[Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building fund (letter to donors)
Geoffrey Neale
liber8or at austin.rr.com
Sat Jun 22 08:55:44 EDT 2013
Starchild: in order for the Secretary to send out an official mail ballot,
they must NOT change the wording of the motion as submitted. Since your
motion is significantly distant from an acceptable motion, I am actually
helping you here.
I could have waited until you had co-sponsors and THEN ruled it out of
order, but I did not. I'm giving you the opportunity to correct it BEFORE
you get your co-sponsors.
For the record, your motion should be something like:
Moved: that if the Libertarian Party purchases the office space at 1101 King
Street #160, in Alexandria, Virginia, which the Executive Committee voted to
authorize the Building Committee to enter into negotiations concerning, or
any other office space not comprising an entire building, the committee in
charge of the building fund shall send all donors to this fund, by email or
printed letter, a written explanation and apology for using the funds to buy
a part of a building, rather than an entire building as was repeatedly
described in fundraising letters seeking donations for the project. This
letter shall ask each donor to send an email to LP secretary and building
fund point man David Blau (secretary at lp.org), stating the donor's preference
that his or her donation be (a) spent on office space in a building
purchased under the authorization of the LNC in lieu of actually buying a
building, (b) refunded, in which case a full refund shall be issued to that
donor as soon as reasonably possible, or (c) put toward another Libertarian
Party budget item of the donor's choice, which should be specified in the
donor's email to the secretary; and inform them that if they have any
further questions or concerns about the project to purchase a new office or
how their donation is being handled they are welcome to contact one of their
LNC representatives (listed at http://www.lp.org/lnc-leadership).
Geoffrey Neale
-----Original Message-----
From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
Starchild
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:32 AM
To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building
fund (letter to donors)
Geoff,
I just resent the motion, as revised, without any accompanying
arguments. However even if your ruling is no longer material in this case, I
do request you withdraw it for the record to avoid setting any incorrect
precedent if it is not withdrawn or challenged, since I believe the ruling
to be based on an incorrect reading of the bylaws as I described below.
Love & Liberty,
((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative,
Libertarian National Committee
P.S. - Since this message is a request for a withdrawal of a ruling, I am
posting it here in the belief that it falls under "business" to be discussed
on the LNC-business list.
On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
> Starchild - I believe I am the Chair, and you are not, and I have
> given the same kind of notice to others, although not necessarily on this
list.
>
> I suggest you take the effort to cut & paste the motion only portion,
> and argue for it separately, unless you want to take the ten day
> effort to challenge my ruling via another mail ballot.
>
> Geoffrey Neale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
> Of Starchild
> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:16 AM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on
> building fund (letter to donors)
>
> Geoff,
>
> I believe "electronic mail ballots" refers to just the official
email
> sent out by the secretary that gives notice a vote is underway, since
> until a motion is sponsored by enough LNC members to be voted on, it
> is not a "ballot".
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild ))) At-Large
> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
>
>> Starchild:
>>
>> Under my authority as Chair, I am ruling that your "motion" is out of
> order.
>>
>> LP Policy Manual states: "Electronic mail ballots shall not include
>> an accompanying argument for or against passage of the motion."
>>
>> Geoffrey Neale
>> Chair
>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
>> Of Starchild
>> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:50 AM
>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> Subject: [Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building
>> fund (letter to donors)
>>
>> (NOTE: The automated email didn't accept this message the first time
>> I tried sending it, so rather than let it sit in an electronic cue I
>> cancelled the posting and have recopied it here. - Starchild)
>>
>> * * *
>>
>> From: Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> Date: June 22, 2013 3:31:00 AM PDT
>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> Cc: LPSF Discussion List <lpsf-discuss at yahoogroups.com>, Grassroots
>> Libertarians Caucus <GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>, LP
>> Radical Caucus <lpradicals at yahoogroups.com>, calibs
>> <CALibs at yahoogroups.com>, San Diego LP Chat List
>> <sdlibchat at listserv.sdlp.org>, Jill Pyeatt <stone at altrionet.com>,
>> Krzysztof Lesiak <clesiak522 at gmail.com>, Libertarians for 9/11 Truth
>> <Libertariansfor911Truth at yahoogroups.com>, "Outright
>> Libertarian-Natl." <OutrightLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>,
>> Libertarians For Animal Rights
>> <libertarians_for_animal_rights at yahoogroups.com>,
>> lpusmisc at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [CALibs] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building fund
>> (letter to donors)
>> Reply-To: CALibs at yahoogroups.com
>>
>> As I noted in a June 19 message to the Libertarian National
>> Committee's LNC-discuss list,
>>
>>> . We promised donors to the project [to purchase a new LP national
>> headquarters building] that their money would be spent to buy a
>> *building*, which would be named the "David F. Nolan Memorial
>> Building" -- not just office space in a building. I've seen nothing
>> in this proposal to indicate that we would even have naming rights to
>> the building as a whole... we need to act with integrity and fulfill
>> the promises we make to people when we ask them to give us their money.
>> People are already calling this a "bait-and-switch", and they have a
>> valid point. If we go forward with this, it will undermine the
>> confidence
> of donors and supporters in the party.
>>
>> Having seen no messages disagreeing with that assessment, I hope all
>
>> of you will join me in supporting the following motion:
>>
>> MOTION:
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> ~ ~~~~~~ Whereas it is important that the Libertarian Party act with
>> integrity and fulfill any promises made in fundraising appeals to
>> donors concerning how their donations will be spent, and
>>
>> Whereas donors have a right to expect this of the Libertarian Party
>> when making donations to the party, and
>>
>> Whereas LP secretary David Blau as head of the building fund has
>> acknowledged the "mistake" of having been "a bit lax informing the
>> donors that we were investigating an office condo, rather than a full
>> building", and
>>
>> Whereas fundraising appeals for the project to purchase a new LP
>> headquarters building repeatedly referred to purchasing a building,
>> rather than only purchasing space in a building, examples of which
>> language can be seen in the fundraising letter published at
>> http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/04/libertarian-party-p
>> u t-your -name-on-the-david-nolan-memorial-building/;
>>
>> Therefore if the Libertarian Party purchases the office space at 1101
>> King Street #160, in Alexandria, Virginia, which the Executive
>> Committee voted to authorize the Building Committee to enter into
>> negotiations concerning, or any other office space not comprising an
>> entire building, the committee in charge of the building fund shall
>> send all donors to this fund, by email or printed letter, a written
>> explanation and apology for using the funds to buy a part of a
>> building, rather than an entire building as was repeatedly described
>> in fundraising letters seeking donations for the project. This letter
>> shall ask each donor to send an email to LP secretary and building
>> fund point man David Blau (secretary at lp.org), stating the donor's
>> preference that his or her donation be (a) spent on office space in a
>> building purchased under the authorization of the LNC in lieu of
>> actually buying a building, (b) refunded, in which case a full refund
>> shall be issued to that donor as soon as reasonably possible, or (c)
>> put toward another Libertarian Party budget item of the donor's
>> choice, which should be specified in the donor's email to the
>> secretary; and inform them that if they have any further questions or
>> concerns about the project to purchase a new office or how their
>> donation
> is being handled they are welcome to contact one of their LNC
> representatives (listed at http://www.lp.org/lnc-leadership).
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> ~
>> ~~~~~~
>>
>> I am seeking co-sponsors for this motion, and urge all my fellow
>> representatives and alternates on the Libertarian National Committee
>> to reply to this email as co-sponsors. Let us not dishonor David
>> Nolan's memory by giving even the appearance of raising under false
>> pretenses money to be used toward purchasing a space to be dedicated
>> to
> him.
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild ))) At-Large
>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>
>> P.S. - If anyone not on the Libertarian National Committee receiving
>> this message has thoughts on this matter that you would like me to
>> share with the LNC, please let me know. I hope you will encourage
>> them to support this motion.
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