<div dir='auto'><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Sorry, should have been more clear - my suggestion was meant to be a suggestion to possibly pass to bylaws.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">As for your question, i believe yes they signed for their dependents. At least One of which is a pet.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ms Mattson was the one who suggested that might not be ok. Mr Fishman confirmed the pets were not listed as members.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The concern is if they are not to be considered members, do we then refund the money for their memberships? Or Do we allow the memberships?<br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I really am not trying to create an issue here, just address one that arose from debate on the other.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly
<br>
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that
<br>
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where
<br>
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of
<br>
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political
<br>
or social goals.
<br>
<br>
When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift [1],
<br>
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a
<br>
member with a link to sign the certification.
<br>
<br>
How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge
<br>
for their dependents?
<br>
<br>
---
<br>
Tim Hagan
<br>
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
<br>
On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.
<br>
>
<br>
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member.
<br>
>
<br>
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership. Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents.
<br>
>
<br>
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made.
<br>
>
<br>
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed.
<br>
>
<br>
> Do we have a direction on this? I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios.
<br>
>
<br>
> John Phillips
<br>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
<br>
<br>
Links:
<br>
------
<br>
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift,
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly
<br>
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that
<br>
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where
<br>
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of
<br>
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political
<br>
or social goals.
<br>
<br>
When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift [1],
<br>
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a
<br>
member with a link to sign the certification.
<br>
<br>
How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge
<br>
for their dependents?
<br>
<br>
---
<br>
Tim Hagan
<br>
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
<br>
On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.
<br>
>
<br>
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member.
<br>
>
<br>
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership. Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents.
<br>
>
<br>
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made.
<br>
>
<br>
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed.
<br>
>
<br>
> Do we have a direction on this? I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios.
<br>
>
<br>
> John Phillips
<br>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
<br>
<br>
Links:
<br>
------
<br>
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift,
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly
<br>
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that
<br>
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where
<br>
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of
<br>
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political
<br>
or social goals.
<br>
<br>
When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift [1],
<br>
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a
<br>
member with a link to sign the certification.
<br>
<br>
How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge
<br>
for their dependents?
<br>
<br>
---
<br>
Tim Hagan
<br>
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
<br>
On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.
<br>
>
<br>
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member.
<br>
>
<br>
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership. Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents.
<br>
>
<br>
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made.
<br>
>
<br>
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed.
<br>
>
<br>
> Do we have a direction on this? I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios.
<br>
>
<br>
> John Phillips
<br>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
<br>
<br>
Links:
<br>
------
<br>
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift,
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly
<br>
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that
<br>
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where
<br>
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of
<br>
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political
<br>
or social goals.
<br>
<br>
When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift [1],
<br>
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a
<br>
member with a link to sign the certification.
<br>
<br>
How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge
<br>
for their dependents?
<br>
<br>
---
<br>
Tim Hagan
<br>
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
<br>
On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.
<br>
>
<br>
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member.
<br>
>
<br>
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership. Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents.
<br>
>
<br>
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made.
<br>
>
<br>
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed.
<br>
>
<br>
> Do we have a direction on this? I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios.
<br>
>
<br>
> John Phillips
<br>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
<br>
<br>
Links:
<br>
------
<br>
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift,
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 10, 2020 1:24 PM, Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">They can be considered Donors (as long as the FEC report properly
<br>
records the source of the contribution), but the Bylaws are clear that
<br>
members are those who signed the certification/pledge. I don't see where
<br>
the Bylaws would allow "dependent" memberships for those incapable of
<br>
certifying that they oppose the initiation of force to achieve political
<br>
or social goals.
<br>
<br>
When gift sustaining memberships are made through www.lp.org/gift [1],
<br>
e-mails are sent to the recipients asking them if they want to become a
<br>
member with a link to sign the certification.
<br>
<br>
How did these people sign up their dependents? Did they sign the pledge
<br>
for their dependents?
<br>
<br>
---
<br>
Tim Hagan
<br>
Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
<br>
On 2020-01-10 10:50, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Concerns regarding memberships of children and others who could not sign the pledge was brought up in our other discussion.
<br>
>
<br>
> Mr Fishman stated that Dulap was not considered a member.
<br>
>
<br>
> Ms Willis has asked if that means she will be getting a refund for his membership. Others have expressed similar questions regarding dependents.
<br>
>
<br>
> Alicia' s point regarding delegate counts is also well made.
<br>
>
<br>
> I hate to bring such a seemingly silly question, but when looking past that the questions of legality and fraud rear their ugly heads making it something that should be addressed.
<br>
>
<br>
> Do we have a direction on this? I previously suggested the possibility of a "dependents" membership for such scenarios.
<br>
>
<br>
> John Phillips
<br>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
<br>
<br>
Links:
<br>
------
<br>
[1] http://www.lp.org/gift,
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div>