[Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building fund (letter to donors)

Starchild sfdreamer at earthlink.net
Sat Jun 22 08:32:02 EDT 2013


Geoff,

	I just resent the motion, as revised, without any accompanying arguments. However even if your ruling is no longer material in this case, I do request you withdraw it for the record to avoid setting any incorrect precedent if it is not withdrawn or challenged, since I believe the ruling to be based on an incorrect reading of the bylaws as I described below.

Love & Liberty,
                                ((( starchild )))
At-Large Representative, Libertarian National Committee

P.S. - Since this message is a request for a withdrawal of a ruling, I am posting it here in the belief that it falls under "business" to be discussed on the LNC-business list.


On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:24 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:

> Starchild - I believe I am the Chair, and you are not, and I have given the
> same kind of notice to others, although not necessarily on this list.
> 
> I suggest you take the effort to cut & paste the motion only portion, and
> argue for it separately, unless you want to take the ten day effort to
> challenge my ruling via another mail ballot.
> 
> Geoffrey Neale
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf Of
> Starchild
> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 7:16 AM
> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
> Subject: Re: [Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building
> fund (letter to donors)
> 
> Geoff,
> 
> 	I believe "electronic mail ballots" refers to just the official
> email sent out by the secretary that gives notice a vote is underway, since
> until a motion is sponsored by enough LNC members to be voted on, it is not
> a "ballot".
> 
> Love & Liberty,
>                                 ((( starchild ))) At-Large Representative,
> Libertarian National Committee
> 
> 
> On Jun 22, 2013, at 5:03 AM, Geoffrey Neale wrote:
> 
>> Starchild:
>> 
>> Under my authority as Chair, I am ruling that your "motion" is out of
> order.
>> 
>> LP Policy Manual states: "Electronic mail ballots shall not include an 
>> accompanying argument for or against passage of the motion."
>> 
>> Geoffrey Neale
>> Chair
>> Libertarian National Committee
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lnc-business [mailto:lnc-business-bounces at hq.lp.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Starchild
>> Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 5:50 AM
>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> Subject: [Lnc-business] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building 
>> fund (letter to donors)
>> 
>> (NOTE: The automated email didn't accept this message the first time I 
>> tried sending it, so rather than let it sit in an electronic cue I 
>> cancelled the posting and have recopied it here. - Starchild)
>> 
>> *     *     *
>> 
>> From: Starchild <sfdreamer at earthlink.net>
>> Date: June 22, 2013 3:31:00 AM PDT
>> To: lnc-business at hq.lp.org
>> Cc: LPSF Discussion List <lpsf-discuss at yahoogroups.com>, Grassroots 
>> Libertarians Caucus <GrassrootsLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>, LP 
>> Radical Caucus <lpradicals at yahoogroups.com>, calibs 
>> <CALibs at yahoogroups.com>, San Diego LP Chat List 
>> <sdlibchat at listserv.sdlp.org>, Jill Pyeatt <stone at altrionet.com>, 
>> Krzysztof Lesiak <clesiak522 at gmail.com>, Libertarians for 9/11 Truth 
>> <Libertariansfor911Truth at yahoogroups.com>, "Outright 
>> Libertarian-Natl." <OutrightLibertarians at yahoogroups.com>, 
>> Libertarians For Animal Rights 
>> <libertarians_for_animal_rights at yahoogroups.com>,
>> lpusmisc at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [CALibs] MOTION - Re: Truth in advertising on building fund 
>> (letter to donors)
>> Reply-To: CALibs at yahoogroups.com
>> 
>> 	As I noted in a June 19 message to the Libertarian National 
>> Committee's LNC-discuss list,
>> 
>>> . We promised donors to the project [to purchase a new LP national
>> headquarters building] that their money would be spent to buy a 
>> *building*, which would be named the "David F. Nolan Memorial 
>> Building" -- not just office space in a building. I've seen nothing in 
>> this proposal to indicate that we would even have naming rights to the 
>> building as a whole...  we need to act with integrity and fulfill the 
>> promises we make to people when we ask them to give us their money. 
>> People are already calling this a "bait-and-switch", and they have a 
>> valid point. If we go forward with this, it will undermine the confidence
> of donors and supporters in the party.
>> 
>> 	Having seen no messages disagreeing with that assessment, I hope all
> 
>> of you will join me in supporting the following motion:
>> 
>> MOTION:
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> ~~~~~~ Whereas it is important that the Libertarian Party act with 
>> integrity and fulfill any promises made in fundraising appeals to 
>> donors concerning how their donations will be spent, and
>> 
>> Whereas donors have a right to expect this of the Libertarian Party 
>> when making donations to the party, and
>> 
>> Whereas LP secretary David Blau as head of the building fund has 
>> acknowledged the "mistake" of having been "a bit lax informing the 
>> donors that we were investigating an office condo, rather than a full 
>> building", and
>> 
>> Whereas fundraising appeals for the project to purchase a new LP 
>> headquarters building repeatedly referred to purchasing a building, 
>> rather than only purchasing space in a building, examples of which 
>> language can be seen in the fundraising letter published at 
>> http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2013/04/libertarian-party-pu
>> t-your -name-on-the-david-nolan-memorial-building/;
>> 
>> Therefore if the Libertarian Party purchases the office space at 1101 
>> King Street #160, in Alexandria, Virginia, which the Executive 
>> Committee voted to authorize the Building Committee to enter into 
>> negotiations concerning, or any other office space not comprising an 
>> entire building, the committee in charge of the building fund shall 
>> send all donors to this fund, by email or printed letter, a written 
>> explanation and apology for using the funds to buy a part of a 
>> building, rather than an entire building as was repeatedly described 
>> in fundraising letters seeking donations for the project. This letter 
>> shall ask each donor to send an email to LP secretary and building 
>> fund point man David Blau (secretary at lp.org), stating the donor's 
>> preference that his or her donation be (a) spent on office space in a 
>> building purchased under the authorization of the LNC in lieu of 
>> actually buying a building, (b) refunded, in which case a full refund 
>> shall be issued to that donor as soon as reasonably possible, or (c) 
>> put toward another Libertarian Party budget item of the donor's 
>> choice, which should be specified in the donor's email to the 
>> secretary; and inform them that if they have any further questions or 
>> concerns about the project to purchase a new office or how their donation
> is being handled they are welcome to contact one of their LNC
> representatives (listed at http://www.lp.org/lnc-leadership).
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> ~~~~~~
>> 
>> 	I am seeking co-sponsors for this motion, and urge all my fellow 
>> representatives and alternates on the Libertarian National Committee 
>> to reply to this email as co-sponsors. Let us not dishonor David 
>> Nolan's memory by giving even the appearance of raising under false 
>> pretenses money to be used toward purchasing a space to be dedicated to
> him.
>> 
>> Love & Liberty,
>>                                 ((( starchild ))) At-Large 
>> Representative, Libertarian National Committee
>> 
>> 
>> P.S. - If anyone not on the Libertarian National Committee receiving 
>> this message has thoughts on this matter that you would like me to 
>> share with the LNC, please let me know. I hope you will encourage them 
>> to support this motion.
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