<div dir='auto'><div>I'm also on the state chairs list and the frustration being expressed is the voting in the test system is *too* centralized, with a stated preference that the votes on everything go through delegation chairs to ensure everyone's vote is counted.<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On May 14, 2020 8:37 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Mr. Nanna, I am reading the state chair's list. It is not presently
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acceptable to them. The shining ray of hope is that they look like they
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are willing to tell us to take our procedure and shove it and work it out
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for themselves. Localization is better in this party too. But the fact
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that the rest of the party is happy with this is a fiction.
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*In Liberty,*
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* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
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found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
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pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 6:23 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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wrote:
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> I disagree with your assessment and that’s okay. Last night’s test caused
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> even more issues and the comments and hostilities over that made me disable
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> Facebook.
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>
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> This online convention scheme is going to create a division far worse than
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> Portland. Ten years from now it will still be going.
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>
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> There is only one thing I know we can do well. Simple ballotting.
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>
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> But whatever happens happens.
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>
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> But I can’t support this gross violation of members rights and trading
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> rights for peace is an abdication.
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> If this suicide route is what the LNC chooses, it has the right to do so.
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> To claim it us for peace is a farce I won’t let go unchallenged.
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> If it happens I will do my best to minimize rights violations that I can
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> by making things smoother.
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>
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> But to sell member rights and call it peace is something you can tell
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> yourself. I can’t.
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> I can only hope states take the bull by the horns and plan to protect
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> their own member rights the best they can.
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>
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> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 5:44 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
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> Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>
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>> I second the exact sentiments from Representative O’Donnell, we should
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>> work to honor the compromise and I will vote against any move towards any
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>> extreme one way or the other.
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>>
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>> With such limited time it’s logistically unclear whether an all online
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>> convention could be sufficiently executed and with ballot access
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>> considerations and uncertainty in Orlando it is unwise to leave the P/VP
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>> nominations to July.
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>>
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>> Let’s honor the compromise, the hostility among this body is becoming too
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>> much of a distraction to members who could otherwise be organizing,
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>> campaigning and doings things other than being frustrated and confused by
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>> the uncertainty those who want either extreme are creating.
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>>
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>> Let’s create certainty for our members by honoring the compromise.
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>>
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>> Alex Merced
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>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
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>>
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>> > On May 14, 2020, at 12:35 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
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>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> >
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>> > I will co-sponsor. I want to give my reasons. The chair is
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>> subverting the
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>> > will of the LNC, and the LNC needs to take back its rightful control of
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>> its
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>> > own decisions. I do not know if I am going to vote for it. But it
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>> needs
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>> > to be heard.
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>> >
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>> > If a concurrent motion is offered to have an acceptable compromise, I
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>> will
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>> > definitely vote for this. But without such I do not know my answer.
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>> But I
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>> > will co-sponsor as a sign of my objection to the usurping of the
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>> authority
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>> > of the LNC by one person.
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>> >
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>> > *In Liberty,*
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>> >
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>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
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>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
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>> faux
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>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>> >
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>> >
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>> >
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>> >> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:28 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
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>> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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>> >> wrote:
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>> >>
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>> >> Mr. Phillips we can concurrently offer the Adams compromise that would
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>> be
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>> >> a ballot that expires concurrently with this one or one day later.
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>> >>
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>> >> *In Liberty,*
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>> >>
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>> >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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>> >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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>> >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
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>> >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
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>> faux
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>> >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >>
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>> >> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:28 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
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>> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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>> >> wrote:
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>> >>
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>> >>> EVH, I think your point has merit. If this motion passes, I
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>> >>> would re-offer the Erin Adams compromise motion or something very
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>> similar
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>> >>> unless someone convinces me that would be unwise.
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>> >>>
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>> >>> From what I hear from what happened tonight - not the things that
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>> will be
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>> >>> fixed with practices - but with the inherent flaws that make this NOT
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>> a
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>> >>> deliberative process and our chair's comments about points of order
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>> and
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>> >>> parliamentary inquiry, I do not believe we can pull this off and
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>> protect
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>> >>> rights. If that is the route the LNC decides to take, I will respect
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>> it
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>> >>> and do my best, but the best at impossible is still impossible.
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>> >>>
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>> >>> But we did commit to a compromise. But our compromise where our chair
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>> >>> has vowed to skuttle it is no compromise. We need one that cannot be
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>> >>> skuttled by the chair. Ms. Adams' compromise is far superior. After
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>> >>> getting some advise, I may be seeking co-sponsors for a concurrent
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>> ballot
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>> >>> with this one to expire after it that would adopt the Adams motion.
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>> >>>
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>> >>> *In Liberty,*
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>> >>>
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>> >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
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>> anyone
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>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
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>> faux
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>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>> >>>
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>> >>>
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>> >>>
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>> >>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:23 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <
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>> >>> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
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>> >>>
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>> >>>> Email ballots do not require four co-sponsors from the winning side.
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>> >>>> The sponsors are like seconds. I have not decided if I am going to
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>> >>>> support this motion, but I am not going to let it get squashed by
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>> >>>> procedure. But you are incorrect on the point of order to begin
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>> with. We
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>> >>>> are not in the same session. That requirement for the winning side
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>> is only
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>> >>>> in the same session. A rescind does not require someone on the
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>> winning
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>> >>>> side. If you need the RONR pages, I can provide them.
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>> *In Liberty,*
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
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>> Syndrome
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>> >>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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>> >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
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>> anyone
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>> >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
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>> faux
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>> >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 9:48 PM justin.odonnell--- via Lnc-business <
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>> >>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> >>>>
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>> >>>>> I object to this motion.
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> The purpose of the compromise we came to was to accomodate ballot
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>> >>>>> access deadlines and the recognition that a July date made doing so
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>> >>>>> impossible or impractical. Ignoring those concerns is irresponsible
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>> and
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>> >>>>> damaging to the Party. Furthermore, we waited too long to make a
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>> decision
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>> >>>>> in the first place, this is on us. We all knew well before last
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>> weekend
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>> >>>>> that Memorial Day in Texas wasn't going to fly in the current
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>> climate, we
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>> >>>>> have noone but ourselves to blame for letting things get to this
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>> point with
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>> >>>>> wishful thinking. Its time to stop acting childish, suck it up, and
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>> make
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>> >>>>> the best of the situation we're in.
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> On parliamentary grounds, a motion to reconsider is required to be
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>> made
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>> >>>>> by a member of the prevailing side, I would argue that an email
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>> ballot
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>> >>>>> requires 4 valid cosponsors, and thus would require 4 members from
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>> the
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>> >>>>> prevailing side to cosponsor in order to be a valid motion.
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> Justin O'Donnell
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>> >>>>> LNC Region 8 Representative
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> On May 13, 2020 11:04 PM, Alicia Mattson via Lnc-business <
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>> >>>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> I ask for email ballot co-sponsors for the following motion to:
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> Rescind in its entirety the motion adopted during the May 9, 2020
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>> LNC
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>> >>>>> meeting, which called for a convention to begin on May 22, 2020 with
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>> >>>>> business conducted online. Instead, in accordance with Bylaw
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>> Article
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>> >>>>> 10.1,
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>> >>>>> the LNC calls an in-person convention to occur during the dates of
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>> July
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>> >>>>> 8-12, 2020 at Rosen Shingle Creek in Orlando, Florida.
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> I know that I was on the losing side of a 13-4 motion on Saturday,
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>> >>>>> however
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>> >>>>> after tonight's train-wreck and the information I learned during
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>> it, I
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>> >>>>> believe that some LNC members from the other side are ready to
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>> change
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>> >>>>> course. If I did not believe that to be the case, I would not offer
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>> >>>>> this
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>> >>>>> motion. To preserve options for the LNC, given the 7-day voting
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>> period
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>> >>>>> for
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>> >>>>> an email ballot, I want to start this motion now so that it can
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>> >>>>> complete by
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>> >>>>> next Wednesday.
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> I will have a LOT to say about this soon, as will others, but my
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>> first
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>> >>>>> focus is getting the co-sponsors. Then we can debate.
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> -Alicia
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> <
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>> >>>>>
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>> http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail
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>> >
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> Virus-free.
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>> >>>>> www.avg.com
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>> >>>>> <
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>> >>>>>
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>> >>>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
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>> --
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>
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> *In Liberty,*
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>
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> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>
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>
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