<div dir='auto'>That is a good solution Caryn Ann, good looking out.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 7, 2020 11:16 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">We can't live without that IMHO. But I do not agree that we cannot know.
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We need to treat each state as a separate election. Then we do know which
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code voters come from each state.
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On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:52 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business <
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> No real support is needed. The only question is if we can live with not
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> being able to know how the states voted.
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> OpaVote support has *eseentially* confirmed they cannot do that.
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> https://www.opavote.com/help/forum?place=msg%2Fopavote-support%2FSj-0QvPGVJw%2FBwhR7C3LAQAJ
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> On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 9:04 PM Steven Nekhaila via Lnc-business <
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> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> > For the price, does Opavote provide any real time support for setup and
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> > voting? Do we foresee that as something that may be required?
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> > In Liberty,
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> > Steven Nekhaila
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> > Region 2 Representative
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> > Libertarian National Committee
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> > Impotentes defendere libertatum non possunt
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> > "Those without power cannot defend freedom"
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> > On 2020-05-05 11:38 AM, Sam Goldstein via Lnc-business wrote:
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> > > Dan,
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> > > I already did that for you:
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> > > Electronic Voting Proposal Using Opavote and Zoom
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> > > Assuming the LNC authorizes a POTUS/VPOTUS nomination process outside
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> > > the normal Bylaws mandates process due to the emergency situation
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> > > created by the pandemic, I would propose the following for the
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> > > nomination of Presidential and Vice-Presidential nominees.
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> > > With adequate notice to credentialed delegates by email (one week)
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> > > the Secretary would set a Zoom meeting for delegates (all muted with
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> > > no video on their side) for nominations and elections.
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> > > During that week credentialed delegates would be assigned a code to
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> > > vote in an Opavote poll to determine which of the announced candidates
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> > > for President and Vice-President of the United States would be
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> > > nominated. No delegate may join in nominating more than one candidate
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> > > for each office. Losing Presidential candidates would be offered an
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> > > opportunity to run in the Vice-Presidential nomination process
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> > > following the conclusion of the Presidential nomination. Any
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> > > candidate garnering at least 30 votes in the poll would be nominated
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> > > on Voting Day
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> > >
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> > > Each nominated Presidential candidate would get 16 minutes for
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> > > nominating speeches from the candidate/supporters. Following
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> > > nominating speeches each credentialed delegated will receive an
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> > > Opavote ballot with a one-time code and will have 15 minutes to vote.
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> > > The Secretary will announce the results of the first ballot and if no
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> > > one gets 50% plus 1 vote we proceed to drop the lowest and those with
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> > > less than 5%. Those dropped would be offered two minutes address the
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> > > delegated through the Zoom meeting if they so choose. The Election
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> > > process would then proceed as at an in-person convention until the
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> > > party has a nominee for President of the United States.
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> > > Following the selection of the Presidential candidates the above
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> > > nomination and voting process would be repeated for Vice-President
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> > > with nominating speeches being limited to 8 minutes.
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> > > OPAVOTE is $90.00 per round of voting for up to 2000 voters.
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> > > ---
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> > > Sam Goldstein, At Large Member
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> > > Libertarian National Committee
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> > > 317-850-0726 Cell
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> > > On 2020-05-05 10:59, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
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> > >> Dear LNC:
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> > >> I am confident that I can solve the technical aspects of the simple
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> > >> process
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> > >> of voting for a President and a Vice President which is IRV, single
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> > >> vote in
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> > >> each round, given 2 weeks notice.
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> > >>
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> > >> I would not use Voatz, which is too complicated for this simple task.
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> > >> We could either use OpaVote, which I am somewhat hesitant about
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> > >> because of
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> > >> a) its reliance on email
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> > >> b) ignores the benefits of voting by states
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> > >>
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> > >> Alternatively we could make use of a publicly visible google
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> > >> spreadsheet
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> > >> where the secretary would record each state's totals as reported. The
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> > >> states could vote as they see fit, but LPHQ would be happy to provide
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> > >> a
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> > >> technological solution (web form) for each state.
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> > >> Bottom line, to enable a technical solution for President and Vice
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> > >> President I would need 2 things
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> > >> 1) The credentials committee to close credentialing a week before the
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> > >> vote.
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> > >> 2) 2 weeks set up and testing
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> > >>
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> > >> Dan
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> > >> ---
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> > >> Daniel Fishman
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> > >> Executive Director
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> > >> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
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> > >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:38 AM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
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> > >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> > >>
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> > >>> Mr. Wendt, you have broken the curse however. I wish I had you as my
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> > >>> alternate when I was regional. My life would have been immeasurably
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> > >>> easier.
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> > >>>
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> > >>> *In Liberty,*
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> > >>>
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> > >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
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> > >>> Syndrome
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> > >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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> > >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
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> > >>> anyone
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> > >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
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> > >>> faux
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> > >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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> > >>> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:31 PM Francis Wendt <francis.wendt@lp.org>
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> > >>> wrote:
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> > >>> > I can only speak for myself and not Ms. Sexton. It is my opinion
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> that
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> > >>> > alternates may have served a distinct purpose when the were
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> > incorporated
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> > >>> > into the bylaws. Debate is relevant, but incomplete, thus I must
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> > >>> > disagree with your assessment. Their purpose is merely a fail-safe
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> > to an
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> > >>> > inoperable LNC. In a word, alternates are insurance.
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> > >>> > Before COVID-19 I had submitted amendments to the Bylaws Committee
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> > >>> > attempt to rectify this situation the proper way with full respect
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> to
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> > >>> > the bylaws, delegates, and history of the party. Now that we are in
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> > the
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> > >>> > environment we are in, I do not believe it is imperative to the
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> > survival
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> > >>> > of the party to consider them this term. You have mused that the
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> > Region
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> > >>> > 1 alternate seat is cursed. My assessment is that it is a factor of
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> > 11
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> > >>> > states of work with little recognition or meaningful voice. I do
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> > >>> > mean any of this as a derogatory statement to any members of this
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> > >>> > committee past or present. It is just the nature of the beast.
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> > >>> >
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> > >>> > My main opinion is that when a custom, rule, or law becomes
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> obsolete
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> > >>> > hindering as the environments change, we must have the personal
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> > courage
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> > >>> > to change that failing into a workable success. I applaud the
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> > members of
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> > >>> > this committee that have done the sincere work to find that
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> > >>> > success in this new, changed environment.
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> > >>> >
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> > >>> > Sincerely,
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> > >>> >
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> > >>> > ---
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> > >>> > FRANCIS WENDT
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> > >>> > LNC Region 1 Alternate
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> > >>> > 406.595.5111
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> > >>> >
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> > >>> > On 2020-05-04 23:08, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
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> > >>> > > To Ms. Sexton and Mr. Wendt - please let me know if the committee
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> > >>> > > done
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> > >>> > > anything to make you feel diminished by your alternate status.
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> > The
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> > >>> > > several comments today made me feel as perhaps we have done
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> > something
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> > >>> > > wrong, and if I have ever made you feel like your voice was
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> > lesser, I
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> > >>> > > apologize. While it is true that you cannot vote as a matter of
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> > right,
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> > >>> > > I
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> > >>> > > also found that debate rights are far more important, and that
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> you
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> > have
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> > >>> > > equal to everyone else on this list.
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> > >>> > >
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> > >>> > > *In Liberty,*
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> > >>> > >
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> > >>> > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
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> > Syndrome
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> > >>> > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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> > >>> > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
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> > anyone
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> > >>> > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
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> > social
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> > >>> > > faux
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> > >>> > > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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> > >>> > >
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> > >>> > > On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:06 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
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> > >>> > > <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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> > >>> > > wrote:
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> > >>> > >> Ms. Sexton, I think the large contours everyone is in agreement
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> > with.
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> > >>> > >> The
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> > >>> > >> "hybrid" option is fully in the delegates hands.
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> > >>> > >>
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> > >>> > >> It is unfortunate that different opinions here have led to slurs
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> > that
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> > >>> > >> amount to accusations of evil on the part of others. I am
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> > learning
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> > >>> > >> the
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> > >>> > >> hard way there are few to no friends in politics. Not even
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> > >>> > >> Libertarian
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> > >>> > >> politics.
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> > >>> > >>
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> > >>> > >> *In Liberty,*
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> > >>> > >>
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> > >>> > >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
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> > Syndrome
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> > >>> > >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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> > >>> > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
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> > >>> > >> anyone
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> > >>> > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
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> > social
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> > >>> > >> faux
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> > >>> > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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> > >>> > >>
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> > >>> > >>
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> > >>> > >>
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> > >>> > >> On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 9:04 PM Victoria Paige Lee via
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> > Lnc-business <
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> > >>> > >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> > >>> > >>
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> > >>> > >>> As a measly alternate I would like to say I agree with this
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> > option. I
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> > >>> > >>> think it may be the best compromise we will be able to have.
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> > >>> > >>>
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> > >>> > >>> V. Paige Sexton BSN,RN
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> > >>> > >>> Region 2 Alternate
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> > >>> > >>> Libertarian National Committee
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> > >>> > >>> 901-390-0578
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> > >>> > >>>
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> > >>> > >>> > On May 4, 2020, at 20:09, joshua.smith--- via Lnc-business <
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> > >>> > >>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> > >>> > >>> >
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> > >>> > >>> > Good afternoon,
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> > >>> > >>> >
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> > >>> > >>> > I want to give notice that myself, Joe Bishop-Henchman, John
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> > >>> Phillips
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> > >>> > >>> Jr., Caryn Ann Harlos, Bill Redpath, Alex Merced, Steven
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> > Nekhaila,
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> > >>> > >>> and
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> > >>> > >>> Richard Longstreth intend to offer and support the following
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> > motion
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> > >>> > >>> to
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> > >>> > >>> amend something previously adopted at the meeting this Saturday
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> > and
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> > >>> > >>> ask
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> > >>> > >>> that it be placed first on the agenda. The motion is as
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> follows:
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> > >>> > >>> >
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> > >>> > >>> > Move to add the following to the end of the motion postponing
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> > our
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> > >>> > >>> regular convention already adopted:
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> > >>> > >>> > "with the exception of the nomination of our Presidential and
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> > >>> > >>> Vice-Presidential candidates which will take place
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> > electronically on
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> > >>> > >>> June
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> > >>> > >>> 6-7 via a method and procedure to be finalized by the LNC prior
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> > to
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> > >>> > >>> May
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> > >>> > >>> 18th. All other business will take place at the previously
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> > adopted
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> > >>> > >>> in-person meeting in accordance to article 10 of The
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> Libertarian
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> > >>> > >>> Party
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> > >>> > >>> Bylaws and Convention Rules."
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> > >>> > >>> >
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> > >>> > >>> > Immediately following adoption of this motion, the LNC shall
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> > take
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> > >>> up
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> > >>> > >>> the procedure with a proposal to be submitted by members of the
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> > >>> > >>> bylaws
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> > >>> > >>> committee prior to this meeting. That procedure will be
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> > submitted to
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> > >>> > >>> the
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> > >>> > >>> LNC as soon as possible prior to the meeting.
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> > >>> > >>> >
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> > >>> > >>> >
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> > >>> > >>> > Your friend in liberty,
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> > >>> > >>> > Joshua D. Smith
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