<div dir='auto'>While I can certainly see where the comment directed at Alternate Sexton crossed a line, I also think some of the response to it did as well. "Fault" isnt always a one way street. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">To the matter at hand, after reading the most recent email from Mr. Fishman I am not anymore comfortable with this current decision nor the perceived circumstances surrounding this hire. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Im disgusted by the recent chain of events and flabbergasted that I seem to be in the minority in feeling so. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 28, 2019 9:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'verdana' , 'geneva' , sans-serif">
<p>Erin, I agree. I would suggest though, that someone speak to our LNC secretary about attacks on LNC members on this list. If she hadn't gone and lobbed rudeness at Paige Sexton, there would be no exchange. I'm not going to stand by why an LNC member does that, nor be silenced when it happens. This is a pattern, and the beginning has a source. </p>
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<div dir="auto">I would very much like to get back to the topic of this discussion and perhaps handle personal disagreements in another email chain.
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<p dir="ltr">Take it to the proper channels. Thank you. <br /> <br /> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:58 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> <br /> wrote: <br /> <br /> > I thought you were going to stop replying to me? : ) <br /> > --- <br /> > Elizabeth Van Horn <br /> > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) <br /> > <br /> > On 2019-10-28 03:53, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: <br /> > <br /> > Take it to the proper channels. Thank you. <br /> > <br /> > *In Liberty,* <br /> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome <br /> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal <br /> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone <br /> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux <br /> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * <br /> > <br /> > <br /> > On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:19 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> <br /> > wrote: <br /> > <br /> >> Once again, your commentary on my medical condition is unwelcome. Please <br /> >> stop. Forward whatever you wish to whomever you wish. After our <br /> >> conversation, I was advised to seek legal representation if you initiated <br /> >> it again. I would be more than glad to have our correspondence reviewed by <br /> >> Mr. Hall. Your conduct was outrageous and violated the policy manual on <br /> >> maligning a disability. If you wish to continue this conversation, take it <br /> >> to the proper channels. You are dangerously out of line. <br /> >> <br /> >> *In Liberty,* <br /> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome <br /> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal <br /> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone <br /> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux <br /> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * <br /> >> <br /> >> <br /> >> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:12 AM Elizabeth Van Horn < <br /> >> elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote: <br /> >> <br /> >>> You initiated conversation by sending me a private message. I replied <br /> >>> with a link to information. (which you rejected) I also explained about <br /> >>> my decades of experience with those you're on the Autism Spectrum <br /> >>> Disorder. My reply to you wasn't inflammatory. <br /> >>> <br /> >>> You replied to me with false accusations, threats and insults. I then <br /> >>> notified our Chair and advised that I was thinking of filing a formal <br /> >>> complaint. That I wanted our legal counsel to be aware. I've showed <br /> >>> no-one our communication. But, I'd be happy to. <br /> >>> <br /> >>> You accuse others of your own behavior. Thank you for illustrating that <br /> >>> behavior. <br /> >>> <br /> >>> Regarding Paige Sexton, if doesn't matter if she can speak for herself. <br /> >>> I'm speaking out, as I think it's necessary. <br /> >>> <br /> >>> <br /> >>> Elizabeth Van Horn <br /> >>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) <br /> >>> <br /> >>> <br /> >>> On 2019-10-28 01:32, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: <br /> >>> <br /> >>> EVH - Ms Sexton can speak for herself. You and I already had a private <br /> >>> conversation about my medical condition and I told you in no uncertain <br /> >>> terms to never mention it again due to your inflammatory comments. <br /> >>> <br /> >>> I'm not interested in your policing. You have been told over the years <br /> >>> that you are beyond rude so take your own advice. <br /> >>> <br /> >>> I welcome a discussion with Ms Sexton. I'm not holding my breath for you <br /> >>> to discuss the actual issues rather than a tangent. I will not respond <br /> >>> further to your faux outrage. <br /> >>> <br /> >>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 11:23 PM Elizabeth Van Horn < <br /> >>> elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote: <br /> >>> <br /> >>>> Well, Caryn Ann, you should be interested in being civil to your fellow <br /> >>>> LNC members. You're the person who has as a signature line: <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> "...If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some <br /> >>>> other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. <br /> >>>> *" <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> Yet, we're under no obligation to contact you privately, if you're <br /> >>>> publicly being rude. <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> Your lack of interest in the opinions of others is noted though. <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> --- <br /> >>>> Elizabeth Van Horn <br /> >>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> On 2019-10-28 01:14, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote: <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> Not interested in your policing. <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 11:08 PM Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business < <br /> >>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>>> (uncalled is supposed to be 'uncalled for') <br /> >>>>> <br /> >>>>> <br /> >>>>> --- <br /> >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn <br /> >>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) <br /> >>>>> Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana <br /> >>>>> Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus <br /> >>>>> http://www.lpcaucus.org/ <br /> >>>>> <br /> >>>>> On 2019-10-28 01:04, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business wrote: <br /> >>>>> > IF you just asked a question, there wouldn't have been a concern. <br /> >>>>> > But, you went way beyond that. <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > You wrote: <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > "Ms. Sexton, you represent a region. Have you discussed this seeming <br /> >>>>> > approval over the heads of the LNC with Nr. Nekhaila and your <br /> >>>>> region?" <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > --> [Ok, so far. Although, you don't need to ask Paige Sexton about <br /> >>>>> > her region, all she did was say, "Sounds good. I'm excited to see <br /> >>>>> what <br /> >>>>> > she brings to the table." AFTER asking the same type of question <br /> >>>>> > you'd asked. She wasn't out of line at all.] <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > You wrote: <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > "I doubt it." <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > --> [Uncalled.] <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > You wrote: <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > "The LNC is privy to concerns brought up by a group of LNC members <br /> >>>>> > outside <br /> >>>>> > this list for resolution. Combine that with this, and silence or <br /> >>>>> > approval <br /> >>>>> > speaks volume." <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > --> [Has nothing to do with Paige's comment. She made an innocuous <br /> >>>>> > comment.] <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > You wrote: <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > "I've not said a word outside us. I've not said a word on social <br /> >>>>> > media. <br /> >>>>> > Clean your house." <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > --> [Rude, unrelated, and uncalled harassing of Paige Sexton.] <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > __________________________________________________________ <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > Caryn Ann, you don't get to be rude to fellow LNC members on this <br /> >>>>> > list, and expect us to take our concerns to private with you. IF <br /> >>>>> > you're doing it public, we can voice our concerns publicly. Your <br /> >>>>> > reply to Paige Sexton was rude. If multiple people are telling you <br /> >>>>> > this, perhaps you might consider listening. <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > --- <br /> >>>>> > Elizabeth Van Horn <br /> >>>>> > LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY) <br /> >>>>> > Chair-Libertarian Party of Madison Co, Indiana <br /> >>>>> > Vice-Chair Libertarian Pragmatist Caucus <br /> >>>>> > http://www.lpcaucus.org/ <br /> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> > On 2019-10-27 22:17, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: <br /> >>>>> >> Asking a question is not rude. The holy hall monitor routine is <br /> >>>>> old. <br /> >>>>> >> We <br /> >>>>> >> are adults who don't need safe spaces. <br /> >>>>> >> <br /> >>>>> >> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 8:08 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <br /> >>>>> >> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> <br /> >>>>> >> wrote: <br /> >>>>> >> <br /> >>>>> >>> Our feelings were clear. I guess we can't now rely on good faith <br /> >>>>> and <br /> >>>>> >>> have <br /> >>>>> >>> to codify everything? <br /> >>>>> >>> <br /> >>>>> >>> What a joke. <br /> >>>>> >>> <br /> >>>>> >>> STRONG OBJECTION was made. The fact that this was done without <br /> >>>>> >>> pre-warning and I had to ASK about the lack of Libertarian bona <br /> >>>>> fides <br /> >>>>> >>> is <br /> >>>>> >>> disturbing. <br /> >>>>> >>> <br /> >>>>> >>> The Libertarian swamp stinketh. <br /> >>>>> >>> <br /> >>>>> >>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:59 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <br /> >>>>> >>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> <br /> >>>>> >>> wrote: <br /> >>>>> >>> <br /> >>>>> >>>> I'd like to see that as well. <br /> >>>>> >>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>> But no I was referring to the the concern letters which pre-date <br /> >>>>> >>>> this and <br /> >>>>> >>>> already show Weld's fingers in our pie. <br /> >>>>> >>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>> Which met with silence from the rest of the LNC. <br /> >>>>> >>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>> Welcome to the new party. The same as the old parties. <br /> >>>>> >>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 7:44 PM Joe Bishop-Henchman via <br /> >>>>> Lnc-business <br /> >>>>> >>>> < <br /> >>>>> >>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote: <br /> >>>>> >>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>>> My last "Agree" should be "No comment," as I mistakenly thought <br /> >>>>> it <br /> >>>>> >>>>> referred to the offer letter. <br /> >>>>> >>>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>>> JBH <br /> >>>>> >>>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>>> ------------ <br /> >>>>> >>>>> Joe Bishop-Henchman <br /> >>>>> >>>>> LNC Member (At-Large) <br /> >>>>> >>>>> joe.bishop-henchman@lp.org <br /> >>>>> >>>>> www.facebook.com/groups/189510455174837 <br /> >>>>> >>>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>>> On 2019-10-27 21:39, Joe Bishop-Henchman via Lnc-business wrote: <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > On 2019-10-27 21:36, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote: <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> It was not a formal directive. I will get the video. Our <br /> >>>>> feelings <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> were <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> clear and were now just trampled underfoot. <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > Disagree. <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> And a nationwide search results in a Massachusetts insider <br /> >>>>> with not <br /> >>>>> >>>>> so <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> much <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> experience, not a Libertarian, and my gut tells me is <br /> >>>>> connected to <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> Weld. <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > Agree. <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> This stinks of a huge Weld set up to be back with more phones <br /> >>>>> >>>>> promises <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> of <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> big donations. <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > Disagree. <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> Considering this development and the lack of objection by any <br /> >>>>> LNC <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> member to <br /> >>>>> >>>>> >> make the prior letter public, it is time to make it public. <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > <br /> >>>>> >>>>> > Agree. <br /> >>>>> >>>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>> -- <br /> >>>>> >>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>> *In Liberty,* <br /> >>>>> >>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's <br /> >>>>> >>>> Syndrome <br /> >>>>> >>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal <br /> >>>>> >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If <br /> >>>>> >>>> anyone <br /> >>>>> >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other <br /> >>>>> social <br /> >>>>> >>>> faux <br /> >>>>> >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * <br /> >>>>> >>>> <br /> >>>>> >>>> -- <br /> >>>>> >>> <br /> >>>>> >>> *In Liberty,* <br /> >>>>> >>> <br /> >>>>> >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's <br /> >>>>> >>> Syndrome <br /> >>>>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal <br /> >>>>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If <br /> >>>>> >>> anyone <br /> >>>>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other <br /> >>>>> social <br /> >>>>> >>> faux <br /> >>>>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * <br /> >>>>> >>> <br /> >>>>> >>> -- <br /> >>>>> >> <br /> >>>>> >> *In Liberty,* <br /> >>>>> >> <br /> >>>>> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's <br /> >>>>> Syndrome <br /> >>>>> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal <br /> >>>>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If <br /> >>>>> >> anyone <br /> >>>>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other <br /> >>>>> social <br /> >>>>> >> faux <br /> >>>>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> -- <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> *In Liberty,* <br /> >>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome <br /> >>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal <br /> >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone <br /> >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux <br /> >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> <br /> >>>> -- <br /> >>> <br /> >>> *In Liberty,* <br /> >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome <br /> >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal <br /> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone <br /> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux <br /> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * <br /> >>> <br /> >>> <br /> >>> -- <br /> <br /> *In Liberty,* <br /> <br /> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome <br /> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal <br /> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone <br /> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux <br /> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. * </p>
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