[Lnc-business] CORRECTION Re: MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building fund (letter to donors)
Starchild
sfdreamer at earthlink.net
Sat Jun 22 08:34:13 EDT 2013
Excuse me, I meant the LNC Policy Manual, not the Bylaws.
((( starchild )))
On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:32 AM, Starchild wrote:
> Geoff,
>
> I just resent the motion, as revised, without any accompanying arguments. However even if your ruling is no longer material in this case, I do request you withdraw it for the record to avoid setting any incorrect precedent if it is not withdrawn or challenged, since I believe the ruling to be based on an incorrect reading of the bylaws as I described below.
>
> Love & Liberty,
> ((( starchild )))
> At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>
> P.S. - Since this message is a request for a withdrawal of a ruling, I am posting it here in the belief that it falls under "business" to be discussed on the LNC-business list.
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
>
>> Starchild - I believe I am the Chair, and you are not, and I have given the
>> same kind of notice to others, although not necessarily on this list.
>>
>> I suggest you take the effort to cut & paste the motion only portion, and
>> argue for it separately, unless you want to take the ten day effort to
>> challenge my ruling via another mail ballot.
>>
>> Geoffrey Neale
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
>> Starchild
>> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:16 AM
>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building
>> fund (letter to donors)
>>
>> Geoff,
>>
>> I believe "electronic mail ballots" refers to just the official
>> email sent out by the secretary that gives notice a vote is underway, since
>> until a motion is sponsored by enough LNC members to be voted on, it is not
>> a "ballot".
>>
>> Love & Liberty,
>> ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative,
>> Libertarian National Committee
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
>>
>>> Starchild:
>>>
>>> Under my authority as Chair, I am ruling that your "motion" is out of
>> order.
>>>
>>> LP Policy Manual states: "Electronic mail ballots shall not include an
>>> accompanying argument for or against passage of the motion."
>>>
>>> Geoffrey Neale
>>> Chair
>>> Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Starchild
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:50 AM
>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> Subject: [Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building
>>> fund (letter to donors)
>>>
>>> (NOTE: The automated email didn't accept this message the first time I
>>> tried sending it, so rather than let it sit in an electronic cue I
>>> cancelled the posting and have recopied it here. - Starchild)
>>>
>>> * * *
>>>
>>> From: Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>>> Date: June 22, 2013 3:31:00 AM PDT
>>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>>> Cc: LPSF Discussion List <lpsf-discuss at yahoogroups.com>, Grassroots
>>> Libertarians Caucus <GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>, LP
>>> Radical Caucus <lpradicals at yahoogroups.com>, calibs
>>> <CALibs at yahoogroups.com>, San Diego LP Chat List
>>> <sdlibchat at listserv.sdlp.org>, Jill Pyeatt <stone at altrionet.com>,
>>> Krzysztof Lesiak <clesiak522 at gmail.com>, Libertarians for 9/11 Truth
>>> <Libertariansfor911Truth at yahoogroups.com>, "Outright
>>> Libertarian-Natl." <OutrightLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>,
>>> Libertarians For Animal Rights
>>> <libertarians_for_animal_rights at yahoogroups.com>,
>>> lpusmisc at yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: [CALibs] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building fund
>>> (letter to donors)
>>> Reply-To: CALibs at yahoogroups.com
>>>
>>> As I noted in a June 19 message to the Libertarian National
>>> Committee's LNC-discuss list,
>>>
>>>> . We promised donors to the project [to purchase a new LP national
>>> headquarters building] that their money would be spent to buy a
>>> *building*, which would be named the "David F. Nolan Memorial
>>> Building" -- not just office space in a building. I've seen nothing in
>>> this proposal to indicate that we would even have naming rights to the
>>> building as a whole... we need to act with integrity and fulfill the
>>> promises we make to people when we ask them to give us their money.
>>> People are already calling this a "bait-and-switch", and they have a
>>> valid point. If we go forward with this, it will undermine the confidence
>> of donors and supporters in the party.
>>>
>>> Having seen no messages disagreeing with that assessment, I hope all
>>
>>> of you will join me in supporting the following motion:
>>>
>>> MOTION:
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> ~~~~~~ Whereas it is important that the Libertarian Party act with
>>> integrity and fulfill any promises made in fundraising appeals to
>>> donors concerning how their donations will be spent, and
>>>
>>> Whereas donors have a right to expect this of the Libertarian Party
>>> when making donations to the party, and
>>>
>>> Whereas LP secretary David Blau as head of the building fund has
>>> acknowledged the "mistake" of having been "a bit lax informing the
>>> donors that we were investigating an office condo, rather than a full
>>> building", and
>>>
>>> Whereas fundraising appeals for the project to purchase a new LP
>>> headquarters building repeatedly referred to purchasing a building,
>>> rather than only purchasing space in a building, examples of which
>>> language can be seen in the fundraising letter published at
>>> http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/04/libertarian-party-pu
>>> t-your -name-on-the-david-nolan-memorial-building/;
>>>
>>> Therefore if the Libertarian Party purchases the office space at 1101
>>> King Street #160, in Alexandria, Virginia, which the Executive
>>> Committee voted to authorize the Building Committee to enter into
>>> negotiations concerning, or any other office space not comprising an
>>> entire building, the committee in charge of the building fund shall
>>> send all donors to this fund, by email or printed letter, a written
>>> explanation and apology for using the funds to buy a part of a
>>> building, rather than an entire building as was repeatedly described
>>> in fundraising letters seeking donations for the project. This letter
>>> shall ask each donor to send an email to LP secretary and building
>>> fund point man David Blau (secretary at lp.org), stating the donor's
>>> preference that his or her donation be (a) spent on office space in a
>>> building purchased under the authorization of the LNC in lieu of
>>> actually buying a building, (b) refunded, in which case a full refund
>>> shall be issued to that donor as soon as reasonably possible, or (c)
>>> put toward another Libertarian Party budget item of the donor's
>>> choice, which should be specified in the donor's email to the
>>> secretary; and inform them that if they have any further questions or
>>> concerns about the project to purchase a new office or how their donation
>> is being handled they are welcome to contact one of their LNC
>> representatives (listed at http://www.lp.org/lnc-leadership).
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> ~~~~~~
>>>
>>> I am seeking co-sponsors for this motion, and urge all my fellow
>>> representatives and alternates on the Libertarian National Committee
>>> to reply to this email as co-sponsors. Let us not dishonor David
>>> Nolan's memory by giving even the appearance of raising under false
>>> pretenses money to be used toward purchasing a space to be dedicated to
>> him.
>>>
>>> Love & Liberty,
>>> ((( starchild ))) At-Large
>>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>>>
>>>
>>> P.S. - If anyone not on the Libertarian National Committee receiving
>>> this message has thoughts on this matter that you would like me to
>>> share with the LNC, please let me know. I hope you will encourage them
>>> to support this motion.
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