<div dir='auto'>Reading through all this what I see is that the original denial was fine given the original request. That needs to be made clear.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For the rest I have talked to some people and with what I got sounds like some people need to go revisit my email about sore thumbs ...</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Having said that, further discussion off list is appropriate at this time.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 18, 2020 8:32 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Okay this just took another turn.
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Here is what the PM says:
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Any violation of this policy should be brought to the attention of the
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Chair or the Vice Chair. In response to every complaint, the LNC will take
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prompt and necessary steps to investigate the matter and will protect the
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individual’s confidentiality, as much as possible, recognizing the need to
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thoroughly investigate all complaints.
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Why are you involved here? It is the Chair or Vice Chair that needs to be
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notified and the LNC that investigates. We have no idea what you are on
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about. If there is some complaint, you bringing this to the public list is
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highly inappropriate. Please take this off list and either let us know
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what the heck is going on or have the the chair or vice chair be notified
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and handle. This cloak and dagger stuff does not belong on the LNC list.
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*In Liberty,*
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* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
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(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
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communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
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pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 7:16 AM Daniel Fishman <dan.fishman@lphq.org> wrote:
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> Dear LNC,
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>
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> I call your attention to the Policy Manual Section 2.01 OBLIGATIONS AMONG
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> BOARD MEMBERS AND STAFF
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>
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> In particular to this part of subsection 4:
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>
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> "
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> *In response to every complaint, LNC will take prompt and necessarysteps
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> to investigate the matter and will protect the individual’s
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> confidentiality, as much aspossible, recognizing the need to thoroughly
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> investigate all complaints. LNC will takecorrective and preventative
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> actions where necessary. LNC will not retaliate against anyindividual who
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> in good faith brings a complaint to the attention of LNC or participates in
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> aninvestigation regarding a complaint*."
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>
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> I have stated I am investigating a complaint. I am trying to protect
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> everyone's confidentiality as much as possible. I don't understand an
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> organization that impedes the investigation of a complaint by refusing to
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> release video.
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> Please direct the CoC to release the video I am requesting.
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>
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>
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> ---
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> Daniel Fishman
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> Executive Director
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> The Libertarian Party
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> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
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> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:48 PM <erin.adams@lp.org> wrote:
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>> The meeting was not about delegating staff duties. The meeting was about
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>> tasks and things that the convention oversight committee needed to get done
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>> not about things that staff needed to get done. Things that staff needed to
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>> get done would have been communicated by email
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>>
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>> Erin Adams Region 7 alt.
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>>
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>> On Jun 17, 2020 9:04 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
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>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> That’s my issue Mr Longstreth. I feel like I have no idea what this is
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>> really about.
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>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 7:58 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
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>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>>
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>> > I feel like I'm missing something here. On the surface, I don't see the
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>> > problem with sharing the recording, that's why it exists, for reviewing
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>> the
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>> > record.
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>> >
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>> > I have no idea what the policy manual violation may be and I missed the
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>> > meeting so I have no opinion on that. In general, I am not sure that it
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>> is
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>> > in the party's interest to keep something from the executive director
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>> > except under very specific circumstances where they are the subject of
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>> > investigation. Especially as it relates to the convention, is staff not
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>> > helping with that and, by that logic, since the ExDir supervises staff
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>> > should they not have access to all information where staff duties are
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>> > discussed and delegated to ensure that employees are performing to
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>> > expectation?
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>> >
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>> > I welcome more information and re-emphasize that I have no clue what
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>> all
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>> > this is about.
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>> >
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>> > Richard Longstreth
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>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
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>> > Libertarian National Committee
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>> > richard.longstreth@lp.org
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>> > 931.538.9300
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>> >
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>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
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>> >
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>> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 17:28 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
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>> > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> >
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>> > > The Executive Director viewing the recording seems like a reasonable
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>> > > request to me.
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>> > >
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>> > > ---
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>> > > Tim Hagan
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>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
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>> > >
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>> > > On 2020-06-17 16:34, Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business wrote:
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>> > > > Initially I only wanted to see the software demo, but when that was
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>> > > > blocked
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>> > > > I asked someone who was there why, and then became aware of
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>> something
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>> > > > the
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>> > > > policy manual REQUIRES me to investigate. Actually, I believe all
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>> > > > members
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>> > > > of the LNC are charged with enforcement of the policy manual.
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>> > > >
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>> > > > If nobody thinks anything happened that should be reported as a
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>> > > > violation
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>> > > > of the policy manual, then I would like to confirm that.
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>> > > >
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>> > > > I would assume that an LNC member concerned there was an ambiguity
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>> > > > would
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>> > > > err on the side of caution, so I just need to confirm the conflict
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>> > > > between
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>> > > > many people saying that nothing happened and the other report that
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>> I
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>> > > > now
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>> > > > have. Having worked in an administrative position for many years, I
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>> > > > believe
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>> > > > it's very important that matters like this be handled directly.
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>> > > >
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>> > > > I am baffled by the idea that I think there is something that must
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>> > > > be investigated and being blocked from doing so, especially since
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>> this
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>> > > > was
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>> > > > a meeting ALL LNC members were invited to. I reiterate my call for
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>> > > > access
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>> > > > to the recording.
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>> > > >
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>> > > > Dan
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>> > > >
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>> > > >
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>> > > >
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>> > > > Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
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>> > > >
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>> > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 7:04 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
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>> > > > <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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>> > > > wrote:
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>> > > >
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>> > > >> Can’t you just confer with the CoC?
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>> > > >>
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>> > > >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:00 PM Daniel Fishman <
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>> dan.fishman@lphq.org>
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>> > > >> wrote:
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>> > > >>
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>> > > >>> I initially only wanted to see the video of the remote software
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>> demo,
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>> > > >>> but
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>> > > >>> now I am hearing there was a policy manual violation as well.
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>> > > >>>
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>> > > >>> Dan Fishman, Executive Director, Libertarian Party
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>> > > >>>
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>> > > >>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 6:51 PM Caryn Ann Harlos
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>> > > >>> <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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>> > > >>> wrote:
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>> > > >>>
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>> > > >>>> Mr. Fishman why do you need the actual recording rather than
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>> just
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>> > > >>>> asking
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>> > > >>>> the CoC the information you need.
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>> > > >>>>
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>> > > >>>> *In Liberty,*
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>> > > >>>>
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>> > > >>>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
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>> > > >>>> Syndrome
<br>
>> > > >>>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > > >>>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> > > >>>> anyone
<br>
>> > > >>>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
>> social
<br>
>> > > >>>> faux
<br>
>> > > >>>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>> > > >>>>
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>> > > >>>>
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>> > > >>>>
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>> > > >>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 2:42 PM Daniel Fishman via Lnc-business
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>> <
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>> > > >>>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>> > > >>>>
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>> > > >>>>> Dear LNC,
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>> > > >>>>>
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>> > > >>>>> I requested to view the recording of the CoC zoom from Monday
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>> > > >>>>> night, and
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>> > > >>>>> the CoC is arguing the tapes recording is confidential and that
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>> I
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>> > > >>>>> must
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>> > > >>>>> ask
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>> > > >>>>> the LNC for permission to view it.
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>> > > >>>>>
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>> > > >>>>> This highlights again the need for a data security policy --
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>> which
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>> > > >>>>> I
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>> > > >>>>> will
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>> > > >>>>> write and present to the next LNC. In the meantime however can
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>> you
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>> > > >>>>> please
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>> > > >>>>> informally comment on whether or not the recording should be
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>> kept
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>> > > >>>>> confidential from me, or if I am allowed to view it?
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>> > > >>>>> ---
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>> > > >>>>> Daniel Fishman
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>> > > >>>>> Executive Director
<br>
>> > > >>>>> The Libertarian Party
<br>
>> > > >>>>> Join Us <http://www.lp.org/join>
<br>
>> > > >>>>>
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>> > > >>>> --
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>> > > >>
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>> > > >> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> > > >>
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>> > > >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
>> Syndrome
<br>
>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> > > >> anyone
<br>
>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
>> social
<br>
>> > > >> faux
<br>
>> > > >> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>> > > >>
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>> > > >>
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>> > >
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>> >
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>> --
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>>
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>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>>
<br>
>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
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>>
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>>
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>>
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