<div dir='auto'><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I'd like to take a second on the email thread to ask the rest of the body to join me in thanking Daniel Hayes and the CoC for the very very hard work they have done to figure out ways for our members to have a fair convention. <div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This committee is not an easy one under normal circumstances, and on any normal day they are spending hours and hours working to ensure the entire LP has something to be proud of. This pandemic has upped those normal hours to most of their time, and they are handling it with style and grace. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Instead of being rude to them, or scapegoating them, we should lift them up, and be there to help them with whatever they need in these trying times. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Any member of the CoC on this thread knows they are welcome to reach out to me at any time with questions or concerns, or also if they need any help. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">From the bottom of my heart, I thank those of you who are putting in the effort to still give the LP a convention. Your work is not going unnoticed. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Your friend in liberty,</div><div dir="auto">Joshua D. Smith </div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On May 4, 2020 9:25 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I appreciate your feedback.
<br>
<br>
*In Liberty,*
<br>
<br>
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 8:20 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org>
<br>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Bringing it to the LNC, with screenshots, and asking us what we thought
<br>
> would've been a better method. (My opinion)
<br>
>
<br>
> Instead of setting the stage for your own interpretation.
<br>
>
<br>
> (No need for a link. I haven't seen the post in question, but given the
<br>
> nature of social media, I'm sure I will.)
<br>
> ---
<br>
> Elizabeth Van Horn
<br>
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
<br>
>
<br>
> On 2020-05-04 08:30, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
> Bringing it to the LNC is the proper channels. If you would like the link
<br>
> I am referring to, I can send it to you privately. Please let me know.
<br>
>
<br>
> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:06 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
<br>
> elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
>> I suggest that you also go through proper channels if you have a
<br>
>> complaint with a fellow LNC member.
<br>
>>
<br>
>> Instead, you've colorfully stated an opinion, which is designed to
<br>
>> influence others to your same thinking.
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>> ---
<br>
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
<br>
>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>> On 2020-05-04 05:53, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
>> > Since this is now the complaint thread, more disturbing developments
<br>
>> > have
<br>
>> > happened. Our chair is now on social media attacking the convention
<br>
>> > committee, particularly the convention committee chair. Some of the
<br>
>> > attacks go beyond typical in-party to allegations of malfeasance. If
<br>
>> > the
<br>
>> > chair has charges against any members of the CoC bring them in a
<br>
>> > dignified
<br>
>> > and proper manner and give them their trial. Don't insinuate things on
<br>
>> > social media. I cannot believe I am even having to say this.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > Daniel Hayes is being thrown under the bus to serve our Chair's
<br>
>> > personal
<br>
>> > agenda. Any LNC member who supports that, after all the work he has
<br>
>> > done
<br>
>> > for our conventions, should be ashamed of themselves. This is
<br>
>> > beyond ridiculous. I guess a sacrificial lamb must be had in order for
<br>
>> > our
<br>
>> > chair to win. It was clear at the end of last meeting that the vote
<br>
>> > was an
<br>
>> > incredible strike to ego, and I will not be silent as Mr. Hayes is
<br>
>> > being
<br>
>> > made the scapegoat. If our chair mistakenly trusted him or the CoC
<br>
>> > that is
<br>
>> > on the chair. The buck stops with him. This is beyond the realm of
<br>
>> > ridiculous at this point. If anyone wants to see the the thread where
<br>
>> > this
<br>
>> > discussion started, email me privately. It is on the thread of a
<br>
>> > private
<br>
>> > member, and I do not wish to expose their personal wall here on a
<br>
>> > public
<br>
>> > list. That member did not ask for that.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > Who else here is willing to throw Daniel Hayes under the bus? I am
<br>
>> > not.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On May 4, 2020 9:25 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I appreciate your feedback.
<br>
<br>
*In Liberty,*
<br>
<br>
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 8:20 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org>
<br>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Bringing it to the LNC, with screenshots, and asking us what we thought
<br>
> would've been a better method. (My opinion)
<br>
>
<br>
> Instead of setting the stage for your own interpretation.
<br>
>
<br>
> (No need for a link. I haven't seen the post in question, but given the
<br>
> nature of social media, I'm sure I will.)
<br>
> ---
<br>
> Elizabeth Van Horn
<br>
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
<br>
>
<br>
> On 2020-05-04 08:30, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
> Bringing it to the LNC is the proper channels. If you would like the link
<br>
> I am referring to, I can send it to you privately. Please let me know.
<br>
>
<br>
> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:06 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
<br>
> elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
>> I suggest that you also go through proper channels if you have a
<br>
>> complaint with a fellow LNC member.
<br>
>>
<br>
>> Instead, you've colorfully stated an opinion, which is designed to
<br>
>> influence others to your same thinking.
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>> ---
<br>
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
<br>
>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>> On 2020-05-04 05:53, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
>> > Since this is now the complaint thread, more disturbing developments
<br>
>> > have
<br>
>> > happened. Our chair is now on social media attacking the convention
<br>
>> > committee, particularly the convention committee chair. Some of the
<br>
>> > attacks go beyond typical in-party to allegations of malfeasance. If
<br>
>> > the
<br>
>> > chair has charges against any members of the CoC bring them in a
<br>
>> > dignified
<br>
>> > and proper manner and give them their trial. Don't insinuate things on
<br>
>> > social media. I cannot believe I am even having to say this.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > Daniel Hayes is being thrown under the bus to serve our Chair's
<br>
>> > personal
<br>
>> > agenda. Any LNC member who supports that, after all the work he has
<br>
>> > done
<br>
>> > for our conventions, should be ashamed of themselves. This is
<br>
>> > beyond ridiculous. I guess a sacrificial lamb must be had in order for
<br>
>> > our
<br>
>> > chair to win. It was clear at the end of last meeting that the vote
<br>
>> > was an
<br>
>> > incredible strike to ego, and I will not be silent as Mr. Hayes is
<br>
>> > being
<br>
>> > made the scapegoat. If our chair mistakenly trusted him or the CoC
<br>
>> > that is
<br>
>> > on the chair. The buck stops with him. This is beyond the realm of
<br>
>> > ridiculous at this point. If anyone wants to see the the thread where
<br>
>> > this
<br>
>> > discussion started, email me privately. It is on the thread of a
<br>
>> > private
<br>
>> > member, and I do not wish to expose their personal wall here on a
<br>
>> > public
<br>
>> > list. That member did not ask for that.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > Who else here is willing to throw Daniel Hayes under the bus? I am
<br>
>> > not.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2020 9:25 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I appreciate your feedback.
<br>
<br>
*In Liberty,*
<br>
<br>
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 8:20 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org>
<br>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Bringing it to the LNC, with screenshots, and asking us what we thought
<br>
> would've been a better method. (My opinion)
<br>
>
<br>
> Instead of setting the stage for your own interpretation.
<br>
>
<br>
> (No need for a link. I haven't seen the post in question, but given the
<br>
> nature of social media, I'm sure I will.)
<br>
> ---
<br>
> Elizabeth Van Horn
<br>
> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
<br>
>
<br>
> On 2020-05-04 08:30, Caryn Ann Harlos wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
> Bringing it to the LNC is the proper channels. If you would like the link
<br>
> I am referring to, I can send it to you privately. Please let me know.
<br>
>
<br>
> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:06 AM Elizabeth Van Horn <
<br>
> elizabeth.vanhorn@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
>> I suggest that you also go through proper channels if you have a
<br>
>> complaint with a fellow LNC member.
<br>
>>
<br>
>> Instead, you've colorfully stated an opinion, which is designed to
<br>
>> influence others to your same thinking.
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>> ---
<br>
>> Elizabeth Van Horn
<br>
>> LNC Region 3 Representative (IN, MI, OH, KY)
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
>> On 2020-05-04 05:53, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
>> > Since this is now the complaint thread, more disturbing developments
<br>
>> > have
<br>
>> > happened. Our chair is now on social media attacking the convention
<br>
>> > committee, particularly the convention committee chair. Some of the
<br>
>> > attacks go beyond typical in-party to allegations of malfeasance. If
<br>
>> > the
<br>
>> > chair has charges against any members of the CoC bring them in a
<br>
>> > dignified
<br>
>> > and proper manner and give them their trial. Don't insinuate things on
<br>
>> > social media. I cannot believe I am even having to say this.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > Daniel Hayes is being thrown under the bus to serve our Chair's
<br>
>> > personal
<br>
>> > agenda. Any LNC member who supports that, after all the work he has
<br>
>> > done
<br>
>> > for our conventions, should be ashamed of themselves. This is
<br>
>> > beyond ridiculous. I guess a sacrificial lamb must be had in order for
<br>
>> > our
<br>
>> > chair to win. It was clear at the end of last meeting that the vote
<br>
>> > was an
<br>
>> > incredible strike to ego, and I will not be silent as Mr. Hayes is
<br>
>> > being
<br>
>> > made the scapegoat. If our chair mistakenly trusted him or the CoC
<br>
>> > that is
<br>
>> > on the chair. The buck stops with him. This is beyond the realm of
<br>
>> > ridiculous at this point. If anyone wants to see the the thread where
<br>
>> > this
<br>
>> > discussion started, email me privately. It is on the thread of a
<br>
>> > private
<br>
>> > member, and I do not wish to expose their personal wall here on a
<br>
>> > public
<br>
>> > list. That member did not ask for that.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > Who else here is willing to throw Daniel Hayes under the bus? I am
<br>
>> > not.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>>
<br>
>>
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div>