<div dir='auto'>That is my opinion as a committee member. I do not speak for the entire committee. I think the Rosen group only offered us this "option" in order to mitigate their damages. Under force majeure its a wash but if they cancel they owe us damages. I dont believe that they believe they will be hosting an event. I feel like they want to cancel and are trying to pass the buck in order to mitigate damages. I belive our committee chair agrees with me<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Erin Adams Region 7 alt.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 30, 2020 9:30 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Ms Adams if that is the opinion of the CoC I will support. My current
<br>
opinion is predicated on the CoC not believing that. If they do, I will
<br>
vote accordingly. I cannot ask more than you guys have done. You are
<br>
heros.
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:27 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Whatever happens I hope we are committed to honouring the decision of this
<br>
> body and not trash talking disagreements on Facebook.
<br>
>
<br>
> The damage that was done by the failure to do that before is immeasurable.
<br>
>
<br>
> We could have been at this point unified if that practice had been
<br>
> observed from the beginning. We are all unhappy with LNC decisions at some
<br>
> point. I will model what I wish our chair would have done. Imagine how
<br>
> different things could have been. It’s sad to imagine.
<br>
>
<br>
> I will respect the decision of my colleagues. That should always be the
<br>
> practice. That should have happened in May.
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:03 AM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
<br>
> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
>> John,
<br>
>>
<br>
>> My state chairs have proposed a similar outcome. Votes on elected
<br>
>> positions, no deliberative work, either up and down voting on plat/bylaws
<br>
>> or ensuring the work is preserves and visited down the road/ next
<br>
>> convention. I am currently at 8-1-0-3 as of the writing of this email in
<br>
>> favor of not signing another contract
<br>
>>
<br>
>> Richard Longstreth
<br>
>> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
<br>
>> Libertarian National Committee
<br>
>> richard.longstreth@lp.org
<br>
>> 931.538.9300
<br>
>>
<br>
>> Sent from my Mobile Device
<br>
>>
<br>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 07:50 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>>
<br>
>> > Given everything else going on both on Florida and around the country,
<br>
>> as
<br>
>> > well as that apparently the convention center they want to put us in is
<br>
>> one
<br>
>> > of their Covid testing locations, (despite my online jokes about this
<br>
>> maybe
<br>
>> > being a feature not a flaw) we need to seriously consider this as a
<br>
>> time to
<br>
>> > make the decision to punt.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > I am polling my state chairs/officers group right now, but my
<br>
>> inclination
<br>
>> > would be to move to not accept this change and cancel an in person
<br>
>> > convention, moving elections online, with platform and bylaws either
<br>
>> being
<br>
>> > straight up down votes, or over some sort of extended time frame after
<br>
>> > elections are over with email balloting (not partial to that, but it is
<br>
>> a
<br>
>> > possible thing).
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > John Phillips
<br>
>> > Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
>> > Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
>> Lnc-business" <
<br>
>> > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > Alex Merced
<br>
>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
<br>
>> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
>> > wrote:
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
<br>
>> > electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged
<br>
>> for
<br>
>> > time off work.
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
<br>
>> > caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
<br>
>> would
<br>
>> > agree. They have not, quite the contrary. I think it would be
<br>
>> > disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
<br>
>> well as
<br>
>> > to the delegates who want to go)
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
<br>
>> needed
<br>
>> > is accommodated.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
<br>
>> always
<br>
>> > opposed. There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
<br>
>> > Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
<br>
>> > respecting everyone’s choice does as well. Cancelling while it is still
<br>
>> > possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go. I think we can
<br>
>> > honor all choices.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
<br>
>> decision
<br>
>> > is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
<br>
>> > undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
>> > Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised
<br>
>> As
<br>
>> > far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
<br>
>> > visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
<br>
>> > direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
<br>
>> concerns.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
<br>
>> > attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
<br>
>> breakout
<br>
>> > rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
<br>
>> > cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
<br>
>> > convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed
<br>
>> but
<br>
>> > due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend
<br>
>> to be
<br>
>> > their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
<br>
>> > loved ones.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
<br>
>> they
<br>
>> > would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
<br>
>> not do
<br>
>> > the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future
<br>
>> but
<br>
>> > at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
<br>
>> > headwinds so much).
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
<br>
>> reshuffled,
<br>
>> > the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
<br>
>> > impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I
<br>
>> don’t
<br>
>> > know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed
<br>
>> but
<br>
>> > if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
<br>
>> > circumstances.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
<br>
>> > mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
<br>
>> > burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
<br>
>> > vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
<br>
>> > heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> Alex Merced
<br>
>> > >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
<br>
>> > The two
<br>
>> > >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and
<br>
>> I
<br>
>> > have
<br>
>> > >>> > died inside over it.
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > People can disagree in good faith. No matter what happens now or
<br>
>> > whenever,
<br>
>> > >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
<br>
>> collectively
<br>
>> > make
<br>
>> > >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that
<br>
>> is
<br>
>> > a
<br>
>> > >>> > success.
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > That is what I intend to do. I am convinced that the "all or
<br>
>> > nothing"
<br>
>> > >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party. There
<br>
>> is
<br>
>> > no
<br>
>> > >>> > parity. My position: I want everyone to get their way. Those
<br>
>> who
<br>
>> > wish to
<br>
>> > >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that
<br>
>> is
<br>
>> > how I
<br>
>> > >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
<br>
>> > convention. I
<br>
>> > >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
<br>
>> > holding
<br>
>> > >>> > them. We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
>> > Syndrome
<br>
>> > >>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> > anyone
<br>
>> > >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
>> social
<br>
>> > faux
<br>
>> > >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> > >>> >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
<br>
>> > >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
<br>
>> Monday's
<br>
>> > COC
<br>
>> > >>> >> meeting.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
<br>
>> that
<br>
>> > their
<br>
>> > >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
<br>
>> This
<br>
>> > meant
<br>
>> > >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
<br>
>> shock.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
<br>
>> Center
<br>
>> > >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
<br>
>> > to
<br>
>> > >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As
<br>
>> of
<br>
>> > >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
<br>
>> > and
<br>
>> > >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
<br>
>> > within a
<br>
>> > >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
<br>
>> > Party
<br>
>> > >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
<br>
>> Center
<br>
>> > will
<br>
>> > >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
<br>
>> > larger
<br>
>> > >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
<br>
>> > >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
<br>
>> our
<br>
>> > 2016
<br>
>> > >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
<br>
>> your
<br>
>> > >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
<br>
>> > also
<br>
>> > >>> >> have similar settings
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
<br>
>> > with
<br>
>> > >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
<br>
>> and
<br>
>> > CT
<br>
>> > >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
<br>
>> state
<br>
>> > >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
<br>
>> > months
<br>
>> > >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
<br>
>> > surety
<br>
>> > >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
<br>
>> > but
<br>
>> > >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
<br>
>> due
<br>
>> > to
<br>
>> > >>> >> government constraints.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
<br>
>> > week
<br>
>> > >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Live Free,
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Sam Goldstein
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> --
<br>
>> > >>> >> Tim Hagan
<br>
>> > >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >> --
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> In Liberty,
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > > --
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > > In Liberty,
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > > Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
>> Lnc-business" <
<br>
>> > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > Alex Merced
<br>
>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
<br>
>> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
>> > wrote:
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
<br>
>> > electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged
<br>
>> for
<br>
>> > time off work.
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
<br>
>> > caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
<br>
>> would
<br>
>> > agree. They have not, quite the contrary. I think it would be
<br>
>> > disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
<br>
>> well as
<br>
>> > to the delegates who want to go)
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
<br>
>> needed
<br>
>> > is accommodated.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
<br>
>> always
<br>
>> > opposed. There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
<br>
>> > Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
<br>
>> > respecting everyone’s choice does as well. Cancelling while it is still
<br>
>> > possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go. I think we can
<br>
>> > honor all choices.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
<br>
>> decision
<br>
>> > is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
<br>
>> > undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
>> > Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised
<br>
>> As
<br>
>> > far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
<br>
>> > visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
<br>
>> > direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
<br>
>> concerns.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
<br>
>> > attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
<br>
>> breakout
<br>
>> > rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
<br>
>> > cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
<br>
>> > convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed
<br>
>> but
<br>
>> > due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend
<br>
>> to be
<br>
>> > their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
<br>
>> > loved ones.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
<br>
>> they
<br>
>> > would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
<br>
>> not do
<br>
>> > the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future
<br>
>> but
<br>
>> > at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
<br>
>> > headwinds so much).
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
<br>
>> reshuffled,
<br>
>> > the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
<br>
>> > impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I
<br>
>> don’t
<br>
>> > know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed
<br>
>> but
<br>
>> > if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
<br>
>> > circumstances.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
<br>
>> > mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
<br>
>> > burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
<br>
>> > vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
<br>
>> > heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> Alex Merced
<br>
>> > >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
<br>
>> > The two
<br>
>> > >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and
<br>
>> I
<br>
>> > have
<br>
>> > >>> > died inside over it.
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > People can disagree in good faith. No matter what happens now or
<br>
>> > whenever,
<br>
>> > >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
<br>
>> collectively
<br>
>> > make
<br>
>> > >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that
<br>
>> is
<br>
>> > a
<br>
>> > >>> > success.
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > That is what I intend to do. I am convinced that the "all or
<br>
>> > nothing"
<br>
>> > >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party. There
<br>
>> is
<br>
>> > no
<br>
>> > >>> > parity. My position: I want everyone to get their way. Those
<br>
>> who
<br>
>> > wish to
<br>
>> > >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that
<br>
>> is
<br>
>> > how I
<br>
>> > >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
<br>
>> > convention. I
<br>
>> > >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
<br>
>> > holding
<br>
>> > >>> > them. We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
>> > Syndrome
<br>
>> > >>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> > anyone
<br>
>> > >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
>> social
<br>
>> > faux
<br>
>> > >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> > >>> >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
<br>
>> > >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
<br>
>> Monday's
<br>
>> > COC
<br>
>> > >>> >> meeting.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
<br>
>> that
<br>
>> > their
<br>
>> > >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
<br>
>> This
<br>
>> > meant
<br>
>> > >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
<br>
>> shock.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
<br>
>> Center
<br>
>> > >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
<br>
>> > to
<br>
>> > >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As
<br>
>> of
<br>
>> > >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
<br>
>> > and
<br>
>> > >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
<br>
>> > within a
<br>
>> > >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
<br>
>> > Party
<br>
>> > >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
<br>
>> Center
<br>
>> > will
<br>
>> > >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
<br>
>> > larger
<br>
>> > >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
<br>
>> > >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
<br>
>> our
<br>
>> > 2016
<br>
>> > >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
<br>
>> your
<br>
>> > >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
<br>
>> > also
<br>
>> > >>> >> have similar settings
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
<br>
>> > with
<br>
>> > >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
<br>
>> and
<br>
>> > CT
<br>
>> > >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
<br>
>> state
<br>
>> > >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
<br>
>> > months
<br>
>> > >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
<br>
>> > surety
<br>
>> > >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
<br>
>> > but
<br>
>> > >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
<br>
>> due
<br>
>> > to
<br>
>> > >>> >> government constraints.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
<br>
>> > week
<br>
>> > >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Live Free,
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Sam Goldstein
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> --
<br>
>> > >>> >> Tim Hagan
<br>
>> > >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >> --
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> In Liberty,
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > > --
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > > In Liberty,
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > > Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
>> Lnc-business" <
<br>
>> > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > Alex Merced
<br>
>> > Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <
<br>
>> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
>> > wrote:
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
<br>
>> > electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged
<br>
>> for
<br>
>> > time off work.
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
<br>
>> > caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I
<br>
>> would
<br>
>> > agree. They have not, quite the contrary. I think it would be
<br>
>> > disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As
<br>
>> well as
<br>
>> > to the delegates who want to go)
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room
<br>
>> needed
<br>
>> > is accommodated.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have
<br>
>> always
<br>
>> > opposed. There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
<br>
>> > Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
<br>
>> > respecting everyone’s choice does as well. Cancelling while it is still
<br>
>> > possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go. I think we can
<br>
>> > honor all choices.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the
<br>
>> decision
<br>
>> > is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
<br>
>> > undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
>> > Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised
<br>
>> As
<br>
>> > far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
<br>
>> > visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
<br>
>> > direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many
<br>
>> concerns.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
<br>
>> > attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and
<br>
>> breakout
<br>
>> > rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
<br>
>> > cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
<br>
>> > convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed
<br>
>> but
<br>
>> > due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend
<br>
>> to be
<br>
>> > their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
<br>
>> > loved ones.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure
<br>
>> they
<br>
>> > would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will
<br>
>> not do
<br>
>> > the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future
<br>
>> but
<br>
>> > at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
<br>
>> > headwinds so much).
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now
<br>
>> reshuffled,
<br>
>> > the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
<br>
>> > impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I
<br>
>> don’t
<br>
>> > know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed
<br>
>> but
<br>
>> > if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
<br>
>> > circumstances.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
<br>
>> > mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
<br>
>> > burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
<br>
>> > vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
<br>
>> > heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> Alex Merced
<br>
>> > >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> > lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
<br>
>> > The two
<br>
>> > >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and
<br>
>> I
<br>
>> > have
<br>
>> > >>> > died inside over it.
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > People can disagree in good faith. No matter what happens now or
<br>
>> > whenever,
<br>
>> > >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we
<br>
>> collectively
<br>
>> > make
<br>
>> > >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that
<br>
>> is
<br>
>> > a
<br>
>> > >>> > success.
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > That is what I intend to do. I am convinced that the "all or
<br>
>> > nothing"
<br>
>> > >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party. There
<br>
>> is
<br>
>> > no
<br>
>> > >>> > parity. My position: I want everyone to get their way. Those
<br>
>> who
<br>
>> > wish to
<br>
>> > >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that
<br>
>> is
<br>
>> > how I
<br>
>> > >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
<br>
>> > convention. I
<br>
>> > >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
<br>
>> > holding
<br>
>> > >>> > them. We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
>> > Syndrome
<br>
>> > >>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> > anyone
<br>
>> > >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
>> social
<br>
>> > faux
<br>
>> > >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >
<br>
>> > >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> > >>> >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
<br>
>> > >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at
<br>
>> Monday's
<br>
>> > COC
<br>
>> > >>> >> meeting.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties
<br>
>> that
<br>
>> > their
<br>
>> > >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September.
<br>
>> This
<br>
>> > meant
<br>
>> > >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in
<br>
>> shock.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen
<br>
>> Center
<br>
>> > >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
<br>
>> > to
<br>
>> > >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As
<br>
>> of
<br>
>> > >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
<br>
>> > and
<br>
>> > >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
<br>
>> > within a
<br>
>> > >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
<br>
>> > Party
<br>
>> > >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention
<br>
>> Center
<br>
>> > will
<br>
>> > >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
<br>
>> > larger
<br>
>> > >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
<br>
>> > >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of
<br>
>> our
<br>
>> > 2016
<br>
>> > >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change
<br>
>> your
<br>
>> > >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
<br>
>> > also
<br>
>> > >>> >> have similar settings
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
<br>
>> > with
<br>
>> > >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ
<br>
>> and
<br>
>> > CT
<br>
>> > >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three
<br>
>> state
<br>
>> > >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
<br>
>> > months
<br>
>> > >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
<br>
>> > surety
<br>
>> > >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
<br>
>> > but
<br>
>> > >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel
<br>
>> due
<br>
>> > to
<br>
>> > >>> >> government constraints.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
<br>
>> > week
<br>
>> > >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Live Free,
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> Sam Goldstein
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>> >> --
<br>
>> > >>> >> Tim Hagan
<br>
>> > >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
>> > >>> >>
<br>
>> > >>>
<br>
>> > >> --
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> In Liberty,
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > >> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
>> > >>
<br>
>> > > --
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > > In Liberty,
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> > > Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
>> > >
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> >
<br>
>>
<br>
> --
<br>
>
<br>
> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>
<br>
> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>
<br>
> --
<br>
<br>
*In Liberty,*
<br>
<br>
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div>