<div dir='auto'>Did I not suggest earlier postponement until after the holidays? If I forgot to type it out I apologize. I thought I did.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Please do. We are not that time sensitive.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Honestly, the rest of us are at your schedule Caryn Ann, if you ignore your email for a couple days we can't do anything anyway.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Go. Do family things. People won't have anything to respond to then ;)<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 24, 2019 5:38 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">It seems enough agrees for an emeeting including Mr. Smith.
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<br>
If we can get a date set down I can notice the emeeting.
<br>
<br>
I was planning on simply starting the email ballot after Christmas. But
<br>
now there is a point of order over that.
<br>
<br>
I will make myself available for any date.
<br>
<br>
Let’s pick one and move forward.
<br>
<br>
I asked both publicly and privately for this to be paused until after
<br>
Christmas as a courtesy. I am a Christian and don’t wish to be dealing
<br>
with this now.
<br>
<br>
But it appears scoring political points is more important than family or
<br>
courtesy- so once I know which thing to do, I will commence.
<br>
<br>
This is a shameful act of discourteousness to peers.
<br>
<br>
Here is where we stand.
<br>
<br>
The request for an emeeting (which I did interpret thusly as is obvious
<br>
with my comments in that thread that no one bothered to disabuse me of at
<br>
the time) is detective and void.
<br>
<br>
We have a fully sponsored email ballot though I am still unclear as Mr
<br>
Merced appears to have given it taken away and give it again?
<br>
<br>
However there is a point of order pending before I can start that ballot.
<br>
<br>
No one objected to emeeting including the original maker of the email
<br>
request.
<br>
<br>
The simplest way forward is to pick a date.
<br>
<br>
I am in a holding pattern until we either pick a date or the chair rules on
<br>
Mr O’Donnell’s point of order.
<br>
<br>
-Caryn Ann
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 3:54 PM joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business <
<br>
lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Justin,
<br>
>
<br>
> The whole reason for the appeal, and the initial motion is that the rule
<br>
> is not clear cut to some on the board.
<br>
>
<br>
> But you're free to object.
<br>
>
<br>
> I'm not opposed to an E meeting. I said I would support it, but there has
<br>
> been no motion for one as of yet, and there IS a motion to appeal the
<br>
> ruling of the chair. If someone would like to amend the motion to hold the
<br>
> debate and vote over an e meeting. I would be fine with it. As I have
<br>
> stated prior to this.
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> -Joshua
<br>
>
<br>
> On Dec 24, 2019 2:10 PM, "justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business" <
<br>
> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>
<br>
> If we want to be pedantic about forcing an appeal via email, instead of
<br>
> calling an emeeting which qould allow for proper debate, then I'll object
<br>
> to the appeal as being out of order, as the chairs ruling arose out of
<br>
> established rules and operative laws, not judgement, opinion or discretion.
<br>
> As such, under Roberts as explained by Demeter's Manual of Parliamemtary
<br>
> procedure, such an appeal is purely dilatory.
<br>
>
<br>
> "An assembly cannot contravene a bylaws provision by raising an appeal
<br>
> and voting to interpret the provision to mean something different than its
<br>
> clear meaning. If such an appeal is moved, the chair should rule it out of
<br>
> order immediately, without opening it to debate or putting it to a vote."
<br>
> -
<br>
> Demeter, George (1969). *Demeter's Manual of Parliamentary Law and
<br>
> Procedure*, Blue Book, p. 131–132
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> Justin O'Donnell
<br>
> LNC Region 8 Representative
<br>
>
<br>
> On Dec 24, 2019 4:57 PM, "joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business" <
<br>
> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>
<br>
> Again, there has been no motion for an e meeting, and there was already a
<br>
> motion on the table to appeal the ruling of the chair that is being
<br>
> completely ignored.
<br>
>
<br>
> This is now the third time I have stated this motion with the correct
<br>
> amount of support, and according to RONR, I can just call the vote myself
<br>
> if it's not going to be respected. And I am fine with that.
<br>
>
<br>
> If we want a motion to hear the main motion (made by John before the
<br>
> appeal) we can make or amend John's motion after the vote for the appeal to
<br>
> be done over an E Meeting. I would support that, but we have to get back to
<br>
> that motion in the first place. Which I think we really should, and hope
<br>
> that my colleagues will support as well.
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> -Joshua
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> On Dec 24, 2019 1:50 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
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>
<br>
> Mr Merced added his name.
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>
<br>
> The issue now is a tie between emeeting and email ballot. However I think
<br>
> the emerging request is defective as it contains no date.
<br>
>
<br>
> I cannot make that ruling. Thus, I wrote the chair.
<br>
>
<br>
> -Caryn Ann
<br>
>
<br>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 2:46 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
> wrote:
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>
<br>
> There may however be a defect in the emeeting request in that no date
<br>
> specified.
<br>
>
<br>
> I will be writing the chair for guidance today. I will not be dealing
<br>
> with this until after Christmas.
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> - Caryn Ann
<br>
>
<br>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 2:43 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
> wrote:
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>
<br>
> Yes there was Mr Smith.
<br>
>
<br>
> Mr Merced both have enough with your vote so you need to choose which one
<br>
> - sorry
<br>
>
<br>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 2:37 PM <joshua.smith@lp.org> wrote:
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>
<br>
> There was never a motion to hold an E Meeting Mrs. Harlos. There was a
<br>
> motion to appeal the ruling of the chair. I made it. Mr. Nekhaila, Mr.
<br>
> Phillips, and Mr. Merced all seconded. So did Erin Adam's, who you said
<br>
> could not second because of her Alt status. They may have said they are not
<br>
> opposed to an E meeting, but that motion was not made, and there is
<br>
> currently another motion on the table with the required amount of support.
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> Thanks,
<br>
> Joshua
<br>
>
<br>
> On Dec 24, 2019 1:29 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>
<br>
> Well I need clarification on what exactly everyone is sponsoring.
<br>
>
<br>
> And I will not be dealing with it until after Christmas.
<br>
>
<br>
> So a list of names and what they are sponsoring will need to be given to
<br>
> me. It is not my job to guess.
<br>
>
<br>
> I have sponsored an emeeting for the appeal AND the underlying issue but I
<br>
> will add my name to either.
<br>
>
<br>
> The resistance to an emeeting and a rush to email does not look good IMHO.
<br>
> I have yet to hear a good argument as to how email - completely
<br>
> discouraged
<br>
> in RONR - is better. It only favours those who have endless time to write
<br>
> and it provides little more than social media fodder.
<br>
>
<br>
> -Caryn Ann
<br>
>
<br>
> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 2:23 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
>
<br>
> wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
> > To clarify to clear up social media innuendo: yes it was EVH who
<br>
> > unilaterally made it public.
<br>
> >
<br>
> > However she is not to be used as an excuse or scapegoat for everyone who
<br>
> > took it as an open door to throw out all their discretion to the wind
<br>
> and
<br>
> > throw around this name.
<br>
> >
<br>
> > That fault is theirs not EVH.
<br>
> >
<br>
> > -Caryn Ann
<br>
> >
<br>
> > On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 2:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
<br>
> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
> > wrote:
<br>
> >
<br>
> >> Mr. Merced, I need your clarification.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> There are two issues here.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> One is the appeal over email vote.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> The other is the appeal by emeeting.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> Those two seem to me to be mutually exclusive. Which of the two are
<br>
> you
<br>
> >> supporting?
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> -Caryn Ann
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
> faux
<br>
> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 1:40 PM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
> >> Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>> I also support the appeal and the emeeting, this won’t die down till
<br>
> one
<br>
> >>> of these things happen. I do generally echo the thoughts of Regional
<br>
> Reps
<br>
> >>> O’Donnell and Nekhalia on how this overall was handled.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> Alex Merced
<br>
> >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> > On Dec 24, 2019, at 2:25 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > I urge the chair to call an e-meeting.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > I do not agree, but many are now suspecting that this public
<br>
> shameful
<br>
> >>> > display is politically motivated and designed to set up a social
<br>
> media
<br>
> >>> > campaign against our chair.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > I thankfully have little clue what is going on with FB since I have
<br>
> >>> been
<br>
> >>> > avoiding it for a few months now except for very disciplined and
<br>
> >>> limited
<br>
> >>> > sessions.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > My life is better for it.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > Our ED sent this privately. No one LNC member or even several had
<br>
> the
<br>
> >>> > right to make this into a public shitshow without every attempt to
<br>
> >>> avoid.
<br>
> >>> > The lack of judgement is abysmal.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > Discipline for private individuals is private.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > How hard is that to understand?
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > It is not this man that hurt our reputation. It is the reckless
<br>
> acts
<br>
> >>> of a
<br>
> >>> > few that have.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > -Caryn Ann
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > Mr. Nekhaila - we are the Party of individual not collective
<br>
> rights. I
<br>
> >>> > find that collective argument alarming. Who’s next to be
<br>
> sacrificed?
<br>
> >>> The
<br>
> >>> > allegedly tiny percentage of anarchists?
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > Mark my words. You sow the wind, you reap the whirlwind.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >> On Tue, Dec 24, 2019 at 9:45 AM Erin Adams via Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> I support the appeal and the e meeting as long as the e meeting
<br>
> deals
<br>
> >>> >> SPECIFICALLY with what actions are taken concerning a refund and
<br>
> >>> >> "expungement" of membership or not.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> On Dec 24, 2019 10:20 AM, "john.phillips--- via Lnc-business" <
<br>
> >>> >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> As always, a well thought out and thought provoking statement sir.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> John Phillips
<br>
> >>> >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> >>> >> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> On Dec 24, 2019 10:14 AM, Steven Nekhaila <steven.nekhaila@lp.org>
<br>
> >>> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Dear All,
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Between preparations for the holidays and "hell week" coming up in
<br>
> the
<br>
> >>> >> Florida Keys it has already been a busy week, and with the latest
<br>
> >>> >> controversy a troubling past few days.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> I have been giving this issue a lot of thought and it has weighed
<br>
> on
<br>
> >>> me
<br>
> >>> >> as the Chairman of the Libertarian Party of Florida, the last thing
<br>
> I
<br>
> >>> >> want to do is promote an internet lynch mob and attack an
<br>
> individual
<br>
> >>> of
<br>
> >>> >> which I am not his judge nor jury.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> I want to start off by expressing my sheer dissappointment at the
<br>
> >>> >> individuals name becoming public. Here is a man, through whatever
<br>
> >>> >> cascading torrent of events in his life, felt the need to dispatch
<br>
> a
<br>
> >>> >> signed NAP and a $25 check to the Libertarian Party in the hopes
<br>
> that
<br>
> >>> we
<br>
> >>> >> would fight for him in some way or serve as a part of a greater
<br>
> >>> >> political purpose in his life. Or perhaps he's mad at the world and
<br>
> >>> >> thinks we could make it worse, I do not know. Nor do I know the
<br>
> >>> >> circumstances of his case, the only thing I know is the conviction
<br>
> by
<br>
> >>> >> the State. Sex trafficking minors, or pimping 16 year old girls on
<br>
> >>> >> Backpages. That was his crime, and now he is currently
<br>
> incarcerated,
<br>
> >>> his
<br>
> >>> >> name is being spread on social media by an organization he applied
<br>
> >>> for,
<br>
> >>> >> an organization which could have simply turned him down or blindly
<br>
> >>> >> accepted his money.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> It was not the right decision to make this case public,
<br>
> transparency
<br>
> >>> is
<br>
> >>> >> not always our best option and not every member needs a say in
<br>
> every
<br>
> >>> >> decision the LNC makes. Furthermore, does joining the Libertarian
<br>
> >>> Party
<br>
> >>> >> now constitute the fact that your past may be publicly scrutinized
<br>
> and
<br>
> >>> >> remain available on an online list forever with strangers who get
<br>
> to
<br>
> >>> >> debate about your character?
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> I am assuming our Executive Director may be more cautious in the
<br>
> >>> future
<br>
> >>> >> as to bring certain issues to the board, or simply confide with the
<br>
> >>> >> Chair or a few select members on advice before taking action.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Is that the culture we want to set for the board? Where all
<br>
> >>> >> controversial issues become public and a point of contention
<br>
> amongst
<br>
> >>> us
<br>
> >>> >> and our members? I would think not.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Some day, there will be a point where we cannot afford to vet every
<br>
> >>> >> single individual who joins our organization, that point may have
<br>
> >>> >> already passed. However, there does come times when we receive a
<br>
> >>> choice,
<br>
> >>> >> and that choice should be given the full weight of repercussions
<br>
> and
<br>
> >>> >> must not be taken lightly when it does come. Now, the
<br>
> Non-Aggression
<br>
> >>> >> Pledge was designed to distance ourselves from people who do do
<br>
> >>> terrible
<br>
> >>> >> things in our name if/when it does happen, but what if they've
<br>
> already
<br>
> >>> >> done something?
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Now, do we allow this individual, who we have made the center of an
<br>
> >>> >> avoidable feeding frenzy, to join our organization or do we reject
<br>
> his
<br>
> >>> >> membership and/or donation?
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> After much thought into the issue, I must consider who I owe my
<br>
> >>> >> allegiance to, which is the membership. The membership will not
<br>
> >>> benefit
<br>
> >>> >> from one convicted and currently incarcerated man from becoming a
<br>
> >>> member
<br>
> >>> >> at the expense of the organization's reputation, of which directly
<br>
> >>> >> effects the standing of our members. Our reputation is everything,
<br>
> and
<br>
> >>> >> must be protected with care and molded like a great artist. We
<br>
> cannot
<br>
> >>> >> leave our reputation to chance or gossip. We must not allow the
<br>
> Party
<br>
> >>> to
<br>
> >>> >> look weak and allow our membership to suffer because of the
<br>
> >>> consequences
<br>
> >>> >> of the LNC making this public (regardless of what our decision
<br>
> would
<br>
> >>> >> have been). Many members in Florida believe this is a waste of
<br>
> time,
<br>
> >>> and
<br>
> >>> >> I agree. However, to many members, child abuse, despite whatever
<br>
> >>> >> arguments may be made that the acts could have been consensual or
<br>
> that
<br>
> >>> >> they could have been underprivileged, are just excuses to those who
<br>
> >>> hear
<br>
> >>> >> child abuse.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Thus, I have made the decision to co-sponsor the motion on the
<br>
> floor
<br>
> >>> as
<br>
> >>> >> well as join in appealing the ruling of the Chair.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Let is be a lesson to us all.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> In Liberty,
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Steven Nekhaila
<br>
> >>> >> Region 2 Representative
<br>
> >>> >> Libertarian National Committee
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
<br>
> >>> >> "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >>> On 2019-12-24 09:38 AM, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>> I will point out to those weighing whether to object that it was
<br>
> the
<br>
> >>> >>> actions of the chair that set up this ruling.
<br>
> >>> >>>
<br>
> >>> >>> If he had not directed the E.D. to process the application during
<br>
> >>> >>> ongoing discussion there would not yet be a membership to cause
<br>
> his
<br>
> >>> >>> bylaws interpretation.
<br>
> >>> >>>
<br>
> >>> >>> The chair is a very intelligent man, and as such it is my OPINION
<br>
> -
<br>
> >>> >>> not known fact - that he knew this would be the case, and did so
<br>
> >>> >>> intentionally.
<br>
> >>> >>>
<br>
> >>> >>> In my experience, despite his rebuttal that while Rulings of the
<br>
> >>> Chair
<br>
> >>> >>> only coming after a motion being is technically true, it is
<br>
> customary
<br>
> >>> >>> in every board I have worked with to give one, or at least what it
<br>
> >>> >>> would be, when asked. A custom I have witnessed being followed on
<br>
> >>> this
<br>
> >>> >>> board. That custom not being followed here supports supports my
<br>
> >>> >>> opinion in my mind. Not only that, but it is my belief that a
<br>
> ruling
<br>
> >>> >>> could and should have been made at the time it was first brought
<br>
> to
<br>
> >>> >>> us.
<br>
> >>> >>>
<br>
> >>> >>> It is my opinion that we cannot allow this kind of manipulation by
<br>
> >>> the
<br>
> >>> >>> chair to go unchallenged. Even if I believe his motives were
<br>
> good,
<br>
> >>> >>> which I do, I will never be ok with the means. Regardless of how
<br>
> you
<br>
> >>> >>> vote on the original motion itself, I ask that you consider the
<br>
> >>> appeal
<br>
> >>> >>> carefully.
<br>
> >>> >>>
<br>
> >>> >>> This is a large part of my consideration for going ahead with the
<br>
> >>> >>> appeal, as well as my other email. I find the bylaws in this case
<br>
> >>> >>> open to interpretation. I see the merits of both sides. I think
<br>
> that
<br>
> >>> >>> the interpretation that the bylaws specify requirements for the
<br>
> >>> >>> member, not require the party to accept is stronger.
<br>
> >>> >>>
<br>
> >>> >>> I think that as a political party we need to keep the political
<br>
> >>> >>> aspect in mind, as much as it sucks. This could easily be our
<br>
> >>> Epstein
<br>
> >>> >>> moment, do we really want to jump in with both feet?
<br>
> >>> >>>
<br>
> >>> >>> John Phillips
<br>
> >>> >>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> >>> >>> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
> >>> >>>
<br>
> >>> >>>> On Dec 24, 2019 7:57 AM, john.phillips@lp.org wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>
<br>
> >>> >>>> I do not object to that ruling. If we are asking it to be done by
<br>
> >>> >>>> email, email rules should apply.
<br>
> >>> >>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>> John Phillips
<br>
> >>> >>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> >>> >>>> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
> >>> >>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>> On Dec 23, 2019 9:05 PM, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business
<br>
> >>> >>>> <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Mail ballots have a seconding requirement of four cosponsors (or
<br>
> >>> >>>>> the
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Chair), it would make sense that appealing a ruling of the Chair
<br>
> >>> >>>>> by mail
<br>
> >>> >>>>> ballot would require the same number of seconds.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>> You could appeal this interpretation of the rules by the Chair,
<br>
> >>> >>>>> but at some
<br>
> >>> >>>>> point this is going to become absurd.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>> -Nick
<br>
> >>> >>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 9:51 PM joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business
<br>
> <
<br>
> >>> >>>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> It requires one second.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Can you direct me to the section in RONR that says "an appeal
<br>
> to
<br>
> >>> >>>>> the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> ruling of the chair requires 4 seconds"?
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Thanks,
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Joshua
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2019 6:41 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<br>
> >>> >>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> It would require four sponsors in my understanding.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> I would seek the chairs guidance however as that is not my
<br>
> call.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 5:35 PM <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Yes the bylaws limit our power and they should, however I do
<br>
> not
<br>
> >>> >>>>> believe
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> it is being well applied here. Boards exist to handle the
<br>
> >>> >>>>> situations where
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> rules and standard procedures do not quite fit. I believe this
<br>
> >>> >>>>> is one of
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> those cases.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> As I believe the appeal must be seconded I will do so.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> While the order of operations normal in an appeal is difficult
<br>
> >>> >>>>> in an
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> email, it is an issue that I believe is negligible. Mr Sarwark
<br>
> >>> >>>>> is free to
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> speak whenever he chooses, nor do I believe much in the way of
<br>
> >>> >>>>> repetition
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> of the same arguments is needed, though of course I welcome
<br>
> >>> >>>>> anyone to do
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> so. 7 days of time allows ample opportunity.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> I believe I will leave it at that, as I am AGAIN disappointed
<br>
> in
<br>
> >>> >>>>> people's
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> willingness to see the positives of compromise - to be fair
<br>
> much
<br>
> >>> >>>>> of which
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> was not in this group.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> John Phillips
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2019 6:14 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<br>
> >>> >>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Mr. Smith I too received emails with choice words about LNC
<br>
> >>> >>>>> overreach.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> That does not excuse me to treat you or anyone indecorously.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Keeping one’s cool is an important part of leadership.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> I learned that the hard way when I quite literally lost my shit
<br>
> >>> >>>>> at an LPRC
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> convention over this same issue (ie nothing triggers me more
<br>
> >>> >>>>> than harm to
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> children). I felt I was doing the right thing. That I was on
<br>
> >>> >>>>> the side of
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> the angels.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> In retrospect I demonstrated immaturity in treating my peers
<br>
> and
<br>
> >>> >>>>> I’m
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> thoroughly embarrassed by that memory.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Peers and friends don’t treat each other that way. You and I
<br>
> >>> >>>>> are both.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> -Caryn Ann
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 5:05 PM <joshua.smith@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> You'll have to take that characterization up with our
<br>
> membership
<br>
> >>> >>>>> and the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> state chairs I've spoken with. Those words did not come from
<br>
> me.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Thanks,
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Joshua
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2019 4:03 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<br>
> >>> >>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> The order of operations for one. In an e-meeting members can
<br>
> >>> >>>>> attend.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> I ask you to please stop mischaracterizing those who disagree
<br>
> in
<br>
> >>> >>>>> good
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> faith.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> -Caryn Ann
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 4:54 PM <joshua.smith@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> This thing is public and causing a lot of our membership to be
<br>
> >>> >>>>> very upset.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> To the point of lifetime members threatening to ask for refunds
<br>
> >>> >>>>> and to be
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> removed from our membership list. I have fielded call after
<br>
> call
<br>
> >>> >>>>> and
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> message after message today with members upset that we wouldn't
<br>
> >>> >>>>> do
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> something as basic as protect our organization and membership
<br>
> >>> >>>>> from
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> associating with a child predator. Several from state chairs.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> It won't wait till February, and I'm not going to watch TWO
<br>
> >>> >>>>> motions be
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> ignored while some of us are working to represent and protect
<br>
> >>> >>>>> our
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> membership.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> What part of an appeal to the ruling of the chair cannot be
<br>
> >>> >>>>> handled
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> adequately through email?
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> -Joshua
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2019 3:38 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<br>
> >>> >>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> I urge you to get sponsors for electronic meeting or wait until
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Feb.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> appeals cannot be adequately handled by email.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> -Caryn Ann
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 4:23 PM <joshua.smith@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> I'd like to start this email off with a motion appealing the
<br>
> >>> >>>>> ruling of the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> chair.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> There is no bylaw explicitly saying that we HAVE to accept
<br>
> >>> >>>>> someone's
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> contribution. There is also not one stating that we cannot
<br>
> >>> >>>>> return a
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> donation or terminate a membership.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Do we not frequently refer to RONR for things that may not be
<br>
> >>> >>>>> covered in
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> the bylaws like pretty much every other major organization or
<br>
> >>> >>>>> society? If
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> so, this is a dog and pony show, and we have the authority to
<br>
> >>> >>>>> return the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> donation and terminate membership because that's covered on
<br>
> >>> >>>>> pages 643-644,
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> being the first two pages on Discipline in Chapter XX.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> If we must follow those procedures, I will gladly make a motion
<br>
> >>> >>>>> as well to
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> get that started, but I'm first appealing the ruling of the
<br>
> >>> >>>>> chair as there
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> was a motion made by Mr. Phillips with a second.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> In liberty,
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> -Joshua
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Dec 23, 2019 2:13 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> The bylaws limit our power. Just as the constitution was
<br>
> >>> >>>>> supposed to
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> limit
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> the state. They have had many good reasons to violate it - and
<br>
> >>> >>>>> we now see
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> the result.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> I think the mistake you are making is viewing this as about any
<br>
> >>> >>>>> particular
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> person rather than the objective action.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Our dogma and everything about our beliefs anathematizes the
<br>
> act
<br>
> >>> >>>>> of the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> victimization of children. The act can be condemned
<br>
> objectively
<br>
> >>> >>>>> and that
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> is the Party position.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> There are also acts that many of us do in secret that are
<br>
> >>> >>>>> condemned (from
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> minor to major).
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> It is the same way the party doesn’t judge whether someone is
<br>
> >>> >>>>> libertarian
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> enough - only whether a particular belief or act is consistent
<br>
> >>> >>>>> with
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> libertarianism.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> If this were not so, anarchists could theoretically claim the
<br>
> >>> >>>>> pledge as an
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> anarchist blood oath as some have claimed and call everyone
<br>
> else
<br>
> >>> >>>>> a
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> statist.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> That is obviously not the correct path.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> All membership confers is the status of member in minimal
<br>
> >>> >>>>> compliance. It
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> does not declare any person clean.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> We must respect that the delegates knew of these kinds of
<br>
> issues
<br>
> >>> >>>>> for
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> decades and never gave us that power.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> They can choose to do so in Austin.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> I will not grasp power not explicitly given to us. That was my
<br>
> >>> >>>>> raison
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> d’être for being on the LNC to begin with.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> -Caryn Ann
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 2:57 PM <john.phillips@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> That question was a cut and paste from a member.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> I see both sides on this. So I am debating my next step.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> My motion was a compromise one to attempt to reconcile both
<br>
> >>> >>>>> sides.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> I will point out that under the logic presented Hitler and
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Stalin could
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> sign the form and be members were they still alive. So it is
<br>
> >>> >>>>> not the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> weightiest of responses to me, though I will not say it is
<br>
> >>> >>>>> wrong, just
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> carries less weight.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> The question will come, are we a haven for those who prey on
<br>
> >>> >>>>> children?
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Or
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> do we flatly reject those actions?
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> It will also come, do we believe in second chances, and if so
<br>
> >>> >>>>> what must
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> be
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> done to earn that?
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Are we as Libertarians so bound in the dogma of our bylaws
<br>
> >>> >>>>> that we will
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> not look at interpretations to do what is right?
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Those questions will weigh heavily on my soul, and then in
<br>
> >>> >>>>> which
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> priority
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> do I place them?
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> If we are to be a haven for predators, I do not know if I will
<br>
> >>> >>>>> be able
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> to
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> wrap my conscience around that enough to continue to represent
<br>
> >>> >>>>> this
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> party.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> This will take some thought.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> John Phillips
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2019 3:36 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<br>
> >>> >>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Mr. Phillips please allow me to give some history here. The
<br>
> >>> >>>>> pledge WAS
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> never intended to be a gatekeeper to exclude people from the
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Party
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> because
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> as David Nolan said, bad people will lie. While it
<br>
> >>> >>>>> legitimately
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> reflects
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> our beliefs and it is hoped it is signed in sincerity of
<br>
> >>> >>>>> internal
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> beliefs,
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> its purpose was to protect the Party from the government and
<br>
> >>> >>>>> to educate
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> members. Further, if any evil person reformed themselves,
<br>
> >>> >>>>> they could
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> legitimately sign the pledge. I doubt any of us are free from
<br>
> >>> >>>>> past
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> aggression. I have no idea of this individual's current state
<br>
> >>> >>>>> of
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> repentance, but such difficulties are exactly why that was
<br>
> >>> >>>>> never the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> purpose of the pledge as originally intended.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> http://lpedia.org/Libertarian_Membership_Pledge
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Just recently we had a few members calling for the expulsion
<br>
> >>> >>>>> of any
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> parent
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> that spanks their children - that is not a fallacious slippery
<br>
> >>> >>>>> slope, it
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> is
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> one supported with evidence. I am NAPster purist as they
<br>
> >>> >>>>> come, but we
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> are
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> not the judgment throne of God.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br>
> >>> >>>>> If anyone
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
> >>> >>>>> social
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> faux
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 2:21 PM john.phillips--- via
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> I question whether someone who has engaged in child
<br>
> >>> >>>>> prostitution can
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> legitimately sign the NAP. Would we have to accept Jeffrey
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Dahmer or
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Timothy Mcveigh's applications?
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> John Phillips
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2019 2:35 PM, Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Dear All,
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> I'm going to start with the relevant section of the Bylaws,
<br>
> >>> >>>>> since it
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> makes
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> it easier to reference for those reading:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> "ARTICLE 4: MEMBERSHIP
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> 1. Members of the Party shall be those persons who have
<br>
> >>> >>>>> certified in
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> writing
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political
<br>
> >>> >>>>> or social
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> goals.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> 2. The National Committee may offer life memberships, and must
<br>
> >>> >>>>> honor all
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> prior and future life memberships.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> 3. The National Committee may create other levels of
<br>
> >>> >>>>> membership and
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> shall
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> determine the contribution or dues levels for such
<br>
> >>> >>>>> memberships.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> 4. “Sustaining members” are members of the Party who: a.
<br>
> >>> >>>>> During the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> prior
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> twelve months have donated, or have had donated on their
<br>
> >>> >>>>> behalf, an
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> amount
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> of at least $25; or b. Are Life members."
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> The person mentioned in the motion has met the conditions set
<br>
> >>> >>>>> forth in
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> bylaws (Art. 4, Sec. 1 and 4) to be a sustaining member of the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> Libertarian
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Party as of the date that the contribution and attached signed
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> certification were processed.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> It may be in order to refund the person's contribution as part
<br>
> >>> >>>>> of the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> LNC's
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> prerogative to issue directives overriding those of the Chair,
<br>
> >>> >>>>> though it
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> would not be in order if it had the effect of denying that
<br>
> >>> >>>>> person a
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> sustaining membership. Art. 4, Sec. 4 can be read as applying
<br>
> >>> >>>>> by the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> fact
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> of the person making the donation, even if the donation was
<br>
> >>> >>>>> subsequently
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> refunded. That's a somewhat strained reading of it, so it
<br>
> >>> >>>>> would be
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> better
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> if the motion made it clear that it was a refund without a
<br>
> >>> >>>>> change in
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> sustaining
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> membership status.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> The latter half of the motion is out of order as the
<br>
> >>> >>>>> membership
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> application
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> has been processed.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> The mover has the option to rewrite the motion to fit within
<br>
> >>> >>>>> my
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> interpretation of the bylaws outlined above, appeal from the
<br>
> >>> >>>>> ruling of
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Chair, or ask for time on the agenda in February.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Yours truly,
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Nick
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:47 AM john.phillips--- via
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> A point I considered Caryn Ann and Alex, and appreciate. I
<br>
> >>> >>>>> considered
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> it
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> moot as someone else had already made the name public, but
<br>
> >>> >>>>> still had
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> qualms
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> I agree on not using it going forward.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> John Phillips
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> On Dec 23, 2019 7:40 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos
<br>
> >>> >>>>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> I would encourage you to add this to February agenda. The
<br>
> >>> >>>>> chair has
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> indicated that discussion of non-public figures is not
<br>
> >>> >>>>> appropriate for
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> a
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> public list.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> -Caryn Ann
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 5:58 AM john.phillips--- via
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Given that the nature of this is no longer as time
<br>
> >>> >>>>> sensitive, I
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> disagree
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> with the interpretation that it is not a matter we can
<br>
> >>> >>>>> address, as was
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> pointed out no ruling of the chair was officially given, and
<br>
> >>> >>>>> I find
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> situation in general disturbing, I will ask for co-sponsors
<br>
> >>> >>>>> for the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> following motion.
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> "The L.N.C. directs the Executive Director to refund the
<br>
> >>> >>>>> donation of
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> Royce
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> Corley, and further not accept his membership application
<br>
> >>> >>>>> until after
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> the
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> National Convention in May of 2020."
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> This will allow the delegates, if they choose to address it,
<br>
> >>> >>>>> to make a
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> decision either in specific or in general about such
<br>
> >>> >>>>> situations, while
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> addressing the current objections of several members of this
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> >>> >>>>> board and
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> >>> >>>>>>> many
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> >>> >>>>>>>> of the party members currently.
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>> As always I am open to suggestions and motions regarding
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> >>> >>>>> alternative
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> >>> >>>>>>>> wording.
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>> John Phillips
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> >>> >>>>>>>> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
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> >>> >>>>>>>> Cell 217-412-5973
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>> --
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>> *In Liberty,*
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect
<br>
> >>> >>>>> inter-personal
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br>
> >>> >>>>> If
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> >>> >>>>>> anyone
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some
<br>
> >>> >>>>> other social
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> faux
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>
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> >>> >>>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>> --
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br>
> If
<br>
> >>> >>>>> anyone
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
> >>> >>>>> social faux
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> --
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br>
> If
<br>
> >>> >>>>> anyone
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
> >>> >>>>> social faux
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> --
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br>
> If
<br>
> >>> >>>>> anyone
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
> >>> >>>>> social faux
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> --
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br>
> If
<br>
> >>> >>>>> anyone
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
> >>> >>>>> social faux
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> --
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> >>> >>>>> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br>
> If
<br>
> >>> >>>>> anyone
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
> >>> >>>>> social faux
<br>
> >>> >>>>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>>>>>
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> --
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
> anyone
<br>
> >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
> >>> faux
<br>
> >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> --
<br>
> >
<br>
> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >
<br>
> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
> faux
<br>
> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >
<br>
> > --
<br>
>
<br>
> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>
<br>
> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> --
<br>
>
<br>
> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>
<br>
> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>
<br>
> --
<br>
>
<br>
> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>
<br>
> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>
<br>
> --
<br>
>
<br>
> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>
<br>
> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> --
<br>
<br>
*In Liberty,*
<br>
<br>
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
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