<div dir='auto'>Ms Harlos, what personal council has advised me is one of the things I wanted to discuss in executive session, your point is one others are also considering.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 7, 2020 2:41 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I have a question for the body. I believe that the entire LNC is not being
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represented by our general counsel but rather Mr. Sarwark is. Do we have
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any recourse to ask for additional counsel? This is pretty outrageous,
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that I would join in costs if other LNC members felt we needed
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representation due to this usurping of power by our Chair. I have said for
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two years now there are no officers in this party other than our Chair.
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Now there is effectively no LNC. Figureheads would be a promotion.
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*In Liberty,*
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* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
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found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
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pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:35 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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wrote:
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> I too would like to know how the "vast majority" was determined. Our
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> largest affiliate California has instructed the LNC otherwise. Colorado is
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> nothing to sneeze at and there is nothing preventing us from attending.
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>
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> Respect the decision of the LNC. You are presiding officer not overlord.
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> If you insist on putting our general counsel in the untenable position of
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> rendering a parliamentarian opinion, I will be moving that the LNC retain
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> and actual PRP.
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> I do not know what has caused this strange shift of behaviour but this is
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> not the very tempered behaviour of the Chair I have worked with for four
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> years now who knew how to respect the hierarchy in place and accept things
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> he thought were bad decisions. You are free to appeal to the Judicial
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> Committee l like anyone else. You are not free to disregard the LNC and
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> usurp all power to yourself.
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>
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> *In Liberty,*
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>
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> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
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> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
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> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>
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> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:32 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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> wrote:
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>
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>> Our counsel is not a parliamentarian. I am aghast he would offer an
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>> opinion outside his area of speciality. No parliamentarian would render
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>> that opinion. If anyone decided to sue over this, I firmly believe Mr.
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>> Hall would be in danger of malpractice. This LNC is in dereliction of its
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>> duty by not retaining a PRP for that determination. Further, you do not
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>> have authority as Chair to override the decision of the LNC. This has gone
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>> beyond a ridiculous power grab. The LNC has decided. Period.
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>>
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>> *In Liberty,*
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>>
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>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
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>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
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>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>>
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>> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 12:55 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business <
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>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>>
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>>> Nick, how do you intend to demonstrate that it will be "impossible" for a
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>>> "vast majority" of the delegates to travel to a convention in July?
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>>>
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>>> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 1:36 PM Nicholas Sarwark via Lnc-business <
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>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>>>
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>>> > Dear Colleagues,
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>>> >
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>>> > It is my ruling as Chair, and supported by the opinion of the
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>>> Libertarian
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>>> > National Committee's special counsel, Oliver Hall, that “place” in the
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>>> > bylaws can mean a virtual convention in the situation where it is
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>>> > impossible for the vast majority of the selected delegates in the
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>>> party to
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>>> > travel to a physical location.
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>>> >
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>>> > As such, a virtual convention held on Memorial Day weekend would be a
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>>> > proper convention and compliant with the bylaws.
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>>> >
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>>> > Yours in liberty,
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>>> > Nick
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>>> >
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>>> >
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>>> > On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 2:26 PM Whitney Bilyeu via Lnc-business <
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>>> > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>>> >
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>>> > > The COC's job is to plan a convention, in accordance with bylaws.
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>>> The LNC
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>>> > > is responsible for final decisions. No one is being forced to do
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>>> > anything,
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>>> > > especially by the COC. It is not the COC's job to suggest a
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>>> convention
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>>> > plan
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>>> > > that is not in line with bylaws. The COC's job is to put together
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>>> plans,
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>>> > > offer options for the LNC to choose, and make suggestions where
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>>> > applicable.
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>>> > >
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>>> > > The LNC could have moved to change plans at any time...it didn't.
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>>> The LNC
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>>> > > could have voted this past Saturday to do something other than
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>>> > > postpone......It didn't.
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>>> > >
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>>> > > If an LNC member wants something other than an in-person convention,
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>>> in
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>>> > > accordance with bylaws, they should move such. The LNC will
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>>> > > decide.....again.
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>>> > >
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>>> > >
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>>> > >
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>>> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:36 AM BetteRose via Conventions <
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>>> > > conventions@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>>> > >
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>>> > > > I believe it was the LNC that voted for the in person convention.
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>>> The
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>>> > CoC
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>>> > > > may have 'pushed' for that outcome but we didn't make the final
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>>> > decision.
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > My concern is, that as deaths continue to rise we may again have to
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>>> > find
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>>> > > > another venue and move the convention once again. This will be
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>>> hard on
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>>> > > > most of the delegates and won't play well in the press. I see
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>>> that the
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>>> > > > Democrats are already having trouble with that same issue.
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > BetteRose Ryan
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>>> > > > Publisher
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>>> > > > Bent Briar Publishing <http://www.bentbriarbooks.com/>
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > -----Original Message-----
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>>> > > > From: Alicia Mattson via Conventions <conventions@hq.lp.org>
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>>> > > > To: Libertarian National Committee list <lnc-business@hq.lp.org>
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>>> > > > Cc: Alicia Mattson <alicia.mattson@lp.org>; Convention Oversight
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>>> > > > Committee <conventions@hq.lp.org>
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>>> > > > Sent: Sun, May 3, 2020 11:34 pm
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>>> > > > Subject: Re: [COC 2018-20] [Lnc-business] Fwd: Request for LNC
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>>> > > > Consideration
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > Well, I meant to send that to the COC email list, but I was going
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>>> to
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>>> > come
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>>> > > > here and say pretty much the same thing.
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > From this forwarded message below, Valerie Sarwark wrote to us:
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>>> "The
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>>> > > > Convention Oversight Committee is essentially committing
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>>> suppression of
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>>> > > > delegates by attempting to force an in-person convention."
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > Force? Suppression of delegates? Those of differing opinions are
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>>> > > > attempting to achieve their desired result, too. Is that force?
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > We're getting a lot of email these days, and it's easy to skim and
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>>> miss
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>>> > > > details, so I wanted to highlight this. The demonizing of the COC
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>>> is
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>>> > as
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>>> > > > shameful as it is absurd.
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > -Alicia
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 10:28 PM Alicia Mattson <
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>>> alicia.mattson@lp.org>
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>>> > > > wrote:
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > Forwarding for those of you not on the LNC. The rhetoric being
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>>> spewed
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>>> > > > about the COC is becoming more and more outrageous. There was
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>>> quite a
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>>> > > bit
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>>> > > > of it flung around during the Bylaws and Rules Committee meeting
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>>> today
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>>> > as
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>>> > > > well...
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > -Alicia
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
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>>> > > > From: *justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business* <
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>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org>
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>>> > > > Date: Sun, May 3, 2020 at 12:01 PM
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>>> > > > Subject: [Lnc-business] Fwd: Request for LNC Consideration
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>>> > > > To: <lnc-business@hq.lp.org>
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>>> > > > Cc: <justin.odonnell@lp.org>
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > Attached is a letter to the LNC from a Region 8 Member and New
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>>> > Hampshire
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>>> > > > delegate for the LNC's consideration.
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > Justin O'Donnell
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>>> > > > LNC Region 8 Representative
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
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>>> > > > From: Valerie Sarwark
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>>> > > > Date: May 3, 2020 2:55 PM
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>>> > > > Subject: Request for LNC Consideration
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>>> > > > To: Justin.Odonnell@lp.org
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>>> > > > Cc: Pat.Ford@lp.org
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > Justin,
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > As my regional representative, please forward this letter to the
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>>> LNC
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>>> > > > business list.
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > Pat,
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > Thank you for your responsible "no" vote in yesterday's meeting.
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > ****
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>>> > > > Dear Members of the Board,
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>>> > > > I am a delegate to the National Convention representing the state
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>>> of
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>>> > New
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>>> > > > Hampshire. This is the third convention to which I have the great
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>>> > > privilege
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>>> > > > of serving as a delegate.
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>>> > > > I would like you to strongly consider retaining the original
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>>> convention
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>>> > > > dates and move to an electronic business meeting. The nomination of
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>>> > > > presidential ticket and LNC positions should be filled as soon as
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>>> > > possible
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>>> > > > to ensure we have the strongest start to Election Day (which is
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>>> only
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>>> > 180
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>>> > > > days from now).
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>>> > > > The Convention Oversight Committee is essentially committing
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>>> > suppression
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>>> > > > of delegates by attempting to force an in-person convention. The
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>>> > country
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>>> > > is
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>>> > > > in the middle of a pandemic with many states not even open for
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>>> > gatherings
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>>> > > > of over 10 people. The country is in the middle of an economic
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>>> collapse
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>>> > > > with millions unemployed and unable to pay rent. You are now asking
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>>> > these
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>>> > > > people to somehow rearrange their schedules, spend more money and
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>>> > > > potentially put their lives at risk.
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>>> > > > In addition to the financial constraints on many of our delegates
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>>> (the
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>>> > > > majority of which are dues-paying members of the party), you are
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>>> not
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>>> > > > considering those affected by scheduling as far as their children.
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>>> I
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>>> > have
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>>> > > > spent YEARS as active as possible and trying to make the party a
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>>> more
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>>> > > > welcoming place for families. Although both my husband and I have
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>>> been
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>>> > > able
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>>> > > > to work through this time, it seems financially irresponsible to
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>>> drag
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>>> > the
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>>> > > > entire family to a yet-to-be-determined site. With so many that
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>>> are in
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>>> > > the
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>>> > > > same situation (or potentially worse off), would you feel
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>>> comfortable
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>>> > > > asking them to go into debt just so they can have their voices
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>>> heard?
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>>> > > > We’ve all blocked this time. We’re all ready for this meeting. We
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>>> all
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>>> > > want
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>>> > > > to participate but we are now being told that we have to reschedule
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>>> > > > everything within a couple of weeks. We are in the middle of an
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>>> > emergency
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>>> > > > and forcing people to shuffle their schedules, lives, and finances
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>>> > around
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>>> > > > is quite ridiculous. This isn’t about courage or principles. This
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>>> is
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>>> > > about
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>>> > > > doing the best thing for the delegates that represent the party.
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>>> Other
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>>> > > > political meetings with greater participants have already occurred.
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>>> > > > Shouldn’t we show the world that we are serious, considerate,
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>>> > innovative
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>>> > > > and ready to adapt?
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>>> > > > The best choice for some is not the best choice for all. An online
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>>> > > > convention, held Memorial Day weekend, will not exclude delegates.
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>>> You
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>>> > > need
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>>> > > > to consider the right thing to do for ALL of the delegates.
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > Sincerely,
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>>> > > > Valerie A. Sarwark
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > >
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>>> > > > _______________________________________________
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>>> > > > Conventions mailing list
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>>> > > > Conventions@hq.lp.org
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>>> > > > http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/conventions
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>>> > > > _______________________________________________
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>>> > > > Conventions mailing list
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>>> > > > Conventions@hq.lp.org
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>>> > > > http://hq.lp.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/conventions
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>>> > > >
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>>> > >
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>>> >
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>>>
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>>>
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>>> --
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>>> *Whitney Bilyeu*
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>>> Libertarian National Committee
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>>> Region 7 Representative
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>>> 281.433.4966
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>>> LP.ORG
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>>>
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