<div dir='auto'>Umm Sam? Perhaps you want to read that list again and see how many of those things will be actions taken at convention that could result in a JC jurisdiction issue? Looks like most of it to me.<div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 14, 2020 8:08 PM, Sam Goldstein <sam.goldstein@lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:'verdana' , 'geneva' , sans-serif">
<p>Sorry, but I can't quite figure out where the lack of a JC is going to affect any resolution to this situation. Where would the JC have any jurisdiction per their Bylaws set possible courses of action:</p>
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<p>2. The subject matter jurisdiction of the Judicial Committee is limited to consideration of only those<br />matters expressly identified as follows:<br />a. suspension of affiliate parties (Article 5, Section 6),<br />b. suspension of officers (Article 6, Section 7),<br />c. suspension of National Committee members-at-large (Article 7, Section 5),<br />d. voiding of National Committee decisions (Article 7, Section 12),<br />e. challenges to platform planks (Rule 5, Section 7),<br />f. challenges to Resolutions (Rule 6, Section 2), and<br />g. suspension of Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates (Article 14, Section 5).</p>
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<p>The only possible scenario I can envision is if the LNC decides to reappoint itself in the event we can't have a convention due to government mandate and Section 2d might pertain.</p>
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<p>On 2020-03-14 20:53, john.phillips@lp.org wrote:</p>
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<div dir="auto">Yes it may. I have made that point before.<br /><br />
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<div dir="ltr">I don't like to say I told you so, but the whole "no big deal we don't have a JC" may come to bite us in the ass over this convention. I don't want to be right.<br clear="all" />
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 8:32 PM <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div dir="auto">So that answers the question. So it can be done if the steps are followed.
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<div dir="auto">Whether it should I will leave to others.<br /><br />
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<div class="elided-text">On Mar 14, 2020 6:20 PM, Sam Goldstein <<a href="mailto:sam.goldstein@lp.org">sam.goldstein@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br />
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<p>The delegates in convention can do pretty much whatever they want within the bound of the Bylaws and Roberts. We have had Bylaws and/or Convention Rules that take effect immediately, the change to Approval Voting for At Large and JC at Columbus that turned into a major fiasco, for instance.</p>
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<p>ARTICLE 17: AMENDMENT<br />1. These Bylaws may be amended by a 2/3 vote of the delegates at any Regular Convention.<br />2. Article 3, Section 1, or this Section, shall not be amended by a vote of less than 7/8 of all<br />registered delegates at a Regular Convention.</p>
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<p>On 2020-03-14 17:07, <a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a> wrote:</p>
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<div dir="auto">Thank you for the clarification.
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<div dir="auto">However, they could consider a bylaws change at convention to allow it? </div>
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<div dir="auto">At this point this is low on my things of concern, just engaging in a conversation brought up.<br /><br />
<div dir="auto">John Phillips<br />Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br />Cell 217-412-5973</div>
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<div>On Mar 14, 2020 2:57 PM, Sam Goldstein <<a href="mailto:sam.goldstein@lp.org">sam.goldstein@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br />
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<p>The solution would be a Bylaws change allowing an immediate election of a JC that will hold office until 2022 when the regular cycle would resume. Caryn Ann is correct in that the Bylaws cannot be suspended. We cannot resume the election as unfinished business because all business terminated at the end of the convention, we didn't table it until the next meeting.</p>
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<p>On 2020-03-14 15:46, john.phillips--- via Lnc-business wrote:</p>
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<div dir="auto">I am unsure why it would take a bylaws change?
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<div dir="auto">Could we not just continue the election as unfinished/old business from the last convention?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Not an expert on this as we know, but would seem to be the simplest solution.<br /><br />
<div dir="auto">John Phillips<br />Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br />Cell 217-412-5973</div>
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<div>On Mar 14, 2020 2:28 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br />
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<p dir="ltr">I keep hearing discussions about how we can fix the JC issue this <br /> convention through a suspension of the Rules but the JC is under the Bylaws <br /> not the Rules and Bylaws cannot be suspended. Am I missing something here? <br /> <br /> * In Liberty,* <br /> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome <br /> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal <br /> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone <br /> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux <br /> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me know. *</p>
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