<div dir='auto'><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">I get your point, but I disagree. We have plenty of evidence that the delegates want to be polled that is reason enough to take the 5 minutes to do it, and if they say have the convention than all is good anyway. If they say don't we have a data point to base a decision on.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">In reality sitting on the call last night there are some contract concerns that need to be worked out, and if they can't then it is moot.<br><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"> I do not agree with that wording. It does not answer for me the question that needs to be answered.<div><br></div><div>And frankly it is too late. Imagine if we spent this time doing something productive.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="letter-spacing:0.2px"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;letter-spacing:normal"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"> </b></div><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large">In Liberty,</b><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 255 , 0 , 255 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"><i><img src="https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download" width="200" height="41"></i></b><br></div><div><i style="font-size:small"><font size="1"><b> Personal Note: </b> I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. </font></i><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="text-align:center"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="elided-text"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ask them very simply:</div><div dir="auto">Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th thru 12th.</div><div dir="auto">Yes, No, Nota.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do so, but lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.<br><br><div dir="auto">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of delegates?
<br>
If not, it is not representative. Colorado has significantly more
<br>
delegates than other states. You cannot use the state chairs as
<br>
representing delegates without that calculation.
<br>
<br>
It is too late. I asked for this poll early yesterday. It is absolutely
<br>
unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we have a
<br>
location.
<br>
<br>
I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there has
<br>
been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand. If we cancel
<br>
when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention, this body
<br>
has no business being anywhere near leadership. It is wrong, and it is
<br>
robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of the
<br>
non-initiation of force.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*In Liberty,*
<br>
<br>
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>>
<br>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
> I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get this
<br>
> started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
<br>
> delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to not
<br>
> approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to represent
<br>
> their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates to me. I
<br>
> cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone have
<br>
> contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
<br>
>
<br>
> Richard Longstreth
<br>
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
<br>
> Libertarian National Committee
<br>
> <a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>
<br>
> 931.538.9300
<br>
>
<br>
> Sent from my Mobile Device
<br>
>
<br>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
>> As far as wording that is not my call. But bad wording will kill the
<br>
>> entire usefulness.
<br>
>>
<br>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> wrote:
<br>
>>
<br>
>> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session of the
<br>
>> > first part of the convention.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > They made a decision.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>
<br>
>> > wrote:
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> >> Would you like me to poll all current members? All delegates?
<br>
>> >>
<br>
>> >> What would you like the wording to be?
<br>
>> >> ---
<br>
>> >> Daniel Fishman
<br>
>> >> Executive Director
<br>
>> >> The Libertarian Party
<br>
>> >> Join Us <<a href="http://www.lp.org/join">http://www.lp.org/join</a>>
<br>
>> >>
<br>
>> >>
<br>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>
<br>
>> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this rapidly
<br>
>> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to overturn.
<br>
>> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
<br>
>> >>> convention.
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> >>> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> > I am supportive.
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
<br>
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
<br>
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
<br>
>> >>> > <a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>
<br>
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> >>> > <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people aren't
<br>
>> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or still
<br>
>> >>> processing
<br>
>> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
<br>
>> >>> > >
<br>
>> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're going
<br>
>> to
<br>
>> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled (e.g. all
<br>
>> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May, etc.).
<br>
>> >>> > >
<br>
>> >>> > > ---
<br>
>> >>> > > Tim Hagan
<br>
>> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
>> >>> > >
<br>
>> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
>> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national office.
<br>
>> Yet
<br>
>> >>> > > > except
<br>
>> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > > That is wrong. Are we scared of what they might say? I
<br>
>> actually
<br>
>> >>> think
<br>
>> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know that for
<br>
>> >>> sure.
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > > * In Liberty,*
<br>
>> >>> > > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
>> >>> Syndrome
<br>
>> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> >>> anyone
<br>
>> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
>> >>> social
<br>
>> >>> > > > faux
<br>
>> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
<br>
>> >>> know.
<br>
>> >>> > > > *
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > >> Agreed. I am informally polling my region, but that is just
<br>
>> one
<br>
>> >>> > > >> region.
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >> John Phillips
<br>
>> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
>> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> >>> > > >> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously. The delegates
<br>
>> >>> voted
<br>
>> >>> > > >> for
<br>
>> >>> > > >> an in person convention. I don't really think we have the
<br>
>> right
<br>
>> >>> to
<br>
>> >>> > > >> cancel
<br>
>> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do. It is usurping their
<br>
>> decision.
<br>
>> >>> > > >> But
<br>
>> >>> > > >> they may think differently now. Can we poll them so we know
<br>
>> what
<br>
>> >>> we
<br>
>> >>> > > >> should
<br>
>> >>> > > >> do? This isn't about us. It is about particular state chairs
<br>
>> in
<br>
>> >>> > > >> particular regions. It is about the delegate that gave us
<br>
>> >>> specific
<br>
>> >>> > > >> marching orders. Can we find out what THEY want?
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >> * In Liberty,*
<br>
>> >>> > > >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
>> >>> Syndrome
<br>
>> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br>
>> If
<br>
>> >>> > > >> anyone
<br>
>> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
>> >>> social
<br>
>> >>> > > >> faux
<br>
>> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
<br>
>> >>> know.
<br>
>> >>> > > >> *
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > >
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> --
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> anyone
<br>
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >> --
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > --
<br>
>>
<br>
>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>>
<br>
>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>>
<br>
>
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"> I do not agree with that wording. It does not answer for me the question that needs to be answered.<div><br></div><div>And frankly it is too late. Imagine if we spent this time doing something productive.<br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="letter-spacing:0.2px"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;letter-spacing:normal"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"> </b></div><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large">In Liberty,</b><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 255 , 0 , 255 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"><i><img src="https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download" width="200" height="41"></i></b><br></div><div><i style="font-size:small"><font size="1"><b> Personal Note: </b> I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. </font></i><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="text-align:center"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="elided-text"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ask them very simply:</div><div dir="auto">Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th thru 12th.</div><div dir="auto">Yes, No, Nota.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do so, but lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.<br><br><div dir="auto">John Phillips<br>Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br>Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div><div><br><div class="elided-text">On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of delegates?
<br>
If not, it is not representative. Colorado has significantly more
<br>
delegates than other states. You cannot use the state chairs as
<br>
representing delegates without that calculation.
<br>
<br>
It is too late. I asked for this poll early yesterday. It is absolutely
<br>
unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we have a
<br>
location.
<br>
<br>
I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there has
<br>
been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand. If we cancel
<br>
when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention, this body
<br>
has no business being anywhere near leadership. It is wrong, and it is
<br>
robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of the
<br>
non-initiation of force.
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
*In Liberty,*
<br>
<br>
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>>
<br>
wrote:
<br>
<br>
> I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get this
<br>
> started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
<br>
> delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to not
<br>
> approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to represent
<br>
> their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates to me. I
<br>
> cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone have
<br>
> contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
<br>
>
<br>
> Richard Longstreth
<br>
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
<br>
> Libertarian National Committee
<br>
> <a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>
<br>
> 931.538.9300
<br>
>
<br>
> Sent from my Mobile Device
<br>
>
<br>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>
<br>
>> As far as wording that is not my call. But bad wording will kill the
<br>
>> entire usefulness.
<br>
>>
<br>
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> wrote:
<br>
>>
<br>
>> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session of the
<br>
>> > first part of the convention.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > They made a decision.
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>
<br>
>> > wrote:
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> >> Would you like me to poll all current members? All delegates?
<br>
>> >>
<br>
>> >> What would you like the wording to be?
<br>
>> >> ---
<br>
>> >> Daniel Fishman
<br>
>> >> Executive Director
<br>
>> >> The Libertarian Party
<br>
>> >> Join Us <<a href="http://www.lp.org/join">http://www.lp.org/join</a>>
<br>
>> >>
<br>
>> >>
<br>
>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>
<br>
>> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this rapidly
<br>
>> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to overturn.
<br>
>> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
<br>
>> >>> convention.
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> >>> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> > I am supportive.
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
<br>
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
<br>
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
<br>
>> >>> > <a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>
<br>
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> >>> > <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people aren't
<br>
>> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or still
<br>
>> >>> processing
<br>
>> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
<br>
>> >>> > >
<br>
>> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're going
<br>
>> to
<br>
>> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled (e.g. all
<br>
>> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May, etc.).
<br>
>> >>> > >
<br>
>> >>> > > ---
<br>
>> >>> > > Tim Hagan
<br>
>> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br>
>> >>> > >
<br>
>> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
<br>
>> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national office.
<br>
>> Yet
<br>
>> >>> > > > except
<br>
>> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > > That is wrong. Are we scared of what they might say? I
<br>
>> actually
<br>
>> >>> think
<br>
>> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know that for
<br>
>> >>> sure.
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > > * In Liberty,*
<br>
>> >>> > > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
>> >>> Syndrome
<br>
>> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> >>> anyone
<br>
>> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
>> >>> social
<br>
>> >>> > > > faux
<br>
>> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
<br>
>> >>> know.
<br>
>> >>> > > > *
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>> > > >
<br>
>> >>> > > >> Agreed. I am informally polling my region, but that is just
<br>
>> one
<br>
>> >>> > > >> region.
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >> John Phillips
<br>
>> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br>
>> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br>
>> >>> > > >> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously. The delegates
<br>
>> >>> voted
<br>
>> >>> > > >> for
<br>
>> >>> > > >> an in person convention. I don't really think we have the
<br>
>> right
<br>
>> >>> to
<br>
>> >>> > > >> cancel
<br>
>> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do. It is usurping their
<br>
>> decision.
<br>
>> >>> > > >> But
<br>
>> >>> > > >> they may think differently now. Can we poll them so we know
<br>
>> what
<br>
>> >>> we
<br>
>> >>> > > >> should
<br>
>> >>> > > >> do? This isn't about us. It is about particular state chairs
<br>
>> in
<br>
>> >>> > > >> particular regions. It is about the delegate that gave us
<br>
>> >>> specific
<br>
>> >>> > > >> marching orders. Can we find out what THEY want?
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >> * In Liberty,*
<br>
>> >>> > > >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br>
>> >>> Syndrome
<br>
>> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br>
>> If
<br>
>> >>> > > >> anyone
<br>
>> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br>
>> >>> social
<br>
>> >>> > > >> faux
<br>
>> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
<br>
>> >>> know.
<br>
>> >>> > > >> *
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > > >>
<br>
>> >>> > >
<br>
>> >>> >
<br>
>> >>> --
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br>
>> anyone
<br>
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>> >>>
<br>
>> >> --
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > *In Liberty,*
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br>
>> faux
<br>
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>> >
<br>
>> > --
<br>
>>
<br>
>> *In Liberty,*
<br>
>>
<br>
>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br>
>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br>
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br>
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br>
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br>
>>
<br>
>
<br>
</p>
</blockquote></div><br></div></blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 1, 2020 12:33 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos <caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"> I do not agree with that wording. It does not answer for me the question that needs to be answered.<div><br /></div><div>And frankly it is too late. Imagine if we spent this time doing something productive.<br clear="all" /><div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="letter-spacing:0.2px"><div dir="ltr" style="font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;letter-spacing:normal"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"> </b></div><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 102 , 102 , 102 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large">In Liberty,</b><br /></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:small"><b style="color:rgb( 255 , 0 , 255 );font-family:'arial' , 'helvetica' , sans-serif;font-size:large"><i><img src="https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1DeRjq-L8dvRZabgEG94VkkUvjoHatcfP&export=download" width="200" height="41" /></i></b><br /></div><div><i style="font-size:small"><font size="1"><b> Personal Note: </b> I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux pas), please contact me privately and let me know. </font></i><br /></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div style="font-size:small"><div style="text-align:center"><br /></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br /></div></div><br /><div class="elided-text"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:05 AM <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>> wrote:<br /></div><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Oh for the love of god can we just do the poll.<div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Poll the delegates from Memorial day weekend. </div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">Ask them very simply:</div><div dir="auto">Would you vote to have an in person convention in Orlando July 8th thru 12th.</div><div dir="auto">Yes, No, Nota.</div><div dir="auto"><br /></div><div dir="auto">At this point it wont matter with the screwing around going on as we won't be able to meet in time to cancel even if they all vote to do so, but lets do the damn poll so we at least know how bad it is.<br /><br /><div dir="auto">John Phillips<br />Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative<br />Cell 217-412-5973</div></div></div><div><br /><div class="elided-text">On Jul 1, 2020 11:46 AM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <<a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" /><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb( 204 , 204 , 204 );padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Are you weighting the state chairs according to the number of delegates?
<br />
If not, it is not representative. Colorado has significantly more
<br />
delegates than other states. You cannot use the state chairs as
<br />
representing delegates without that calculation.
<br />
<br />
It is too late. I asked for this poll early yesterday. It is absolutely
<br />
unethical at this point to turn people's lives upside down when we have a
<br />
location.
<br />
<br />
I have not agreed with a lot of the criticisms of this body - there has
<br />
been shady business going on and we were dealt a bad hand. If we cancel
<br />
when we have a location over the will of delegates at convention, this body
<br />
has no business being anywhere near leadership. It is wrong, and it is
<br />
robbing people who spent money and a violation of the principle of the
<br />
non-initiation of force.
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
*In Liberty,*
<br />
<br />
* Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br />
(part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br />
communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br />
found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br />
pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 9:15 AM Richard Longstreth <<a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>>
<br />
wrote:
<br />
<br />
> I'm not good with wording polls but if someone is, I'd like to get this
<br />
> started sooner rather than later. I find wisdom in hearing from the
<br />
> delegates on this. My state chairs are, almost entirely, saying to not
<br />
> approve a third venue. Absent a poll of delegates, I intend to represent
<br />
> their opinion and trust that they are representing their delegates to me. I
<br />
> cannot poll everyone in the region myself at this point, let alone have
<br />
> contact info for all of the delegates for speedy communication.
<br />
>
<br />
> Richard Longstreth
<br />
> Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
<br />
> Libertarian National Committee
<br />
> <a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>
<br />
> 931.538.9300
<br />
>
<br />
> Sent from my Mobile Device
<br />
>
<br />
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 20:51 Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br />
> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br />
>
<br />
>> As far as wording that is not my call. But bad wording will kill the
<br />
>> entire usefulness.
<br />
>>
<br />
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:50 PM Caryn Ann Harlos <<a href="mailto:caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org">caryn.ann.harlos@lp.org</a>
<br />
>> >
<br />
>> wrote:
<br />
>>
<br />
>> > The poll should be only those credentialed at the Sunday session of the
<br />
>> > first part of the convention.
<br />
>> >
<br />
>> > They made a decision.
<br />
>> >
<br />
>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:54 PM Daniel Fishman <<a href="mailto:dan.fishman@lphq.org">dan.fishman@lphq.org</a>>
<br />
>> > wrote:
<br />
>> >
<br />
>> >> Would you like me to poll all current members? All delegates?
<br />
>> >>
<br />
>> >> What would you like the wording to be?
<br />
>> >> ---
<br />
>> >> Daniel Fishman
<br />
>> >> Executive Director
<br />
>> >> The Libertarian Party
<br />
>> >> Join Us <<a href="http://www.lp.org/join">http://www.lp.org/join</a>>
<br />
>> >>
<br />
>> >>
<br />
>> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 7:54 PM Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br />
>> >> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br />
>> >>
<br />
>> >>> Mr Hagan apologies if I was hasty though I do think in this rapidly
<br />
>> >>> changing situation we must be checking our emails hourly.
<br />
>> >>>
<br />
>> >>> My proposal is to poll only the delegates we are seeking to overturn.
<br />
>> >>> Those credentialed at the session that voted for the in person
<br />
>> >>> convention.
<br />
>> >>>
<br />
>> >>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:19 PM Richard Longstreth via Lnc-business <
<br />
>> >>> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br />
>> >>>
<br />
>> >>> > I am supportive.
<br />
>> >>> >
<br />
>> >>> > Richard Longstreth
<br />
>> >>> > Region 1 Representative (AK, AZ, CO, HI, KS, MT, NM, OR, UT, WA, WY)
<br />
>> >>> > Libertarian National Committee
<br />
>> >>> > <a href="mailto:richard.longstreth@lp.org">richard.longstreth@lp.org</a>
<br />
>> >>> > 931.538.9300
<br />
>> >>> >
<br />
>> >>> > Sent from my Mobile Device
<br />
>> >>> >
<br />
>> >>> > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 15:37 Tim Hagan via Lnc-business <
<br />
>> >>> > <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br />
>> >>> >
<br />
>> >>> > > You shouldn't interpret silence as disapproval. Some people aren't
<br />
>> >>> > > constantly checking their e-mails, could be working, or still
<br />
>> >>> processing
<br />
>> >>> > > this news thrown at us last night and have questions.
<br />
>> >>> > >
<br />
>> >>> > > I don't have a problem with taking a poll, unless if we're going
<br />
>> to
<br />
>> >>> > > waste time arguing over the wording or who gets polled (e.g. all
<br />
>> >>> > > delegates, delegates & alternates credentialed in May, etc.).
<br />
>> >>> > >
<br />
>> >>> > > ---
<br />
>> >>> > > Tim Hagan
<br />
>> >>> > > Treasurer, Libertarian National Committee
<br />
>> >>> > >
<br />
>> >>> > > On 2020-06-30 14:20, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business wrote:
<br />
>> >>> > > > A poll could have already gone out from the national office.
<br />
>> Yet
<br />
>> >>> > > > except
<br />
>> >>> > > > for you - silence on this post.
<br />
>> >>> > > >
<br />
>> >>> > > > That is wrong. Are we scared of what they might say? I
<br />
>> actually
<br />
>> >>> think
<br />
>> >>> > > > they might have changed their mind, but I need to know that for
<br />
>> >>> sure.
<br />
>> >>> > > >
<br />
>> >>> > > >
<br />
>> >>> > > >
<br />
>> >>> > > > * In Liberty,*
<br />
>> >>> > > > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br />
>> >>> Syndrome
<br />
>> >>> > > > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br />
>> >>> > > > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br />
>> >>> anyone
<br />
>> >>> > > > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br />
>> >>> social
<br />
>> >>> > > > faux
<br />
>> >>> > > > pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
<br />
>> >>> know.
<br />
>> >>> > > > *
<br />
>> >>> > > >
<br />
>> >>> > > >
<br />
>> >>> > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:05 PM <<a href="mailto:john.phillips@lp.org">john.phillips@lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br />
>> >>> > > >
<br />
>> >>> > > >> Agreed. I am informally polling my region, but that is just
<br />
>> one
<br />
>> >>> > > >> region.
<br />
>> >>> > > >>
<br />
>> >>> > > >> John Phillips
<br />
>> >>> > > >> Libertarian National Committee Region 6 Representative
<br />
>> >>> > > >> Cell 217-412-5973
<br />
>> >>> > > >>
<br />
>> >>> > > >> On Jun 30, 2020 1:26 PM, Caryn Ann Harlos via Lnc-business <
<br />
>> >>> > > >> <a href="mailto:lnc-business@hq.lp.org">lnc-business@hq.lp.org</a>> wrote:
<br />
>> >>> > > >>
<br />
>> >>> > > >> Here is something we all need to take seriously. The delegates
<br />
>> >>> voted
<br />
>> >>> > > >> for
<br />
>> >>> > > >> an in person convention. I don't really think we have the
<br />
>> right
<br />
>> >>> to
<br />
>> >>> > > >> cancel
<br />
>> >>> > > >> if we have a location which we do. It is usurping their
<br />
>> decision.
<br />
>> >>> > > >> But
<br />
>> >>> > > >> they may think differently now. Can we poll them so we know
<br />
>> what
<br />
>> >>> we
<br />
>> >>> > > >> should
<br />
>> >>> > > >> do? This isn't about us. It is about particular state chairs
<br />
>> in
<br />
>> >>> > > >> particular regions. It is about the delegate that gave us
<br />
>> >>> specific
<br />
>> >>> > > >> marching orders. Can we find out what THEY want?
<br />
>> >>> > > >>
<br />
>> >>> > > >> * In Liberty,*
<br />
>> >>> > > >> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's
<br />
>> >>> Syndrome
<br />
>> >>> > > >> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br />
>> >>> > > >> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas.
<br />
>> If
<br />
>> >>> > > >> anyone
<br />
>> >>> > > >> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other
<br />
>> >>> social
<br />
>> >>> > > >> faux
<br />
>> >>> > > >> pas) in an actual email, please contact me privately and let me
<br />
>> >>> know.
<br />
>> >>> > > >> *
<br />
>> >>> > > >>
<br />
>> >>> > > >>
<br />
>> >>> > > >>
<br />
>> >>> > >
<br />
>> >>> >
<br />
>> >>> --
<br />
>> >>>
<br />
>> >>> *In Liberty,*
<br />
>> >>>
<br />
>> >>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br />
>> >>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br />
>> >>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If
<br />
>> anyone
<br />
>> >>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br />
>> faux
<br />
>> >>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br />
>> >>>
<br />
>> >> --
<br />
>> >
<br />
>> > *In Liberty,*
<br />
>> >
<br />
>> > * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br />
>> > (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br />
>> > communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br />
>> > found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social
<br />
>> faux
<br />
>> > pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br />
>> >
<br />
>> > --
<br />
>>
<br />
>> *In Liberty,*
<br />
>>
<br />
>> * Personal Note: I have what is commonly known as Asperger's Syndrome
<br />
>> (part of the autism spectrum). This can affect inter-personal
<br />
>> communication skills in both personal and electronic arenas. If anyone
<br />
>> found anything offensive or overly off-putting (or some other social faux
<br />
>> pas), please contact me privately and let me know. *
<br />
>>
<br />
>
<br />
</p>
</blockquote></div><br /></div></blockquote></div>
</blockquote></div><br></div>