<div dir='auto'>In addition the only action that asks of the actual LNC is to ask the COC to allow some extra time at the beginning. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Though I would think a unified effort to allow for our delegates to have their voice would be nice, so us making the motion as a body would be a good thing, it is of course not required.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2020 4:55 PM, john.phillips@lp.org wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I was unaware that the agenda was only set by bylaws. That is a valid concern. Thank you for pointing it out Caryn Ann.<div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">There is an easy way around that however. We announce that it is our intention to make a motion at the start of business to suspend the rules to bring this subject forward for immediate debate. Then the delegates can decide. Pretty sure they will be in favor, and those not will have their opportunity to debate.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">While the agenda may be set, amount of time I am pretty sure is not, as I sat in and listened to the COC discuss time allotments, including cutting out a VP debate. So we simply announce that we plan to do so, and ask the COC to make a time allowance in the schedule.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">If we have managed to make this other compromise there will be a lot of extra time in the schedule anyway.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Any other issues? As you can see, I am more than willing to work within the bylaws to see this matter addressed.<br /><div dir="auto"><br /><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">John Phillips<br />Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br />Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div></div><div><br /><div class="elided-text">On May 4, 2020 3:12 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Plus John, the LNC has zero authority to modify the agenda. The agenda is in our standing convention rules and only the delegates in convention can modify that. There is not a thing we can do about that. You can hope delegates will do that, but there is no guarantee, and since that is not in the agenda, we cannot instruct the CoC to prepare for that lest we be seen as salting the soup.<div><br /></div><div>A majority (or close to) of LNC members have agreed on a compromise. A compromise means everyone gives up something. If there is no willingness to do so, then this exercise is futile. And that's okay if that is what people want. But without a willingness to compromise, I will not support any revisiting of the decision we made. It was made, let move forward.<br clear="all" /><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="letter-spacing:0.2px"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;letter-spacing:normal"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"> </b></div><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large">In Liberty,</b><br /></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 255 , 0 , 255 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"><i><img src="https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download" width="200" height="41" /></i></b><br /></div><div><i style="font-size:small"><font size="1"><b> Personal Note: </b> I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. </font></i><br /></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="text-align:center"><br /></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br /></div></div><br /><div class="elided-text"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br /></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I won't support that. If this is what we are going to pushing, I will go back to my family life and stick to my original position. <br clear="all" /><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="letter-spacing:0.2px"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;letter-spacing:normal"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"> </b></div><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large">In Liberty,</b><br /></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 255 , 0 , 255 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"><i><img src="https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download" width="200" height="41" /></i></b><br /></div><div><i style="font-size:small"><font size="1"><b> Personal Note: </b> I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. </font></i><br /></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="text-align:center"><br /></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br /></div><br /><div class="elided-text"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:43 PM john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br /></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Agreed Elizabeth. Tho i believe the easiest way to make that happen is making it first thing on the convention agenda. I believe bylaws is working on the language already, and most of us agree on the necessity. <div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Perhaps that is something we could do on Saturday? Motion to "make consideration of bylaws amendment to allow remote participation first item on the agenda"?</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">A few of us were already discussing it, but since you brought it up here ...</div><div dir="auto"><br /><div dir="auto">John Phillips<br />Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br />Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div><div><br /><div class="elided-text">On May 4, 2020 2:27 PM, Elizabeth Van Horn via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I will not support without a hybrid option. If a POTUS/VP nomination
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can be done electronically/remotely. Then so can the other convention
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business.
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This isn't about "everyone gets something they want". It's about not
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On 2020-05-04 13:25, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:
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> I'm actually not sure I'd be willing to support a postponement that doesn't also allow remote participation but I could be swayed if that's what the delegation wants.
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> On May 4, 2020 1:18 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
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>> Tim and Dustin, there is a majority of LNC members now who are willing to
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>> sign on to a different compromise. An all online P/VP election very soon
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>> and an in person convention for everything else in July/august with no
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>> hybrid option. This way everyone gets something of what they want. I am
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>> I hope you will too Tim.
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>> *In Liberty,*
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>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
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>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
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>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 10:51 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
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>>> According to Rule 3 of the Convention Special Rules of Order, delegates
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>>> can be polled individually if a state's vote report is challenged, and
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>>> they must sign computer readable ballots if they're used. There's no
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>>> I listened in on the Bylaws Committee meeting yesterday. They worked on
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>>> an amendment that would allow a hybrid convention. I'd fully support
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>>> what they had at the end of their meeting, and it's very similar to your
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>>> Tim Hagan
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>>> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
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>>> On 2020-05-04 09:34, dustin.nanna--- via Lnc-business wrote:
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>>>> Attached is a rough idea that I had that might satisfy both sides of the
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>>> issue. It was relatively popular with Ohio folks
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>>>> I want to get your guys' thoughts on a hybrid convention. Here's how it
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>>>> As many delegates as possible/want to would meet at a time and place
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>>> best suited and ASAP. They would then authorize emergency bylaws allowing
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>>> remote voting for those with health concerns, compromised family, etc. Each
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>>> delegation chair would make the decision on who would meet the criteria and
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>>> the delegation chair would need to be on site at the physical portion of
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>>> convention. Those voting remote could only vote on things that aren't
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>>> voice. (Such as President, VC, LNC officers and at large, and JC) and would
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>>> do so by email ballot (my only concern here is no secret ballot). The state
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>>> chairs would then tabulate the combined votes and send them to the on site
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