<div dir='auto'>If the "blood mob" never stopped denying membership to child predators, I'm perfectly fine with that. That's a good thing, and something this board should be proud to do for the good of our organization. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">-Joshua </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 21, 2019 12:48 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div dir="auto">I respectfully disagree Mr Smith and I ask that you not uncharitably take my position on limitation of power as pussyfooting around child predators. That is highly inappropriate.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">I will never vote for LNC overreach. The delegates can give us this power should they choose to. They have not. Oregon was the reason I ran for the LNC in the first place - a burning opposition to LNC overreach, no matter how well-intentioned.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Be careful what you wish for. The blood mob never stops at just one issue.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">-Caryn Ann </div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">On Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 5:57 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <<a href="mailto:elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org">elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br /></div></div><div><div class="elided-text"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'verdana' , 'geneva' , sans-serif">
<p>Joshua, your emails to this list are getting garbled: <a href="http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2019/055793.html">http://hq.lp.org/pipermail/lnc-business/2019/055793.html<br /><br /><br />(I</a>'m going to forward any email that looks like it's not making it onto the public list, as this conversation needs to be seen. So, try to do a direct reply or something that doesn't obscure your communications. This whole thread, and many started by our ED, end up not seen on the pubic list. An issue we'll need to deal with later.) </p>
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<div dir="auto">You're absolutely wrong Caryn Ann. Most of what we do is governed by the bylaws and policy manual. That which is not is reffered to RONR (I've spoken to Mr. Brown about almost this exact issue, and we are well within our bounds to protect the organization). The Chair has not said anything other than "I think this is not suitable, and don't WANT to return it" which, to be honest, doesn't sit well with me and other members of this board (and I'm sure a large portion of our membership if that's where it needs to go). No one on this board is going to forcibly make me or anyone else associate with child predators. I promise you that. I WILL make this motion, and I guarantee that the chair will not call it out of order. None of us should be pussyfooting around child predators, and I truly hope that you will not either.
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<p>I don't think a motion is needed. <br /><br />Daniel, when you brought this situation to the attention of the LNC, you wrote: "I am inclined to return the check, but I gratefully defer to the LNC." <br /><br />Your inclination was spot-on. Please write, VOID across the check, and return to sender, with a polite note. <br /><br />Also, if you've already done something similar regarding the check, let us know. <br /><br />I appreciate your attention to this sensitive matter. <br /><br />Regards, <br />Elizabeth</p>
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