care about what we are doing and it takes a lot of work to convince them what we are doing is working and that they should get on board and help. More than one or two employees, or the Chairman, can do on their own.<br />
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</div></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <b dir="auto">Caryn Ann Harlos</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:25 PM<br />To: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>><br />Cc: Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div><div dir="auto">Then I misunderstood you. And all I am saying is there evidence of above and beyond fundraising? All chairs should have what you described. I looked through past chair reports and I don’t see anything equal to a Lauren. A chair comes in to support the professional who is prohibited from the internal politics.</div></div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">If Nick is too busy, he can remember he has actual officers including a VC and as you say, a Secretary who has gone above and beyond in one area of fundraising. Alex isn’t a gavel warmer and I’m not a minutes maid. I don’t know Tim we’ll enough to know if he wishes to be more involved.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">I’ll look into those historical situations.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">But we historically disaffiliated Oregon too. </div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">If a big thing is iffy, it is no, and goes to the delegates. </div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <b dir="auto">Caryn Ann Harlos</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:28 PM<br />To: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>><br />Cc: Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div><div dir="auto">How much will you charge Jeff?</div></div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Rhetorical question.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Yes we need a team. Seems to me Lauren was saying that for a few years.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">We screwed up bad by losing her and this is just wallpapering the damage.</div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:34 PM<br />To: Jeff Lyons <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>><br />Cc: Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>>, Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr">Thank you for the policy manual quote. I'm not sure employee as used in this section covers independent contractors, for example those working on commission and not expected to relocate to work in LPHQ if they don't already live in the DC area. If it does, it must have been put in the policy manual subsequent to the 2012-4 term, or we were in gross violation of it as a committee. I'll leave it to greater bylaws, policy manual and Roberts Rules experts than myself to figure which of these is the correct explanation, or if there is another one I have not thought of yet which is more applicable. <br /></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:41 PM<br />To: Jeff Lyons <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br /></div><br /><div class="elided-text"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 4:22 PM Jeff Lyons <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>> wrote:</div><div dir="ltr"><br /></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="auto" style="direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black"><br />
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<div dir="auto" style="direction:ltr;margin:0px;padding:0px;font-family:sans-serif;font-size:11pt;color:black">I'm spending my summer working in Development. I'm happy to offer my personal experiences with anyone who is curious about how a successful development operation is maintained.<br />
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<div class="elided-text"><div>P) By all means - would love to hear them. I'd like to apply them to the state party, among other things. <br /></div><div><br /></div><div>-paulie<br /></div>
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<br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <b dir="auto">Caryn Ann Harlos</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 5:02 PM<br />To: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>><br />Cc: Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, Jeff Lyons <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div><div dir="auto">Wait for Mattson. She’ll know.</div></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 5:18 PM<br />To: Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>>, Alicia Mattson <<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com">agmattson@gmail.com</a>><br />Cc: Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, Jeff Lyons <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Good suggestion, thank you. Not copied til this point, now CCed. <br /></div></div>
<br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <b dir="auto">Caryn Ann Harlos</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 5:48 PM<br />To: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>><br />Cc: Alicia Mattson <<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com">agmattson@gmail.com</a>>, Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, Jeff Lyons <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div><div dir="auto">She will need the whole discussion.</div></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 5:56 PM<br />To: Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>><br />Cc: Alicia Mattson <<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com">agmattson@gmail.com</a>>, Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, Jeff Lyons <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr">It's copied in the response chain. If there is anything I missed please feel free to forward. If you feel any of it belongs on LNC list please feel free to post it there too, as I said before. <br /></div><br /><br /><div dir="ltr" style="color:#888">----------<br />From: <b dir="auto">Caryn Ann Harlos</b> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>></span><br />Date: Fri, Jul 5, 2019 at 5:59 PM<br />To: <<a href="mailto:travellingcircus@gmail.com">travellingcircus@gmail.com</a>><br />Cc: Alicia Mattson <<a href="mailto:agmattson@gmail.com">agmattson@gmail.com</a>>, Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>, Jeff Lyons <<a href="mailto:jeff.lyons@lp.org">jeff.lyons@lp.org</a>>, John Phillips <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>>, Nicholas Sarwark <<a href="mailto:nsarwark@gmail.com">nsarwark@gmail.com</a>>, <<a href="mailto:alex.merced@lp.org">alex.merced@lp.org</a>>, <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>><br /></div><br /><br /><div><div dir="auto">Alrighty, I’m just not posting more tonight there.</div></div><br /><br /></div></div>
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