<div dir='auto'>Agreed. Making MULTIPLE requests via this list is sufficient. Period<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Erin Adams Region 7 alt.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 29, 2019 2:52 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">And I’m curious about the choice of words “proposed contract.”
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Is it final and signed or not?
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On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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> Why is a request on the list - which is public - not sufficient?
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> This seems like gamesmanship.
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> This list is read by all the involved parties.
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> This is my request for that contract.
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> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 1:41 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
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> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> Did either of you contact the Executive Director to ask for a copy of the
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>> proposed contract? If not, I would recommend that procedure.
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>> Yours truly,
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>> Nick
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>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 3:20 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
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>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> > I am noticing that there is selective ignoring of requests.
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>> > I will remind the ED and Chair that playing favorites on requests is
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>> beyond
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>> > inappropriate.
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>> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 12:46 PM Erin Adams <erin.adams@lp.org> wrote:
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>> > > Again I want to go on record as objecting to deletions of posts here
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>> and
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>> > > enter a new objection about the thread being made private from our
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>> > members
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>> > > On Oct 29, 2019 10:42 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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>> > > wrote:
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>> > > Thank you. Then that is irrelevant to this issue at that time. It
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>> may
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>> > > explain why Larry did something so out of character.
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>> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:25 AM Erin Adams <erin.adams@lp.org> wrote:
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>> > > I can answer that ish. I dont have exact dates in front of me however
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>> I
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>> > > was party to the early attempt to reach out to Mr
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>> > > Sharpe concerning this position by Mr. Smith. I had been told quite
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>> some
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>> > > time BEFORE the podcast that conversation concerning this position
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>> > between
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>> > > Mr. Fishman and Mr. Sharpe had not been fruitful, that Mr. Fishman
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>> made
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>> > the
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>> > > job seem "unappealing"
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>> > >
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>> > > On Oct 29, 2019 9:38 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
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>> > > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> > >
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>> > > Thank you. Mr Fishman, was is the he timing of that in relation to
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>> the
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>> > > determination this would not work out.
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>> > >
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>> > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 8:27 AM Justin O'Donnell <
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>> justin.odonnell@lp.org
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>> > >
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>> > > wrote:
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>> > >
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>> > > > The date of that Podcast, and Larry's remarks, was October 7th.
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>> > > >
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>> > > > ---
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>> > > > Yours in Liberty,
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>> > > >
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>> > > > Justin O'Donnell
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>> > > > LNC Region 8 Representative
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>> > > > Candidate for US Senate, NH
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>> > > > www.justinodonnell.me
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>> > > > www.odonnell2020.com
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>> > > >
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>> > > > Renew your membership today at
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>> https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod !
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>> > > >
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>> > > > On 2019-10-29 10:19, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
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>> > > > > What was the timing of that podcast?
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > > I’m aghast at how Mr. Chastain has been treated. However, it’s
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>> > > > > not fair to use an event after the fact as a reason for denial in
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>> > > > > favour of a nonParty member without the requisite experience.
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > > And I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face. We HAD a great DD and
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>> > > > > did nothing to keep her.
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 7:54 AM Justin O'Donnell via Lnc-business
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>> > > > > <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> > > > >> I'm just curious, has Larry Sharpe apologized or walked back the
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>> > > > >> comments he recently made on his "Sharpe Way " Podcast attacking
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>> > > > >> some of
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>> > > > >> the LNC's larger donors calling them out by name, and insulting
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>> > > > >> them,
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>> > > > >> calling them "bullies" and such because they wouldn't donate to
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>> his
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>> > > > >> or
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>> > > > >> Maj Toure's campaigns?
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>> > > > >>
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>> > > > >> Larry may have ran a great campaign, but I believe he's smart
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>> enough
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>> > > > >> to
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>> > > > >> not have publicly trashed our donors if he actually wanted the
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>> > > > >> position
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>> > > > >> as Development Director, as opposed to pitching to redefine the
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>> > > > >> position's scope to include public appearances that would utilize
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>> > > > >> Party
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>> > > > >> Resources to promote Larry Sharpe.
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>> > > > >>
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>> > > > >> Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of Larry, and think he largely does
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>> > > > >> great
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>> > > > >> work for the movement, but publicly insulting LNC Donors is
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>> > > > >> something he
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>> > > > >> shouldn't have done if he wanted to give the impression that He
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>> > > > >> would
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>> > > > >> have been a good fit for this position.
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>> > > > >>
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>> > > > >> ---
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>> > > > >> Yours in Liberty,
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>> > > > >>
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>> > > > >> Justin O'Donnell
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>> > > > >> LNC Region 8 Representative
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>> > > > >> Candidate for US Senate, NH
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>> > > > >> www.justinodonnell.me [1]
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>> > > > >> www.odonnell2020.com [2]
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>> > > > >>
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>> > > > >> Renew your membership today at
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>> > https://www.lp.org/wethepeople/?f=jod
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>> > > > >> !
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>> > > > >>
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>> > > > >> On 2019-10-28 12:31, Joshua Smith via Lnc-business wrote:
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>> > > > >>> I find it hard to believe that you were worried that someone who
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>> > > > >> quite
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>> > > > >>> literally trains C level executives as his profession would not
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>> > > > >>> understand the nuts and bolts of development and team building.
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>> Or
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>> > > > >>> fundraising for that matter. Especially considering the amount
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>> of
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>> > > > >>> money he was able to raise in his race. Much of which came
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>> > > > >> directly
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>> > > > >>> from his face to face time with donors.
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>> > > > >>>
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>> > > > >>> Larry was able to train tons of people to be better campaign
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>> > > > >>> volunteers, and amassed quite an amazing team during his
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>> > > > >> Gubernatorial
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>> > > > >>> campaign.
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>> > > > >>>
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>> > > > >>> He is a born leader with a huge national following and donors on
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>> > > > >> speed
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>> > > > >>> dial.
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>> > > > >>>
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>> > > > >>> I am very upset to hear that he was passed over for someone that
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>> > > > >>> hasn't put any time in to building our party, or building
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>> > > > >>> relationships with our donors.
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>> > > > >>>
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>> > > > >>> I agree that this needs to have time on the schedule for the LNC
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>> > > > >>> meeting.
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>> > > > >>>
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>> > > > >>> -Joshua
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>> > > > >>>
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>> > > > >>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:26 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business
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>> > > > >>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> > > > >>>
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>> > > > >>>> EVH. We are not familiar and I request you stick to
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>> formalities.
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>> > > > >>>> You are
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>> > > > >>>> completely out of bounds and are no expert. And telling
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>> someone
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>> > > > >> to
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>> > > > >>>> not
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>> > > > >>>> exercise their rights is also out of bounds.
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>> > > > >>>>
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>> > > > >>>> I want no further interaction with you on this topic.
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>> > > > >>>>
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>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:49 AM Elizabeth Van Horn
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>> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org>
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>> > > > >>>> wrote:
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>> > > > >>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> Caryn Ann, as I stated in my reply to your private email back
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>> in
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>> > > > >>>> July, one
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>> > > > >>>>> of my sons was diagnosed with an Autistic Spectrum Disorder in
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>> > > > >> 4th
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>> > > > >>>> grade.
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>> > > > >>>>> (I also have a nephew with moderate to severe autism)
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> I've advocated on behalf of those with autism for decades.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> This exchange is happening because you reacted to someone
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>> > > > >> pointing
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>> > > > >>>> out
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>> > > > >>>>> that you were rude. Yet, you persist with threats and
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>> > > > >>>> accusations.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> If you seriously want guidance, and disregard fellow LNC
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>> members
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>> > > > >>>> pointing
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>> > > > >>>>> out perceived rudeness, than perhaps the guidance you need is
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>> > > > >>>> beyond our
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>> > > > >>>>> ability. You may wish to seek guidance elsewhere.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> Meanwhile, please stop with the threats and accusations.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> ---
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>> > > > >>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
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>> > > > >>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> On 2019-10-28 11:31, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> I will be writing Ms. Sexton privately.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> At the risk of further ridicule, I have autism. I am hyper
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>> > > > >> aware
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>> > > > >>>> that I
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>> > > > >>>>> can be unintentionally blunt. My email signature is a request
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>> > > > >> for
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>> > > > >>>> help.
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>> > > > >>>>> The public bullying and shaming is abusive and if I were a
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>> > > > >>>> statist,
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>> > > > >>>>> completely violative of my "civil rights."
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> There is some serious education needed here about productive
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>> > > > >> ways
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>> > > > >>>> to deal
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>> > > > >>>>> with people with my disability. EVH is completely over the
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>> top
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>> > > > >>>> but Mr.
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>> > > > >>>>> Bishop-Henchman's consistent habit of reading the worst
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>> possible
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>> > > > >>>> intent
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>> > > > >>>>> into things I say is completely prejudicial. I've tried to
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>> talk
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>> > > > >>>> to him
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>> > > > >>>>> privately about it and he ignores every attempt.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> For anyone who cares to be understanding here is some
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>> education.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>
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>> > > > >>>
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>> > > > >>
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>> >
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>> https://www.crisisprevention.com/Blog/September-2012/Tips-for-Interacting-With-People-With-Autism
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>> > > > >>>>> Point number 4 is pertinent in all communication. Number 8 is
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>> > > > >> as
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>> > > > >>>> well.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> https://nationalautismassociation.org/its-not-rude-its-autism/
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>> > > > >>>>> https://researchautism.org/ten-things-autism-isnt/
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> I am not going to stand for this abuse.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> I AM NOT asking to be excused from perceived rudeness. I am
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>> > > > >>>> asking for
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>> > > > >>>>> the perfectly reasonable and ethical accommodation of
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>> guidance.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> And no this is not a threat but I have reached out to a
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>> > > > >>>> disability
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>> > > > >>>>> advocate lawyer. I WILL be treated with the human dignity I
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>> > > > >>>> deserve.
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 9:14 AM Erin Adams <erin.adams@lp.org
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>> >
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>> > > > >>>> wrote:
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> While I can certainly see where the comment directed at
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>> > > > >> Alternate
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>> > > > >>>> Sexton
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>> > > > >>>>>> crossed a line, I also think some of the response to it did
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>> as
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>> > > > >>>> well.
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>> > > > >>>>>> "Fault" isnt always a one way street.
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> To the matter at hand, after reading the most recent email
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>> from
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>> > > > >>>> Mr.
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>> > > > >>>>>> Fishman I am not anymore comfortable with this current
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>> decision
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>> > > > >>>> nor the
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>> > > > >>>>>> perceived circumstances surrounding this hire.
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> Im disgusted by the recent chain of events and flabbergasted
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>> > > > >> that
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>> > > > >>>> I seem
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>> > > > >>>>>> to be in the minority in feeling so.
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 9:37 AM, Elizabeth Van Horn
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>> > > > >>>> <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org>
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>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> Erin, I agree. I would suggest though, that someone speak to
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>> > > > >> our
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>> > > > >>>> LNC
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>> > > > >>>>>> secretary about attacks on LNC members on this list. If she
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>> > > > >>>> hadn't gone
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>> > > > >>>>>> and lobbed rudeness at Paige Sexton, there would be no
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>> > > > >> exchange.
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>> > > > >>>> I'm not
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>> > > > >>>>>> going to stand by why an LNC member does that, nor be
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>> silenced
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>> > > > >>>> when it
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>> > > > >>>>>> happens. This is a pattern, and the beginning has a source.
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>> > > > >>>>>> ---
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>> > > > >>>>>> Elizabeth Van Horn
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>> > > > >>>>>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> On 2019-10-28 09:26, Erin Adams wrote:
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> I would very much like to get back to the topic of this
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>> > > > >>>> discussion and
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>> > > > >>>>>> perhaps handle personal disagreements in another email chain.
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>> > > > >>>>>> The personal back and forth above distracts from the very
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>> > > > >> serious
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>> > > > >>>> issue
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>> > > > >>>>>> at hand imo
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> On Oct 28, 2019 3:13 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
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>> > > > >>>>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> Take it to the proper channels. Thank you.
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 1:58 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
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>> > > > >>>>>> elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org>
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>> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>>
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>> > > > >>>>> --
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>> > > > >>>>
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>> > > > >>>> *In Liberty,*
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>> > > > >>>>
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>> > > > >>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
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>> > > > >>>> Syndrome
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>> > > > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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>> > > > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
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>> If
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>> > > > >>>> anyone
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>> > > > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
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>> > > > >> social
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>> > > > >>>> faux
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>> > > > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>> > > > > --
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > > IN LIBERTY,
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > > __
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > > _ PERSONAL NOTE: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
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>> > Syndrome
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>> > > > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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>> > > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
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>> > > > > anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
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>> other
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>> > > > > social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. _
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > >
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>> > > > > Links:
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>> > > > > ------
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>> > > > > [1] http://www.justinodonnell.me
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>> > > > > [2] http://www.odonnell2020.com
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>> > > >
<br>
>> > > --
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>> > >
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>> > > *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> > >
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>> > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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>> > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> anyone
<br>
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>> > >
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>> > >
<br>
>> > > --
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>> > >
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>> > > *In Liberty,*
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>> > >
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>> > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> anyone
<br>
>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>> > >
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>> > >
<br>
>> > > --
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>> >
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>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>> >
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>>
<br>
> --
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>
<br>
> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>
<br>
> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>
<br>
> --
<br>
<br>
*In Liberty,*
<br>
<br>
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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