<div dir='auto'>At this point, I believe we have reached impossibility and should consider other options<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Erin Adams Region 7 alt.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 30, 2020 9:03 AM, Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">John,
<br>
<br>
My state chairs have proposed a similar outcome. Votes on elected
<br>
positions, no deliberative work, either up and down voting on plat/bylaws
<br>
or ensuring the work is preserves and visited down the road/ next
<br>
convention. I am currently at 8-1-0-3 as of the writing of this email in
<br>
favor of not signing another contract
<br>
<br>
Richard Longstreth
<br>
Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
<br>
Libertarian National Committee
<br>
richard.longstreth@lp.org
<br>
931.538.9300
<br>
<br>
Sent from my Mobile Device
<br>
<br>
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 07:50 john.phillips--- via Lnc-business <
<br>
lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
<br>
> Given everything else going on both on Florida and around the country, as
<br>
> well as that apparently the convention center they want to put us in is one
<br>
> of their Covid testing locations, (despite my online jokes about this maybe
<br>
> being a feature not a flaw) we need to seriously consider this as a time to
<br>
> make the decision to punt.
<br>
>
<br>
> I am polling my state chairs/officers group right now, but my inclination
<br>
> would be to move to not accept this change and cancel an in person
<br>
> convention, moving elections online, with platform and bylaws either being
<br>
> straight up down votes, or over some sort of extended time frame after
<br>
> elections are over with email balloting (not partial to that, but it is a
<br>
> possible thing).
<br>
>
<br>
> John Phillips
<br>
> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
>
<br>
> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business" <
<br>
> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
> 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
<br>
>
<br>
> Alex Merced
<br>
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
>
<br>
> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
> wrote:
<br>
> >
<br>
> >
<br>
> > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
<br>
> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged for
<br>
> time off work.
<br>
> >
<br>
> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
<br>
> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I would
<br>
> agree. They have not, quite the contrary. I think it would be
<br>
> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As well as
<br>
> to the delegates who want to go)
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room needed
<br>
> is accommodated.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have always
<br>
> opposed. There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
<br>
> Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
<br>
> respecting everyone’s choice does as well. Cancelling while it is still
<br>
> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go. I think we can
<br>
> honor all choices.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the decision
<br>
> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
<br>
> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
> Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised As
<br>
> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
<br>
> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
<br>
> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many concerns.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
<br>
> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and breakout
<br>
> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
<br>
> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
<br>
> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed but
<br>
> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend to be
<br>
> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
<br>
> loved ones.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure they
<br>
> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will not do
<br>
> the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future but
<br>
> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
<br>
> headwinds so much).
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now reshuffled,
<br>
> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
<br>
> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I don’t
<br>
> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed but
<br>
> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
<br>
> circumstances.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
<br>
> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
<br>
> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
<br>
> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
<br>
> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> Alex Merced
<br>
> >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
<br>
> The two
<br>
> >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and I
<br>
> have
<br>
> >>> > died inside over it.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > People can disagree in good faith. No matter what happens now or
<br>
> whenever,
<br>
> >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we collectively
<br>
> make
<br>
> >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that is
<br>
> a
<br>
> >>> > success.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > That is what I intend to do. I am convinced that the "all or
<br>
> nothing"
<br>
> >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party. There is
<br>
> no
<br>
> >>> > parity. My position: I want everyone to get their way. Those who
<br>
> wish to
<br>
> >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that is
<br>
> how I
<br>
> >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
<br>
> convention. I
<br>
> >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
<br>
> holding
<br>
> >>> > them. We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
> anyone
<br>
> >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
> faux
<br>
> >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
<br>
> >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at Monday's
<br>
> COC
<br>
> >>> >> meeting.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties that
<br>
> their
<br>
> >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September. This
<br>
> meant
<br>
> >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in shock.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen Center
<br>
> >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
<br>
> to
<br>
> >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As of
<br>
> >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
<br>
> and
<br>
> >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
<br>
> within a
<br>
> >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
<br>
> Party
<br>
> >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention Center
<br>
> will
<br>
> >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
<br>
> larger
<br>
> >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
<br>
> >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of our
<br>
> 2016
<br>
> >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change your
<br>
> >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
<br>
> also
<br>
> >>> >> have similar settings
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
<br>
> with
<br>
> >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ and
<br>
> CT
<br>
> >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three state
<br>
> >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
<br>
> months
<br>
> >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
<br>
> surety
<br>
> >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
<br>
> but
<br>
> >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel due
<br>
> to
<br>
> >>> >> government constraints.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
<br>
> week
<br>
> >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Live Free,
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Sam Goldstein
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> --
<br>
> >>> >> Tim Hagan
<br>
> >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >> --
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> In Liberty,
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> > --
<br>
> >
<br>
> > In Liberty,
<br>
> >
<br>
> > Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
> >
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
>
<br>
> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business" <
<br>
> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
> 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
<br>
>
<br>
> Alex Merced
<br>
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
>
<br>
> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
<br>
> wrote:
<br>
> >
<br>
> >
<br>
> > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
<br>
> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged for
<br>
> time off work.
<br>
> >
<br>
> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
<br>
> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I would
<br>
> agree. They have not, quite the contrary. I think it would be
<br>
> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As well as
<br>
> to the delegates who want to go)
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room needed
<br>
> is accommodated.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have always
<br>
> opposed. There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
<br>
> Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
<br>
> respecting everyone’s choice does as well. Cancelling while it is still
<br>
> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go. I think we can
<br>
> honor all choices.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the decision
<br>
> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
<br>
> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
> Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised As
<br>
> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
<br>
> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
<br>
> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many concerns.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
<br>
> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and breakout
<br>
> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
<br>
> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
<br>
> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed but
<br>
> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend to be
<br>
> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
<br>
> loved ones.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure they
<br>
> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will not do
<br>
> the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future but
<br>
> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
<br>
> headwinds so much).
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now reshuffled,
<br>
> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
<br>
> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I don’t
<br>
> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed but
<br>
> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
<br>
> circumstances.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
<br>
> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
<br>
> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
<br>
> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
<br>
> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> Alex Merced
<br>
> >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
<br>
> The two
<br>
> >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and I
<br>
> have
<br>
> >>> > died inside over it.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > People can disagree in good faith. No matter what happens now or
<br>
> whenever,
<br>
> >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we collectively
<br>
> make
<br>
> >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that is
<br>
> a
<br>
> >>> > success.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > That is what I intend to do. I am convinced that the "all or
<br>
> nothing"
<br>
> >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party. There is
<br>
> no
<br>
> >>> > parity. My position: I want everyone to get their way. Those who
<br>
> wish to
<br>
> >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that is
<br>
> how I
<br>
> >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
<br>
> convention. I
<br>
> >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
<br>
> holding
<br>
> >>> > them. We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
> anyone
<br>
> >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
> faux
<br>
> >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
<br>
> >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at Monday's
<br>
> COC
<br>
> >>> >> meeting.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties that
<br>
> their
<br>
> >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September. This
<br>
> meant
<br>
> >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in shock.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen Center
<br>
> >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
<br>
> to
<br>
> >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As of
<br>
> >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
<br>
> and
<br>
> >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
<br>
> within a
<br>
> >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
<br>
> Party
<br>
> >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention Center
<br>
> will
<br>
> >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
<br>
> larger
<br>
> >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
<br>
> >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of our
<br>
> 2016
<br>
> >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change your
<br>
> >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
<br>
> also
<br>
> >>> >> have similar settings
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
<br>
> with
<br>
> >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ and
<br>
> CT
<br>
> >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three state
<br>
> >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
<br>
> months
<br>
> >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
<br>
> surety
<br>
> >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
<br>
> but
<br>
> >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel due
<br>
> to
<br>
> >>> >> government constraints.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
<br>
> week
<br>
> >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Live Free,
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Sam Goldstein
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> --
<br>
> >>> >> Tim Hagan
<br>
> >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >> --
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> In Liberty,
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> > --
<br>
> >
<br>
> > In Liberty,
<br>
> >
<br>
> > Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
> >
<br>
>
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>
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>
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> On Jun 30, 2020 7:43 AM, "Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via Lnc-business" <
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> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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>
<br>
> 100% this “ Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.” 👏👏👏
<br>
>
<br>
> Alex Merced
<br>
> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
>
<br>
> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org>
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> wrote:
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> >
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> >
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> > If the in person does not go forward, I do hope we decide to have an
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> electronic convention on the same days as people have already arranged for
<br>
> time off work.
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> >
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> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:53 AM Caryn Ann Harlos <
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> caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:
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> >> If the CoC had said they did not wish to do the work necessary I would
<br>
> agree. They have not, quite the contrary. I think it would be
<br>
> disrespectful of everything they have done not to let them try. (As well as
<br>
> to the delegates who want to go)
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> >>
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> >> From what I understand all the same safety precautions and room needed
<br>
> is accommodated.
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> >>
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> >> What this does is a second bite at the apple for those who have always
<br>
> opposed. There may be other reasons to change one’s mind (conditions in
<br>
> Florida for example) but this shift isn’t anything major.
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> >>
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> >> Everything in the compromise still holds true and the principle of
<br>
> respecting everyone’s choice does as well. Cancelling while it is still
<br>
> possible forecloses the choice of those who want to go. I think we can
<br>
> honor all choices.
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> >>
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> >> That said, we are a deliberative body, and no matter what the decision
<br>
> is, I hope everyone respects it and does not work to sow sour grapes or
<br>
> undermine as we have seen already over this whole thing.
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> >>
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> >> Debate, vote, accept, work to make a success.
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>
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> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:15 AM Alex Merced (LNC Vice Chair) via
<br>
> Lnc-business <lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> >>> Will the OCCC have all the same precautions that the Rosen promised As
<br>
> far safety (its not just size of the rooms).
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> >>>
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> >>> I’ve generally been in support of the compromise because it was
<br>
> visible that there was no way the party as a whole could move in either
<br>
> direction without causing major schisms but this does raise many concerns.
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> >>>
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> >>> - Even if rooms reservations are moved and a larger main hall is
<br>
> attained the amount of planning for the space such as tables and breakout
<br>
> rooms, Gala planning etc. that would need to be revisited seems like a
<br>
> cruel thing to ask the CoC to revisit.
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> >>>
<br>
> >>> - I have seen annecdotally noticed several supporters of live
<br>
> convention change their mind not to go not cause their view had changed but
<br>
> due to the pressure from family and those around them. While I intend to be
<br>
> their if it happens, I have also seen similar levels of pressure from my
<br>
> loved ones.
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> >>>
<br>
> >>> - The Rosen was quite adamant about having us and was quite sure they
<br>
> would be open that weekend what assurance we have that the OCCC will not do
<br>
> the same in the next week and half (I know you can’t control the future but
<br>
> at this point, but there comes a point where you can only fight these
<br>
> headwinds so much).
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> >>>
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> >>> Considering the amount of logistics and timing that is now reshuffled,
<br>
> the changing health environment I think that we can safely invoke
<br>
> impossibility/impracticality for the second sitting if we chose to. I don’t
<br>
> know if this is something we are voting on, or If this ship has sailed but
<br>
> if it comes to a vote that is how I will vote based on current
<br>
> circumstances.
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> >>>
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> >>> I do have nothing but gratitude for the efforts of the CoC to move
<br>
> mountains in replanning a convention in 6 weeks and don’t wish them the
<br>
> burden of replanning this in two weeks in a venue without the kind of
<br>
> vetting that was given to the Rosen in a fraction of the time.
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> >>>
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> >>> If the event does happen, I plan on being there but this is where my
<br>
> heart is at with the hearing of this new information.
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> >>>
<br>
> >>> Alex Merced
<br>
> >>> Vice Chair of the Libertarian National Committee/LP
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >>> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:19 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> >>> >
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> >>> > We need to see an addendum or whatever sooner rather than later.
<br>
> The two
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> >>> > "sides" are eating each other's faces once again on facebook, and I
<br>
> have
<br>
> >>> > died inside over it.
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> >>> >
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> >>> > People can disagree in good faith. No matter what happens now or
<br>
> whenever,
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> >>> > I believe it is our job to accept whatever decision we collectively
<br>
> make
<br>
> >>> > whether we personally agree or not and work to make whatever that is
<br>
> a
<br>
> >>> > success.
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> >>> >
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> >>> > That is what I intend to do. I am convinced that the "all or
<br>
> nothing"
<br>
> >>> > spectrums on both sides are seriously damaging our party. There is
<br>
> no
<br>
> >>> > parity. My position: I want everyone to get their way. Those who
<br>
> wish to
<br>
> >>> > attend in person and those who wish to attend remotely, and that is
<br>
> how I
<br>
> >>> > will vote on this body and if necessary at any in-person
<br>
> convention. I
<br>
> >>> > respect all choices and that people have good faith reasons for
<br>
> holding
<br>
> >>> > them. We would all be better off if we all did that IMHO.
<br>
> >>> >
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> >>> >
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> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
> Syndrome
<br>
> >>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> >>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
> anyone
<br>
> >>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
> faux
<br>
> >>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >
<br>
> >>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
<br>
> >>> >> lnc-business@hq.lp.org> wrote:
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> >>> >>
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> >>> >> Mr. Goldstein is likely already asleep at this late hour, so I'm
<br>
> >>> >> forwarding his message for the LNC members who were not at Monday's
<br>
> COC
<br>
> >>> >> meeting.
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> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Convention Update - Next to last one!
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> >>> >>
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> >>> >> On Friday, June 26th the COC was notified by Rosen Properties that
<br>
> their
<br>
> >>> >> Shingle Creek property was not going to open until September. This
<br>
> meant
<br>
> >>> >> that our National Convention was in jeopardy and we were in shock.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> During that initial discussion we were told that their Rosen Center
<br>
> >>> >> property had never closed and they proposed moving our convention
<br>
> to
<br>
> >>> >> that venue and the adjoining Orange County Convention Center. As of
<br>
> >>> >> today we are in possession of an outline of how that will happen
<br>
> and
<br>
> >>> >> hope to have a contract addendum ready for the LNC's approval
<br>
> within a
<br>
> >>> >> couple days. There will be no additional costs to the Libertarian
<br>
> Party
<br>
> >>> >> for this change in venue, all added costs for the Convention Center
<br>
> will
<br>
> >>> >> be taken care of by Rosen Properties. We will actually have a
<br>
> larger
<br>
> >>> >> main hall at 93k sq ft and more room for exhibits and breakouts.
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> All room reservations made for Shingle Creek will be moved to an
<br>
> >>> >> equivalent room at the Rosen Center (which was the location of our
<br>
> 2016
<br>
> >>> >> National Convention). You need not contact the hotel to change your
<br>
> >>> >> reservation. Also, all suite upgrades and hospitality rooms will
<br>
> also
<br>
> >>> >> have similar settings
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> >>> >>
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> >>> >> The COC also voted tonight to approve an addendum to the contract
<br>
> with
<br>
> >>> >> AV Group that will provide a remote convention site for NY, NJ and
<br>
> CT
<br>
> >>> >> delegates at Syracuse, NY based on discussions with the three state
<br>
> >>> >> chairs. This is an option we have been working on for almost two
<br>
> months
<br>
> >>> >> and had a hard deadline of today to proceed. We did with with no
<br>
> surety
<br>
> >>> >> that the delegates at Orlando will authorize remote participation
<br>
> but
<br>
> >>> >> with the faith that they will for delegates that cannot travel due
<br>
> to
<br>
> >>> >> government constraints.
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> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> We are still planning to have a great convention at Orlando next
<br>
> week
<br>
> >>> >> and look forward to seeing many of you there.
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> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Live Free,
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> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> Sam Goldstein
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>> >> --
<br>
> >>> >> Tim Hagan
<br>
> >>> >> Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
> >>> >>
<br>
> >>>
<br>
> >> --
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> In Liberty,
<br>
> >>
<br>
> >> Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
> >>
<br>
> > --
<br>
> >
<br>
> > In Liberty,
<br>
> >
<br>
> > Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
> pas), please contact me privately and let me know.
<br>
> >
<br>
>
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>
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>
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